How about this ticket; Beto/ Sherrod Brown, Biden as Secretary of State.

[shockey80]

Beto and Brown connect with the American people, including some Republican voters. Beto connects with people from the South and people across party lines around the country. Brown connects with working people across the country. They get it. Biden would be a great Secretary of State. He could help repair the damage to our relationships around the world.

[greymattermom]

1. How about

Harris/Beto?

[Guppy]

3. Beto

He has the vibe both fundraising and youth. Unfortunately, it would be wise from a macro view that a white male is the bedt choice nationally.

[MrsCoffee]

35. Yeah, no.

[Guppy]

40. I think a lot of people

on this site think it is our turn(woman) to be president. You may feel this way but that does not mean that it is the best way to win.I wish people would take their emotion out of the selection and analyze how America thinks. Unfortunately people in this country are going to think "All the democrats care about are women and minorities. This would be 4 elections without a white male in the mix.

This will be interpreted as the Democrats are spineless and that all they care about is being politically correct.

This is deep into the American psyche. You may not like it but I believe it is true.

Beto would answer multiple things.

Youth, excitement, great fund raising a look into the future. I don't think there is another candidate that answers these intangibles .

Certainly none of the old folk( sanders, Biden, Warren. With the old folk it is our old against their old and its time to move on.

Kamala is workman like but none too exciting plus California is a drag.

Amy Klobacher doesn't excite anyone.

Franken may have been able to pull it off because he had a great personality.

Booker wrong time to be African American and male.

I believe it is Beto.

[EffieBlack]

46. Wow

So, backing a woman or minority is spineless and politically correct while selecting a white man is smart politics?

And did you really type out and then hit send a post that says it's the wrong time to be male and African-American in American politics?

[obamanut2012]

50. I am gobsmacked, but yet not

That post happened.

[brer cat]

85. Wow x 2

Should we tell Booker? I'd hate for him to be the last one to know.

[MrsCoffee]

88. After 200 years with only white males in the mix I think we'll be fine.

[George II]

94. "Old folk"? "California is a drag"? "Doesn't excite anyone"? "Wrong time to be AA and male"?

[obamanut2012]

49. wrong

[NYC Liberal]

56. A white male won't have won the popular vote in 16 years by 2020.

And it’ll have been 20 years counting only Democratic candidates.

From a macro view, a white male is not a good choice.

[TexasBushwhacker]

4. I like both combos

But I really like that Brown is from a swing state.

[Jersey Devil]

14. Ohio is a "swing state"?

Except for Obama and Clinton (once I think), what other Dem candidates for President have recently won Ohio?

[TexasBushwhacker]

18. Carter won it the first time too

That's what a swing state is. Ohio hasn't been a sure thing for either side for pretty much ever, at least the last 100 years; 25 elections, 15 Republican wins and 10 Democrats.

[oberliner]

60. Obama twice and Clinton twice

So that is 4 out of the last 7 presidential elections.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

2. I'm not sure

...that DEMS can win with a straight, white male ticket anymore.

[Guppy]

6. Really?

Name a woman or a male minority who would have gotten that close in Texas. Obama was a once in a lifetime minority. The women thing is over for this next election.

[Garrett78]

8. We don't run a national campaign based on trying to win Texas.

[Guppy]

23. Texas is a bellwhether

if we can compete there then all looks good. What I don't get is why is this site so hung up on having a woman or a minority run again. The idea is to win. Why is a white male bad as our presidential candidate. That is the vibe here.

Kamala is from California strike one and two. What state in the middle of the country does she get. If anything she will be bombarded with the Pelosi effect.

Amy Klobachar is very smart and dull.

Don't run Cory Booker . He is nice but as a party we still need to have some relevance to the white man.

[Laffy Kat]

102. So Obama was just a fluke?

And let's not pay heed to the women rising up in mass? I'm astonished, frankly, over your reasoning.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

11. Let me state this in no uncertain terms...

...I will vote for three all-white gallons of milk before I vote for 45. I am simply giving my opinion about what is making up the electorate.

You may be able to get Black women to vote for 3 white men, but it won't be easy. The youth vote and Hispanic votes are safe as well, but they don't vote in the same numbers as the Black female demo. That Castro twin is running, and Kamala is running. Booker will probably, and I suspect that Gillum is trying to stay relevant for some reason as well.

