Republican Fears Grow That Trump Is Leading Them To Doom In 2020

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

NBC News’s Geoff Bennett reported, “I can tell you there’s a growing fear. Certainly growing anxiety among trump allies and Republicans that the white house is in no way prepared for the legal and political danger and drama that awaits and that the fall out could damage the party’s prospects in 2020. Why is that? You’ve got Democrats seizing control of Congress in three weeks time with subpoena power. There’s turmoil in the global financial market from the Trump trade war. You have the Russia investigation picking up speed, and you’ve got those new court filings out Friday implicating President Trump in a felony.”

To read more:

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/12/09/republican-fears-grow-that-trump-is-leading-them-to-doom-in-2020.html

Trump was seen by GOP leaders as a useful tool. Now, after the Nov 2018 results, he is revealed as more of an anchor.

[HAB911]

1. Slow learners

[ailsagirl]

22. I was going to say... they're just realizing this??

[Kahuna7]

29. Yep. nt

[Adrahil]

2. As far as I can see, they are still in the tank for him.

If they were smart, they would dump him now, and still stand a chance to rehabilitate their image by 2020.

But I think they are convinced the MAGAts would rebel, and they'd all be thrown out.

They had their chance, I think, and they are stuck riding this horse.

[guillaumeb]

3. A horse that 38% of the voters still support.

They deserved their 2018 losses, and one hopes that 2020 will be even worse for the GOP.

[Adrahil]

9. Yup.... they are in trouble.

But they are stuck.... if they don;t get those 40% of the voters to the polls voting for them, they are doomed anyway.

Though I think if they don't drop Trump, they are looking at generational damage, rather than one or two cycles.

[yardwork]

40. The MAGATs are the same low-info voters the Republicans always count on.

You're right that the GOP can't afford to lose those voters, because those voters are the party's essential margin. There aren't enough greedy rich people who vote Republican purely out of self-interest. The Republicans need the low-info folks they've riled up to vote for them because of abortion, God, guns and gays.

The trouble is that the Republicans messed up the low-info pool. Those people now support Trump with the fervent zealotry of a million suns.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. If The Economy Stalls. . .

. . .that number will fall to the rabid base, alone.

There are still people who are saying "it's ok" because their job, 401k, and adjustable mortgage aren't in jeopardy.

If something happens to change that, the "it's ok for now" crowd is going to be raising holy hell.

[guillaumeb]

24. Agreed. eom

[volstork]

27. Don't you mean

"when the economy stalls?" Looks like we are about 2 weeks away from that...

[NCjack]

37. And thereafter: For whom does the economy toll? If tolls for Donald. nt

[Blue_true]

17. His hard support is only around 20%, mostly hyper religious types and racists.

That other 18-20% can be taken from him as long as we can do it without compromising our values.

[Eyeball_Kid]

10. They seem to be frightened, still, of Trumpy's vengeful streak. No one wants to tell him to fuck off

I don't know why by now. They all know that Trumpy will be indicted for dozens of felonies.

What would stop them from leaving Trumpy? Complicity in his crimes. That's about it. He's very weak. He's unstable. He knows nothing about governing, but everything about creating drama. GOPers must be afraid of getting indicted themselves for taking Russian money, so they are dragging their collective feet for as long as possible, hoping (or planning?) that something will get in the way.

[True Blue American]

60. The News

About butina is just coming out. It involves other people being compromised, members of Congress.

We already know McConnell and Ryan covered up Russian influence during the election when President Obama notified them of Russian interference. Trump gave Elaine Chao a job in the Administration. Ryan got out of Dodge!

[uponit7771]

44. +1

[Iliyah]

4. Fuck them . . . . .

[guillaumeb]

6. I would rather not.

Following Trump's own example, perhaps they could hire people for that task.

[Blue_true]

18. Yeah, that would be gross. For that to be good you have to at least minimally like the person. nt

[Yavin4]

5. Republicans are "ride or die" for Trump.

Like the wife who knew all along that hubby was a serious drug dealer. Can't claim innocence.

[guillaumeb]

7. Agreed.

A declared Nazi won over 56,000 votes for Congress in Illinois.

They are ignorant, and racist, not innocent.

[dalton99a]

8. They begged him to run as a Republican. They nominated him to be president - without tax returns

Fuck the traitors

[guillaumeb]

11. They did.

And he was a very weak candidate in a field of weak candidates.

[NBachers]

12. "Doom" is a word I love to see applied to republicans.

[chowder66]

13. They've been dooming themselves for a long time. Trump has just accelerated it. nt

[Blue Owl]

15. They haven't learned that everything Donald touches...

...turns to shit...

Too bad -- womp womp...

[Garrett78]

16. They can suffer short-term losses or alienate the base. I think they'll choose the former.

Republicans still have a good chance of keeping the Senate, but the White House is likely a goner.

And we'll maintain our House majority.

Republicans can start their comeback in 2022 with demagogues who aren't as overt as Trump. In other words, they'll go back to being the party that made Trump possible in the first place. We will need to be on guard against Trump 2.0, a more intelligent, articulate and charismatic demagogue.

[guillaumeb]

28. A nice ending observation.

The GOP knows how to make their Party sound good, but their agenda is toxic for most.

[jmowreader]

42. Stop, Garrett. You seem not to realize how Republicans work

For some strange reason the GOP really believes any losses they incur are because they're not extreme enough. If Trump takes them down in 2020, they'll be back in 2024 with Shirley Phelps-Roper...who they will believe will draw the liberal vote because she's a woman. (And, naturally, our campaign tactic of showing photos of Shirley standing in front of a military funeral holding a "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" sign will be seen as divisive.)

