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Quixote1818

(28,936 posts)
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:08 PM Dec 2018

'You sold your country out!' Judge delivers scathing smackdown of Michael Flynn during sentencing



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Then Sullivan started absolutely tearing into Flynn for his offenses.

“You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States!” Sullivan fumed. “Arguably, this undermines everything this flag over here stands for! Arguably, you sold your country out!”

Sullivan continued by saying, “I’m not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense.”


Link: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/sold-country-judge-delivers-scathing-smackdown-michael-flynn-sentencing/?utm_source=push_notifications
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'You sold your country out!' Judge delivers scathing smackdown of Michael Flynn during sentencing (Original Post) Quixote1818 Dec 2018 OP
Damn straight. underpants Dec 2018 #1
What kind of rationalization did he use to do that. Foreign agent & SoD onit2day Dec 2018 #18
Money, of course vlyons Dec 2018 #29
Put the bastard behind bars montanacowboy Dec 2018 #2
Do you mean wryter2000 Dec 2018 #4
And throw away the key montanacowboy Dec 2018 #6
Yes. Or as he put it at the convention, "yeah! That's right! calimary Dec 2018 #30
Was Flynn sentenced? SkyDaddy7 Dec 2018 #42
The judge delayed rendering his decision for 90 days. He told Flynn that he couldn't tell him politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #51
Yes, I finally found a detailed article... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2018 #55
Holy Shit, a judge after my own heart njhoneybadger Dec 2018 #3
Sold OUR country out sounds better GusBob Dec 2018 #5
My revulsion for this creature knows no bounds UpInArms Dec 2018 #7
Isn't it Ironic Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #11
do ya see the irony? 0rganism Dec 2018 #19
"If I -- a guy who knows this business -- if I...if I did a tenth of what she did, klook Dec 2018 #34
Acccording to all the polls we live in a leftist liberal country.So why are repubs in charge onit2day Dec 2018 #43
Delanian tweets: Leghorn21 Dec 2018 #8
+1 dalton99a Dec 2018 #9
Chris Hayes Gets It GopherGal Dec 2018 #40
I have a question about Flynn's Military standing in all of this PhrankT Dec 2018 #10
That's an excellent question that I would like answered too! ...nt 2naSalit Dec 2018 #15
He took the oath. Codifer Dec 2018 #17
Consider those Soldiers & also Journalists who have lost their lives for all this Country stands for PhrankT Dec 2018 #22
General or Flag officer bpj62 Dec 2018 #23
There is no other way to judge his actions but that of a traitor to his country PhrankT Dec 2018 #24
I joined the military in my 50s with no prior service majdrfrtim Dec 2018 #38
2004-2005? roscoeroscoe Dec 2018 #48
I went to Iraq in 2008-2009. majdrfrtim Dec 2018 #56
Excuse the personal question, but Ink Addict Dec 2018 #53
I tell folks that the fact the military commissioned me in my dotage majdrfrtim Dec 2018 #57
Six, six, and ronatchig Dec 2018 #25
I wonder if he enjoys a military pension? MontanaMama Dec 2018 #31
Yes. I forgot about the Pension. He probably won't need it in prison anyway. PhrankT Dec 2018 #32
He does, and he doesn't deserve it Stargazer09 Dec 2018 #46
Thank you for that information MontanaMama Dec 2018 #49
I'm furious, as well Stargazer09 Dec 2018 #54
Court-martial - not 'marshall' pecosbob Dec 2018 #35
Holy merde! Mme. Defarge Dec 2018 #12
Si, holy fucking mierda!!! RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2018 #45
Lock him up, lock him up! Augiedog Dec 2018 #13
Smarmy little bastard Racerdog1 Dec 2018 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author ailsagirl Dec 2018 #16
I hope there's video! Fritz Walter Dec 2018 #20
Lock him up! Jersey Devil Dec 2018 #21
bwahahah locccckkkkk himmmmm upppppp! JHan Dec 2018 #26
Major smackdown, akin to saying to his face, you are a traitor, ffr Dec 2018 #27
Boom! spicysista Dec 2018 #28
I hope to see this quote along with Flynn's and Trump's pictures on billboards across the land pecosbob Dec 2018 #33
I share . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #36
Two generals... Flynn & Arnold keithbvadu2 Dec 2018 #37
Sentencing MagicPond Dec 2018 #39
Judge is not satisfied with prosecutor's case for recommending such a reduced charge wishstar Dec 2018 #44
Nuts MagicPond Dec 2018 #58
See my post #51 politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2018 #52
Do you remember, early on in the investigation Flynn said something like...' no way I'm taking wiggs Dec 2018 #41
If I were Flynn I'd hack up everything I knew tout suite. marble falls Dec 2018 #47
Kick ck4829 Dec 2018 #50

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
29. Money, of course
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:46 PM
Dec 2018

Flynn was working on a deal with Russia to build nuclear reactors, funded with Saudi money, all over the Middle East. I'm sure Trump was rubbing his greedy hands together with the prospect of scamming cash off the top of that. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

Think about that for a while.