I think we may need to choose from the pool in order to win.

[Guppy]

24. Black woman are voting this time

because of Trump. They voted in Alabama.

[pecosbob]

5. O'Rourke should run for Senate again in 2020

We need him there, even if he is a bit conservative for my tastes. We need another body in the Senate more than we need another VP candidate. As for being on the top of the ticket...not my first or second or even third choice.

Sherrod Brown is a viable candidate I could get behind, but I disagree with running a seated member of the Senate, just as I would advocate against either Biden or Harris running. I'm way more concerned with making ground in the Senate than the choice for a presidential candidate.

I would push Pelosi to run...

[Guppy]

15. He would lose again

This us Texas. You can’t be a two time loser.

[WhiteTara]

7. Why how inclusive of you.

Three generations of men.

[charlyvi]

9. White men, at that.

[shockey80]

10. Give me a break.

Ok, let me see, we have to have one white guy, one black guy, and one woman or there is something wrong with us. I want people who can win and help us. I don't care what color they are or if they are male or female.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

12. You do know that...

...people who are talking diversity are talking based on "people who can win", too, right?

[WhiteTara]

19. Give us a break.

[oberliner]

21. We should have three women of color

One should be the absolute minimum.

[brush]

27. Try looking at from the perspective of the Dem base of POCs and women.

A ticket of just white males will seem exclusionary to the many who make up the majority of the party.

Brown or Beto or Kennedy or even Landrieu paired with a woman or POC is more reflective of the party and can win.

Obama, a POC, won two terms, and Hillary won the popular vote but the WH was stolen from her. We are no longer in the 90s and back. Leave the all white male tickets to retrograde repugs. The Democratic Party must be one of inclusion.

[Guppy]

58. must be

is that a requirement? Nothing in this world is a requirement or guaranteed.

[brush]

65. Care to bet on it? It would be foolish to echo whatever two white males the repugs run.

And we know they're going to run two white males.

[EffieBlack]

89. No requirements ... except that the candidate be a white man who appeals to white male voters

Right?

(You must think you wrote your previous posts in invisible ink)

[EffieBlack]

47. Actually, you seem to care quite a but what color and gender they are

You just don't seem to think that white men are any particular race or gender...

[Guppy]

16. Fyi, I'm a minority

[obamanut2012]

53. lulz

[Guppy]

71. and your ethnicity is? ?

[Freddie]

13. I like Joe as S of S

That role calls for an Elder Statesman. But by 2020 he’ll be a little too “elder” to be POTUS. Historically Dems win with a young candidate. Think JFK, Bill Clinton, Obama.
IMO, top of ticket:
Amy Klobuchar
Kamala Harris
Tammy Duckworth
Maggie Hassan
Bob Casey
Jay Inslee

Running mate:
Beto
Joe Kennedy
Julián Castro
Tom Wolf

[Guppy]

17. Do you really think Amy Klobachur

Has any pizzazz? Also Kamala is from CA. Lousy place to run from. Remember this is a national race and the Northeast and CA are not great. Look I like Amy and Kamala but this time run a white guy. If we run another woman we will look like political correctness on steroids

[Freddie]

25. Sort of agree

I like Kamala but I think you’re right that a candidate from California might not go over that well in the “heartland”. I would have no problem with 2 white guys as long as they were the right white guys. No Joe - too old and too much baggage (Anita Hill, chummy with Wall Street). No Bernie, too old and too divisive.
He or she is out there. What I think would be a huge mistake would be to do 2016 all over again. Fresh faces please.

[Guppy]

26. It is time to move on and bring in some fresh blood.

Make it a race of the past vs. the future.

[brush]

28. You need to adjust your perspective. California is moving it's primary...

up in the calendar and is an excellent place to run from. And how in the world do you think the state with the most votes is not a good place to run from?

[Guppy]

30. Moving up tour primary is irrelevant

Because we have an electoral college and it has a bad reputation to alot of people.

[brush]

31. Think again. Whoever wins California's primary will have an immediate lead...

in delegates and a good jump on winning the nomination. Putin and the repugs are not going to be able to pull off their theft of the WH again by manipulation the EC in those 3 states they did in 2016 with 77k votes.