[Garrett78]

50. I think you need to re-read my post.

I didn't say anything about the Republican Party changing its ways. In fact, I said the opposite.

[peggysue2]

19. Boo-Hoo

They chose the orange-feathered albatross. Now they have to swim of sink with Trumpski tied securely around their necks. All for the WIN without a thought to national security or the injected poison to the body politic. He was incompetent and a liar when they had the first dance. They brung him; they can fail with him.

My attitude?

[Bluepinky]

35. Yes. If you lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleas.

(Not that Trump is a dog, that’s an insult to all dogs).
The Repubs sold their souls to the ugly orange man, they deserve whatever they get. And I hope it’s really bad.

[peggysue2]

45. LOL!!

(Not that Trump is a dog, that’s an insult to all dogs).

Certainly is. Trumpski wouldn't know loyalty if he fell over it. And the GOP willingly went along with this creature. Anything to win. Anything.

Plus, I'm sure the money incentives were big.

[Ford_Prefect]

20. When the Federal Marshals are at the White House door with cuffs and warrants

what are they gonna do then? Bear in mind that a least a few leading GOP senators and congress folk are going to be under investigation or convicted by that point.

This is to say nothing of people like Zinke and other cabinet members and staff who will likely be in the dock or on their way there.

[Mr.Bill]

21. The question I have is

when the Democratic House of Representatives issue all these subpoenas and the Trump administration refuses to comply with them, what happens then?

[guillaumeb]

30. Given how insistant the GOP has been in their own use of the subpoena,

one hopes that the Courts will apply the law equally.

[Mr.Bill]

53. And who will enforce this law?

Who will physically enter their offices and take the documents, hard drives, etc. that are being subpoenaed? And what if these items are not here or have been destroyed? What then?

[guillaumeb]

59. I remember the 18 minute tape gap in the Nixon Presidency.

And I would not underestimate the possibility that people, including staffers and professional people, might leak things in their own defense.

[duforsure]

23. Doom?

More likely to prison.

[world wide wally]

25. They are kind of stuck with him now. Aren't they

[JDC]

26. As usual, their only feelings of obligation and duty is to themselves.

Self Preservation and power. "The country? Who gives a shit....." said Every Republican Politician Ever.

[essaynnc]

31. All we really need to do is....

To make sure that they are forever banished from American politics is:

1. Secure the vote. Dems outnumber Reps, if votes are counted.
2. Get rid of Gerrymandering.... guarantees the house.
3. Figure out how to turn the tide in the rural states, gives us the senate.
4. Get out to vote !!! Seals their fate.

We need a long term plan to accomplish these 4 things.

Simple, right?? I didn't say Easy!!

[guillaumeb]

32. In my view, #s 1 and 4 are linked, and the key.

The GOP loses when there is high turnout, which explains why they do everything that they can to depress the turnout.

I would add one point to your excellent prescription, and #5 would be:
make election day a national holiday.

Many have suggested this.

PS
Welcome to DU.

[crazycatlady]

33. Yes and they'll lose 1 if not 2 generations too

[BeyondGeography]

34. Nah

Stick with him, guys. All the way.

[guillaumeb]

36. Shovel the coal into the boilers of the SS Trumptanic?

Talk of the iceberg is fake news!!

[BeyondGeography]

47. This is no time to go wobbly!

[Turbineguy]

38. No worries.

He's leading the rest of us to doom too.

[guillaumeb]

39. There is that as well.

But given Trump's raging anger about the Mueller investigation, one can hope that Trump realizes that reality is trumping his lies.

[DeminPennswoods]

41. The real threat actually might be

Mariia Butina if she pleads guilty and cooperates with US prosecutors. She could tie a lot more Rs than just Trump into Russian influence peddling and campaign contributions that were laundered through the NRA.

[guillaumeb]

43. And those ties could also lead to more prominent GOP politicians.

We can hope.

[FakeNoose]

48. She can sink the NRA, for sure

But they're probably going down anyway without her. I have to think that Maria Butina was briefed on how to behave if she ever got caught, before she ever left Russia. I believe she'll stay mum on everything, just because.

[kentuck]

46. 21 Republican Senators are up for reelection in 2020...

Their support for Trump should be of paramount importance.

[Garrett78]

57. Most won't have any trouble getting re-elected, sadly.

Netting 4 seats is a tall order.

[trusty elf]

49. good riddance

[PatrickforO]

51. LOL...on that last sentence, I'd change 'anchor' to 'millstone,' as in

a giant orange millstone hanging around the neck of the GOP.

[no_hypocrisy]

52. Their choice

[sarcasmo]

54. Donnie Doom

[ThoughtCriminal]

55. The real anxiety

America finding out how of them are also taking money from Russians.

[struggle4progress]

56. Republican sing-a-long

[guillaumeb]

64. And indeed "getting deeper". eom

[Hermit-The-Prog]

58. "seizing control"?

Voters CHOSE to put Democrats in charge of the House. Democrats did not seize control. For the Democratic Party, it is more important that voters choose their representatives rather than the other way around.

[Dorian Gray]

61. They're idiots

I saw this coming the very moment he won the election. For them to believe he could be a "useful tool" to them was insanity. Right from the start.

[guillaumeb]

65. They used him to get the judges that they wanted. eom

[lindysalsagal]

62. He was a noisy toddler right from the start. Only another toddler would be fooled.

Greedy, short-sighted, and stupid.

[CRK7376]

63. Doesn't take a Rocket Scientist

to figure that one out. Go ahead GOP keep fantasizing about winning in 2020....