If roles were reversed, you would not be able to find one Republican voter, politician saying this.

[shockey80]

Don't impeach because there are not enough votes to convict. They would be losing their minds, screaming impeachment every fucking day. They would have shut down the government long ago.

[SFnomad]

1. Just because Republicans would do it in a heartbeat is not good enough of

a reason for us to do it anyways. I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm just saying you need to have a better reason than because "Republicans would".

[33taw]

2. I think we need more info before proceeding with impeachment.

My guess is that there are a lot more crimes waiting to be exposed. I’d like a full arsenal before moving forward.

[SFnomad]

3. +1 ... At a minimum, wait until the Mueller investigation has wrapped up n/t

[maxsolomon]

9. They will.

Nancy Pelosi won't let them be foolhardy.

[flyingfysh]

4. People should remember what happened during the Nixon era

When investigations uncovered enough outrages, public opinion forced Congress to act. Congresspeople were getting bombarded by public messages. I expect the same thing could happen now. So it is too early to count Senate votes yet; wait until Mueller comes out with more.

[ecstatic]

5. Exactly. The GOP crafts their talking points first then they try to drive

public opinion towards their stance. Whereas we try to discern public opinion before taking action (the same public opinion that rethugs spend their arsenal on shaping). We could do the same exact thing, but we don't.

[Scubamatt]

12. Can't Agree More

The Thugs learned a long time ago how to SHAPE public opinion by screaming, ranting, framing, etc. I don’t like having to admit it, but it works with the majority of the population. We can’t keep assuming that if we just lay out the facts, the people will come around. If that was the case, we wouldn’t have had the past 40 years of Republican domination (except for those two brief years under Obama). The people need to be lead, and in our society, sad to say, intelligent, cogent rationale thought and debate rarely gets an audience, much less wins. If we start talking about how 45 is a traitor and needs to be impeached, we stand a much better chance of actually making it happen, as opposed to sitting cautiously in the wings and waiting passively for some flaccid conscensus to emerge.

[ecstatic]

13. +infinity. lol. nt

[Jake Stern]

6. Bill Clinton's popularity skyrocketed during impeachment and Republicans ended up looking petty.

IIRC the GOP came perilously close to losing Congress over that stunt which is why they (wisely) decided to ignore calls to impeach Obama that started pretty much the moment they took the House in 2010.

The problem isn't what OUR side or even THEIR side feels about impeachment. It's those suburban moderate and conservative leaning Independents who could end up viewing this as a political act of vengeance and punish us by going back to the Trump camp .

These are the folks that helped swing the midterms in our favor and we simply can't afford to alienate them.

Let Mueller and Company do their thing, gather the evidence and then look at whether it is politically possible to begin the impeachment process.

[mikeysnot]

8. Bill Clinton was being impeached for not

exactly being forthcoming about a mutual tryst with a young intern.

Not for crimes or criminal behavior.

trump is a criminal con man and a fraud.

[radical noodle]

7. The investigations need to play out

to dig up every bit of dirty laundry in the trump family. I would love to see them stripped of every penny they have or pretend to have.

[gratuitous]

10. That's why this time is so crucial

We need to be seeding the ground with the notion of impeachment and removal from office. We need to rally public opinion with affirmative statements, instead of just depending on people to keep up with the news and figure it out for themselves. In this case, watch what the Republicans do, and do that. Liberals tend to think and act as if stating an obvious truth once should be sufficient and all the bright, educated, thinking people will get on board. That's nice, but we really need a majority of citizens on board, and the folks who are tuned in are NOT the majority.

So we need to fight against our own nature and talk up impeachment, high crimes, misdemeanors, and removal from office at every opportunity. Do we really want to depend on the chucktodds in the media to spell it out for their audiences?

[Nitram]

11. Yeah. And they voted for Trump. See? They have already lost their minds. We haven't.

We are the only adults in the room now.