[Guppy]

32. That might be true but

In general California is basically considered looney land by much if the country.

[brush]

33. Maybe in your perspective, but I don't think you speak for much of the country.

Nonetheless, California has more votes than any other state, which counts on election night.

[Guppy]

34. It doesn't count on election night

as we have an electoral system. Clinton won California by millions of votes yet she lost the election. If you don't think California is viewed that way why is Pelosi's approval rating so low?

[MrsCoffee]

36. I bet her approval ratings double after her meeting with heirdrumpf about the wall.

Max Mara knew well enough to capitalize on it too, lol.

[Guppy]

41. Ask yourself this question

Does anyone on the current list make you feel like Obama did? Beto might not make you feel like that but he sure gets a lot of other people juiced.

[MrsCoffee]

92. Sure. Thankfully we have an extremely talented and progressive field to chose from in 2020.

We don't have to settle for what makes you comfortable.

[herding cats]

98. I wasn't "juiced" for Obama at this point in 2006, and I ended up being a delegate for him.

This kind of talk is pure nonsense in the real world.

[brush]

45. Putin and Comey won't be able to help trump steal the election this time.

Enjoy your stay as you sound like a bot from the 2016 election.

[Guppy]

51. I have been a follower of elections since 1968

I heard Kenendy's shooting on radio at 1:00 in the morning when for some reason I was listening to my transistor radio on June 6th. I was 16. I am the last of the people who had to be 21 to vote. I marched on Washington at the first rally against the war in November 1969 and the second one in 1971 in the spring.

My first vote McGovern. I missed voting for Carter as I was traveling to my parents who had moved to Atlanta. My first winning vote was Bill Clinton.

I took Political Science in college and have always hated the electoral college.

I know most of the attorneys you see on TV as i work in the legal community. My specialty is White Collar crime. If you watch CNN you will notice a commentator by the name of Joe Moreno. I am connected to him on Linkedin. I have been in his office.

how's your background?

[brush]

55. Back farther than yours and more to the left.

And I don't sound like a repug using anti-progressive talking points about Democratic women.

[Guppy]

72. Well when did you get involved in politics?

[MrsCoffee]

91. +1

[EffieBlack]

63. You're connected with a legal commenrator on LinkedIn and have been in his office?

That's nice.

You still aren't making any sense.

[Guppy]

67. My point is

I have been in politics for a long time. To this day and I am in the legal community. I know tons of lawyers who comment on Trump on TV. They have interesting perspectives.

[herding cats]

103. I'm a forensic accountant. I work with the legal world on a regular basis.

In a business environment, and I'm deeply politically active. I can't seem to find your point here, and I've been searching.

You seem to think you're somehow privy to something special? A lot of us deal with lawyers and legal matters daily. We socialize with them, we work with them, and if we're honest they're a mixed bag of goods. This is from a person who has dealt with lawyers from a federal level all the way down to county level.

What's your point?

[spooky3]

105. By people who continue to support Trump. Not by

People with any intelligence.

You are insulting people in the Midwest and other parts of the country.

[MrsCoffee]

37. Fuck that talking point.

"Political correctness on steroids".

Buy a better clue and a better excuse dude.

[Guppy]

69. Did I insult you?

Did I say anything as derogatory as "Dude"

[MrsCoffee]

90. Insisting we run a white male is insulting, yeah.

[Guppy]

93. I never insisted

I think it gives us the best chance to win. It is the people on this site that insist it has to be a woman or a minority. Like running a white male is bad because he doesn't represent the democratic party. Look at the vitriol at me because i said Beto has the best chance to win. That he is the only democrat that excites people. It is like I am blasphemous to the prevailing democratic religion.

I am making the judgment that he excites people. He ran the closest race in the last 24 years in a statewide election in Texas. Not one other democratic candidate has done anything close to this.

Look at our other candidates.

Bernie, Joe and elizabeth. way to old.

Kamala won in CA. That is not exactly hard.

We area superficial society. People don't make rational decisions. They make emotional ones.

Don't think people make emotional decisions. Look at how you reacted emotionally to me.

[MrsCoffee]

95. All the vitriol at you is because you are talking shit about Democratic women while trying to

stay within your comfort zone.

You can deny it all you want, but your posts are right here for everyone to read.

Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks you might just be pulling a few chains.

[pnwmom]

39. Do you think Sherrod or Joe has "pizzazz"? Why is it "political correctness

on steroids" to run another woman, when our party membership is dominated by women and minorities?

[Guppy]

42. One of the biggest complaints in this country

on both the right and left is people are sick of political correctness. Personally, I am not but I believe I am in the minority. I just think it will look like it is politically correct to have a woman run again.
I get the feeling that it will come across as "It is our turn"as opposed as "lets pick the best candidate" and that smacks of political correctness.

[pnwmom]

43. Who on the left complains about "political correctness"?

I know what people on the right mean when they say it, and I don't think we should cater to racists and misogynists.

But I have no idea who these leftists are who supposedly are very concerned about political correctness.

[Guppy]

54. Read any poll

it is verifiable. I don't agree with it but it is.

[pnwmom]

57. I haven't seen any question about political correctness in a political poll.

Do you have a link for that?

[Guppy]

62. There are multiple polls

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/10/12/80_say_political_correctness_is_a_national_problem_456098.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/large-majorities-dislike-political-correctness/572581/

I like political correctness but many people don't.

[pnwmom]

66. Thank you. So where does it say that running a woman candidate next time

would be an act of political correctness, as opposed to "may the best person win"?

[ck4829]

99. +1

[ck4829]

100. What exactly is "political correctness"?

Is this it?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11555541

I don't grope women and I don't call black people the n-word, I guess that makes me too "politically correct" to be in the mainstream.

[obamanut2012]

52. You are all over this thread talking down women, WOC

And POC and women in general, and claiming it is "political correct" and "spineless" for Dems to NOT run multiple white men.

Your concern is noted.

[pnwmom]

61. If Nikki Haley becomes the first woman President,

that party will instantly rebrand itself and a whole generation of young women voters could be drawn to it.

(And in addition to becoming the first woman President, she could become the first Indian-American President.)

For example, here is how she cleverly turns her pro-life position into a "I love my husband" position:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Nikki_Haley_Abortion.htm

I'm pro-life because someone saved my husband's life
When [my future husband Michael] was three, he and his our siblings were removed from their home by the state. His biological mother got in a car accident and suffered a brain injury. She was no longer able to care for the kids, so Michel and his two sisters were put in foster care in one home, and two others went to different homes nearby. When he was four, he and his younger sister were adopted by an amazing couple, Bill and Carole Haley, who couldn't have children of their own.
In politics people assume that if you're a Republican you're prolife because the party tells you to be. I'm prolife because I got a chance to spend every day with the love of my life knowing that I am blessed that someone saved his life. I would be lost without him.

[Guppy]

64. Nikki Haley

makes me puke but she is a threat.

[pnwmom]

68. Exactly. And if we put up a Mr. Wonder Bread against HER,

we could be in a lot of trouble.

[Guppy]

70. Name a single politician besides

Beto that excites people on the democratic side.

[pnwmom]

73. I think it's too early to judge that. n/t

[Guppy]

74. Obama ratched it up

In 2004. That electricity is apparent. Beto has it. Look I am a minority and I liked Hillary a lot. The electoral college sucks and it always has.

The 20 year assault on her was effective. There is something about the people here that is demanding that we have dnother woman or minority as the head of the ticket. All I am saying is that it doesn’t have to be and if we look at unemotionally you would agree that he has that thing. He comes across as cool.

People buy emotionally and he makes people emotional. I am in sales and once someone gets emotionally attaxhed they are buying.

[pnwmom]

75. I'm not pushing Hillary, and I'm not supporting Biden or Sanders.

I'm waiting-and-seeing on Beto and some others.

[Guppy]

76. Here is what I am saying

People don’t make rational decisions they make emotional ones. People here are saying Beto should wait and get experince. Senators or congressman it is all the same for all intents. It is his time now, You never get that excitement again. As they say in basketball go with the hot hand

[pnwmom]

77. I'm okay with Beto supporters, but not with people

who push the idea that we need an all-white-male ticket, to satisfy the mythical white-male-voter who is progressive but is just "uncomfortable" with a woman or minority on the ticket.

Beto-Biden, Biden-Beto, etc. No, thanks.