Meanwhile, back at the GOP senate, GOP senators like Tom Cotton are foaming at the mouth about Iran's nuclear deal for peaceful applications.

montanacowboy

(6,088 posts)
2. Put the bastard behind bars
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:09 PM
Dec 2018

he committed Treason and deserves jail no matter what he gave up -stop tip toeing around the T word

Fuck him, he is a traitor to the United States and I hope this judge locks him up

calimary

(81,264 posts)
30. Yes. Or as he put it at the convention, "yeah! That's right!
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:51 PM
Dec 2018

...Lock him up!” Just change two letters from his Hillary-hate taunt (from “her” to “him”) and we can quote him directly.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
42. Was Flynn sentenced?
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:09 AM
Dec 2018

Or did the judge approve Flynn’s request for delay?

...I can’t find an answer.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
51. The judge delayed rendering his decision for 90 days. He told Flynn that he couldn't tell him
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:37 AM
Dec 2018

whether or not when he returned if he would be incarcerated.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
55. Yes, I finally found a detailed article...
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:12 PM
Dec 2018

Thank-you so much for your reply! …I LOVE IT every time These RIGHT WING IDIOTS bring their stupid ideas into the real world & get treated like the POS they are!!

klook

(12,155 posts)
34. "If I -- a guy who knows this business -- if I...if I did a tenth of what she did,
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:15 PM
Dec 2018

I would be in jail today."

Actually, Gen. Flynn, what you've done is 1,000,000 times worse than anything Sec. Clinton ever did.

So, yeah, you should be in jail today. Let's get this party started!

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
8. Delanian tweets:
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:19 PM
Dec 2018
Shorter Judge Sullivan: What’s all this BS on
Fox News about you being trapped? Flynn: Nevermind.





GopherGal

(2,008 posts)
40. Chris Hayes Gets It
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 09:14 PM
Dec 2018

Flynn was trying to play both sides. Cooperate to get a lighter sentence, but play along with the Fux Snooze line of "the FBI mislead me" to preserve future punditry/other money-raising opportunities to pay his bills on the back of of the moron base.

 

PhrankT

(113 posts)
10. I have a question about Flynn's Military standing in all of this
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 01:21 PM
Dec 2018

I'm not sure how to state this, but might all of this matter in a possible court marshall?

Even if he's retired from active service, isn't he still military & decorated as well?

Does the Military weigh in on all of Flynn's crimes after they are revealed?

What could they do to Flynn from a military standpoint?

Thanks

Codifer

(546 posts)
17. He took the oath.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:17 PM
Dec 2018

Many of us did.

"I swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America...."

His assistance in Meuller's investigation should have been voluntary and not bargained for. It was/is his fucking duty. He should embbrace his time in prison like a man.

Period.

 

PhrankT

(113 posts)
22. Consider those Soldiers & also Journalists who have lost their lives for all this Country stands for
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:29 PM
Dec 2018

And, yes, as you say,
"His assistance in Meuller's investigation should have been voluntary and not bargained for. It was/is his fucking duty. He should embbrace his time in prison like a man.

Period."


He makes me sick

bpj62

(999 posts)
23. General or Flag officer
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:33 PM
Dec 2018

A a retired General with knowledge of American Tactics as well as a high level clearance Flynn was required to report any contacts as well as any payments he received from foreign entities. He failed to report the money he received from RT for attending that now infamous conference that Putin and Jill Stein were at. This is what started the initial investigation into his activities. This has been a foriegn intelligence investigation from the beginning. Sally Yates tried to warn Trimp off but he ignored and subsequently fired her. Now we know why.

 

PhrankT

(113 posts)
24. There is no other way to judge his actions but that of a traitor to his country
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:39 PM
Dec 2018

He gave up an entire honorable US military career for Russia.

And now we read more coming out as to Turkey.

Massive unforgiveable betrayal.

majdrfrtim

(317 posts)
38. I joined the military in my 50s with no prior service
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 06:25 PM
Dec 2018

at a time when media bloviators accused people with personal views similar to mine of "not supporting the troops" -- or even of "treason." I went to Iraq without a weapon while those bloviators kept bloviating. "Disgust" can't begin to describe the incandescence of my negative reaction to someone like this person who betrays his country and his military uniform for money.

