Why are people here afraid of a major stoner like Pence replacing Trump?

[Kaleva]

I take him to be an Acapulco Gold man.

[Blue Owl]

1. Rumor has it he is a clone of mother

[Hekate]

2. MANAFORT MADE PENCE THE VICE PRESIDENT. Trump wanted Chris Christie...

Jared Kushner doesn't like Christie because he put Kushner Sr in prison. But Red Don still wanted his old pal.

It was MANAFORT who put Pence in there. Don't you ever wonder WHY?

[Kaleva]

3. Because Pence always had the good stuff?

[Soxfan58]

27. Every Day!!!

[blogslut]

4. Why, he wouldn't hurt a fly!

Link to tweet

[Kaleva]

5. I have no idea who thought that having Pence there would be a good thing.

[Hekate]

6. Perhaps it was penance for impure thoughts

[Cha]

15. ..

Link to tweet

[emulatorloo]

7. That was amazing!

[Lithos]

9. Would beg to differ

[manor321]

8. Also, many people here correctly realize Pence is a weak joke

And that Pence would be no threat. He has no following like Trump does.

[EffieBlack]

10. It's a mistake to underestimate Pence and the damage he could do

Folks dismissed Trump as a joke, too.

[yonder]

11. +1. Yes. Caution is in order here.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. -1

I simply don't agree. No VP taking over for any president run out of town is ever going to have any influence over the direction of the country, particularly with the other side controlling the house.

He'd be nothing.

[yonder]

25. Funny thing, I probably agree with your disagreement in this case.

However, your statement that "No VP taking over for any president run out of town is ever going to have any influence...." is an absolute. I had the same confidence about Trump and his chances for election two years ago. That confidence was misplaced. Never say never and all of that.

The pasty, white shadow could be as or more dangerous than 45 once he found himself sitting behind Resolute. Who knows what kind of national realignment he could muster, especially given that many Americans don't have much of a political memory anyway? What if some event, contrived or not, caused a shift in support? Yeah, me too, not likely but I'll stay wary.

Like many folks, that vague, plexic gnawing is still there after two years. So without a crystal ball, my caution remains.

[ProfessorGAC]

29. I Never Said Never With PINO

So, that might be the start of our disconnect.

I certainly expected HRC to win, and wanted that, but i was not anticipating a landslide refutation of his lying nonsense.

But, his one and only path to victory was a cult of personality, and Pence clearly doesn't have that.

You say i'm speaking in absolutes, but PINO never ran for office before and became POTUS. Pence is a career politician and the people in his own state said good riddance. There isn't much cult of personality power there.

[EffieBlack]

34. Exactly

Among other things, Pence doesn’t provoke the revulsion in most Republicans that Trump does. In fact, his calm demeanor could be seen by many Republicans - and even some Democrats - as a refreshing change from the train wreck we have now. I have no doubt that he could very likely be able to fool a majority of Americans exhausted from this ordeal long enough to vote for him in 2020. And while Pence is not the complete mess of a Trump, his policies are completely consistent with his and would likely continue - and Pence has the experience, knowledge and savvy to get things done.

Do. Not. Underestimate. Him.

Be careful what you wish for - you might just get it.

[FSogol]

28. Too late for that, imo. Even if Trump left tomorrow, Pence would have to put his admin in place

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and get up to speed. Like Trump, he's no genius and doesn't have a good work ethic. He would surround himself with GOP and RW religious hangers-on and would go nowhere. Gerald Ford was a skilled legislator and was so damaged by the Nixon fallout that he accomplished nothing. Pence doesn't have Fords skills, is involved in much of the Trump malfeasance, and today's media cycle would eat Pence alive.

[elocs]

37. We underestimate Pence at our peril. It would be foolish to do so. n/t

[Liberty Belle]

12. My guess on why Manafort pushed Pence as VP:

The Russians have Kompromat on him.

He's a priggish Evangelist. Maybe he's had a gay lover or a love child somewhere, or took a bribe somewhere along his political career.