[Guppy]

81. Time for young people

us oldies must stand down. It would also be a valuable message of the future vs. the past. Think about how old Beto made Cruz. They are the same age. The message to millennials will be "Who do you want to represent you Trump or me. No Brainer.


You may think I am nuts but it would be better if Trump stays in office for us. He motivates us like no one else. The trouble with Pence is all the republicans go back and will vote republican

[pnwmom]

82. You mean as opposed to impeachment, right?

Because it would be nuts to want Trump to win re-election.

[Guppy]

83. no impeachment

You want the electorate motivated. You want those republican women disgusted with Trump. As putrid as Pence is many of those women go back. If you can get the suburban republicans to vote democratic for 2 elections then you have a chance to make them permanent. Take a look at the long game.
If you get them to vote for 2 elections and you have a great first two years after you get Trump out then you just might have them.

[lapucelle]

78. ...

[ck4829]

97. "Political correctness", people still use that nonsense term?

Other things called "politically correct" and the people who use that term...

Climate science - “politically correct environmental monitoring”, seriously?

Getting called out on pushing fake news - If that name sounds familiar, that's the same guy from here...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2173092

Not being able to call black people racist names

Saying that you don't have to be it anymore right before groping a woman - Groping is not politically correct, who knew?

Seeing a woman One Million Moms think is transgender in a commercial - If I were to ever say anything about that I'm with "One Million Moms", it would be a good sign I'm kidnapped... I think that would be true for just about everyone here, hopefully.

Something not found on the show of a lawyer charged with trafficking meth

What a collection of charmers, right?

[NewJeffCT]

87. Thank you for mentioning that Dems do better with young candidates

I've been harping on that for 2 years now - JFK, Bill Clinton, Obama - young, smart and charismatic. Yes, Jimmy Carter won, but that was following the Nixon Watergate resignation and he lost to the "more charismatic" Reagan in 1980.

Dems lost with McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry and Clinton. All smart and competent, but generally bland overall.

[Freddie]

96. Carter was 52 in 1976

Downright youthful, certainly not pushing 80 like some Dem “possibilities”. And our opponent will be 74. Call me ageist, I’m 62. We need new faces.

[oberliner]

20. Three white males

No thanks.

[oasis]

22. No Beto.

For sure not on the top of the ticket.

Biden/Beto maybe. Give the young'un a while to work on his chops.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

29. I've been pushing for Biden for Sec'y of State here for some time. He'd be great.

I think he's too old for President but at State he could come in and authoritatively clean up the mess Trump's created.
I do think on the main ticket one or the other needs to be something other than a white male.

[pnwmom]

38. So an all-white, all-male trio. What's wrong with this picture? n/t

[EffieBlack]

44. How about a ticket that looks a little bit more like America?

[obamanut2012]

48. Not a woman to be seen

Esp a WOC.

Typical.

[krawhitham]

59. Sherrod Brown will do as well in 2020 as John Kasich did in 2016

He'll win one primary state, Ohio

[elocs]

79. How about waiting until candidates actually declare they are running?

Too much to ask?

[FloridaBlues]

86. Or wait to see who is actually running and let voters decide. Please no more purity test.

There will be more candidates as time goes by, hopefully the Orange agent has resigned within 2019. Than a new ball game starts.

[elocs]

106. Yes, no purity tests.

Who knows how many tens of thousands or more Republicans who didn't like Trump still voted for him anyways because they didn't want Clinton to become president and they understood it was going to be either the one or the other.

Imagine what might have been the outcome if more voters on the Left had done that in states like WI, MI, or PA where Trump had narrow wins.
But we didn't learn the lesson from the 2000 election and then failed again in 2016 and I'm pretty sure it will happen again but hopefully not in my lifetime.

[violetpastille]

80. I will accept any two of those guys if I can also have Stacey Abrams on the ticket.

And I say that as someone who isn't super duper excited about Biden. At all. He can be Secretary.

[apcalc]

84. I will accept a white guy IF there is a woman on the ticket.

No woman? I’ll write one in.

[itsrobert]

101. Excellent.

Nice

[sfwriter]

104. Sounds great to me, but...

Even I recognize it for the white male sausage fest that it is.

I want to see the debates. I want these guys battling it out with younger, darker and/or female candidates.

That said, I like them all.