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
48. 2004-2005?
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:39 AM
Dec 2018

I remember reading in Stars and Stripes about some tough old men and women who were down range while I was there. I was in Tikrit, but I was only 45 so still young.

Flynn is a disgrace. I hope he really got what the judge was saying yesterday.

 

Ink Addict

(36 posts)
53. Excuse the personal question, but
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:08 PM
Dec 2018

without even prior service, how were you able to join - I was under an assumption and per classified ads that age 36 was the cut-off though I thought of that as "age discrimination" where one had already served and trained and had a mainly non-combat MOS???

IMHO, this in-active general should be at best be stripped of an honorable discharge, honors an ribbons, and pension. His crime(s) amount to much more than just the "oops, I didn't register my activities for which I was being paid." At worse, this person committed crimes against the USA, after swearing an oath, to defend its foundations in the Constitution and rules of law by actions that amounted to treason. He should spend the rest of his days locked away in Leavenworth as a matter of national security. I can't imagine having to parse every definition of legal language, and am disgusted at a legal and justice system that apparently lets this slide for "cooperating." It's not arguable to me, judge, he DID sell out America and plotted against American policies that were in place while being given access to national security intelligence; for that, no sentence would be too long.

majdrfrtim

(317 posts)
57. I tell folks that the fact the military commissioned me in my dotage
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:15 PM
Dec 2018

is a clear sign that they had scraped the bottom of the barrel because they were so desperate and broken!

I was a noncombatant, though I went outside the wire more than 200 times while I was deployed to combat.

MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)
31. I wonder if he enjoys a military pension?
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 03:52 PM
Dec 2018

That shit should be GONE. A decorated member of the military is guilty of crimes against the United States. He should not be paid another dime of our money.

 

PhrankT

(113 posts)
32. Yes. I forgot about the Pension. He probably won't need it in prison anyway.
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:01 PM
Dec 2018

I just started a thread on this subject since I find it quite fascinating.
And I know so little about Military code.
I never had to think about it till Trump arrived.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
46. He does, and he doesn't deserve it
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:26 AM
Dec 2018

As a retired flag officer, he’s getting a sizable retirement check plus health insurance (which is worth a lot nowadays).

It’s my understanding that he would have to be brought back in active duty for court martial proceedings, and if he’s found guilty, they can strip his retirement benefits from him. I’m not a lawyer, just a veteran who didn’t commit treason, so I’m not sure of the process.

MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)
49. Thank you for that information
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:04 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:07 PM - Edit history (1)

and your service. You are correct, Flynn doesn’t deserve that pension. It makes me furious.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
54. I'm furious, as well
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:59 PM
Dec 2018

I just can’t wrap my brain around his actions. He violated so many norms and acted like a traitor to our country. Worst of all, he may not end up serving any prison time or losing his retirement checks. It’s infuriating.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
35. Court-martial - not 'marshall'
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:02 PM
Dec 2018

Prosecution under UCMJ is wholly dependent upon the political will within the upper echelons of the military, particularly for a flag officer.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
14. Smarmy little bastard
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:01 PM
Dec 2018

To think this piece of shit being a general, treasonous asshole deserves a long sentence.

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
20. I hope there's video!
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 02:27 PM
Dec 2018

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall.
Even though flies on walls can get hit by shrapnel! It’d be worth it to watch Flynn “visibly shaken.”

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
33. I hope to see this quote along with Flynn's and Trump's pictures on billboards across the land
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:03 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

leading up to the next election. This would be a POWERFUL message. Somone with desktop publishing skills should already be on this...

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
36. I share . . .
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 05:17 PM
Dec 2018

the judge's disgust and I'm glad he called this out from the bench. Flynn got the deal of a lifetime for being a traitorous weasel. Instead of jumping for joy, he had to smack down the FBI one more time and play to Trumpski's base.

The judge was not amused. Neither was I.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
44. Judge is not satisfied with prosecutor's case for recommending such a reduced charge
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:02 AM
Dec 2018

Former DOJ official on MSNBC speculated that Mueller team will be submitting additional justification to Judge for their recommendation of Flynn not having to serve any time and their giving him a range of only 0 to 6 months, since if Flynn had been charged in the Turkey deal, the range would have been more than the 6 months. Judge wants further clarification from prosecutor regarding Flynn's criminality and cooperation deal before judge makes his final decision.

wiggs

(7,813 posts)
41. Do you remember, early on in the investigation Flynn said something like...' no way I'm taking
Tue Dec 18, 2018, 11:16 PM
Dec 2018

the fall for this alone...'

I hope one day, soon, we find out what that means.

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