Pence may not even know if the Russians have video or audiotapes or documents that could take him down. But when the Russians need him, they could reveal what they have and totally control him, as they already control Trump.

If he's recently been told of this, it could explain the deer in the headlight looks today, too.

[marylandblue]

13. Maybe Trump, McConnell, Pence and Graham had a pee party.

That would explain a lot.

[DFW]

14. I promise you we do not want Ayatollah Pence as President

He's farther right wing than Trump, has a Torquemada complex, and has an attention span that would enable him to focus on his evil agenda.

We need to get rid of them both at once or tolerate Trump for another 18 months at least.

[JHan]

19. exactly this.

[EffieBlack]

35. This.

I can’t believe that people are actually pushing the “Oh, c’mon. How bad Pence can Pence be?” just two years after the “Oh, c’mon. How bad can Trump be?” experiment blew up America's face.

[OnDoutside]

16. Because, compared with Trump, he would appear normal to the Right, and thus unify them.

[JI7]

17. many Republicans are Porn Addicts that pay women for sex. they would be scared Pence

would take that away from them.

in public they preach christian morals but there is a reason the religious fundies never actually won the nomination .

[OnDoutside]

18. We don't know Pence isn't into porn himself ! We know very little about his private life.

[JI7]

22. i'm pretty sure Pence is a Porn Addict also . Same goes for SAntorum

[JHan]

20. Pence has had influence on the administration and is part of the awful.

We have been caught up with Trump's temperament, but much of the ideological craziness has come from Pence. Much of WH proposed policy has been the Pence agenda.

Yet behind the scenes, a “panel of experts” has been crafting a report, also released on Friday, designed to provide pretextual justification for Trump’s ban. According to multiple sources, Vice President Mike Pence played a leading role in the creation of this report, along with Ryan Anderson, an anti-trans activist, and Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, an anti-LGBTQ lobbying group. Mattis actually supports open transgender service, but he was effectively overruled by Pence, and chose not to spend his limited political capital further defending trans troops. In a memo released on Friday, Mattis encouraged Trump to ban transgender people from enlisting in the military, and to discharge those service members who wish to transition. Trump has now formally adopted these suggestions.

Aside from his dominionism, he's just an awful politician, he was a failure in his state, a backbencher and just lucked out. He's not savvy and not a clever operator.

[Wellstone ruled]

32. Folks need to read your post and

know this is the real Pence. He is the face of Chrito-Fascism.

[RandiFan1290]

21. Some like to insist that we NEVER fight back against the republicons

I wonder why?

[ansible]

24. Pence lacks Trump's charisma and isn't really a threat

Personally I think the fear of him is overblown. Sure he can replace Trump after he gets impeached but there's just no way he'll be able to harness the fanaticism of the MAGA fanboys that propelled him to power.

[Kaleva]

31. I agree with you.

[Polybius]

26. Stoner?

Pence smokes weed?

[Kaleva]

30. Didn't he look and act like he was stoned out of his mind?

[Bradshaw3]

36. Looks like an Indica dude to me

Either that or got a batch of Sativa that took him to another plane.

[Afromania]

33. Plausible Deniability

Others have laid out why Pence himself is a dangerous character but it's the voters I'm afraid of. I don't trust anybody that "just discovered" the Republicans are slime balls. These, imho, are people just waiting in the cut for another low key scumbag to back.

Pence is just low key and sane enough that voters who "left" the party would readily convince themselves to vote for him. They'd then use that as a springboard to go right back to backing republicans on the whole because it's "new day", or some such shit, for the republican party. They pretend that last 2-4 years didn't happen the same way that Bush didn't happen and Regan is some sort of demigod.

The simple fact that every day Pence has been VP has been a day that their has been a mini trump scandal is a day that he has sat on the deck of the Titanic next to the lifeboats while looking at the iceberg. He's been an active participant via support of trump as this whole shitshow has gone down.

Don't trust him and don't trust "enlightened voters" to not screw us all again.