Am I reading this wrong or is Pence off the hook?

[mindfulNJ]

Rachel just read the Flynn sentencing transcript and the judge, who has seen the non redacted documents, said that Flynn caused the Vice President elect to "lie to the American people " Does this mean that they think that Pence is an innocent bystander? Tell me I'm wrong about this. 😣

[democratisphere]

1. Pence will be indicted too.

Patience.

[Jarqui]

2. I've asked this before. I'm not clear.

Rachel had previously made the case that Pence, as head of the transition team, had to know about Flynn and Rachel felt he was in trouble.

After a couple of recent reports, I'm not sure anymore.

[underpants]

3. No one is off the hook

No one.

[mindfulNJ]

7. Hope you're right

but the fact that the judge went out of his way to mention the Vice President elect has me worried that they don't have anything to link Pence to all this...yet.

[elleng]

4. Sorry, mindful, I didn't hear that part.

Doesn't sound like 'innocent bystander' would work (in my 'ignorant' opinion.)

[mindfulNJ]

9. Trying to find

a written transcript somewhere to cut and paste from to show you tha exact quote.

[Me.]

5. I Don't Think He's Been Interviewed By Mueller

so he can still lie/disclaim

[AlexSFCA]

6. IMO, Pence is completey off the hook

always has been. Remember how Bannon was saying that they were keeping pence as far away from trump as possible with no overlapping staff. He said pence is the fallback guy. Even omarosa who knows trump very well, said pence is more dangerous than trump. He is a true believer, few things are more dangerous.

[saljr1]

12. not yet

Pence according to reports was begging to speak to Special Counsel this past summer but they refused to see him. Remember the government motto "never interview a target in the case".

[BigmanPigman]

8. That crossed my mind when I first heard it several hours ago.

Pence is complicit in other things so if this one issue is not the one that nails him, others will.

[manor321]

10. We don't yet have clear evidence of Pence's involvement.

There is speculation but even Seth Abramson doesn't see clear public evidence yet.

There are good reasons to believe he's in trouble. but I wouldn't think it is 100%.

[techne7319]

11. Maybe...

Maybe Pence lied about Flynn lying to him, or they agreed to play it out as Flynn lied to give the impression that Pence didn’t know what Flynn was up to. No matter how you slice it, this administration runs on lies

[50 Shades Of Blue]

13. "Trump transition was told of Flynn's lobbying, congressman's letter to Pence shows":

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article137853633.html

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Flynn was busted in part for lying to Pence.

But that doesn't mean Pence didn't know what was going on anyhow. If there's a hook, Pence isn't off it by any means.

[Poiuyt]

15. Remember that Flynn is only one part of the Mueller investigation.

Penske could be implicated in other aspects of trump's crimes against America.

[2naSalit]

16. Not to mention his own crimes...nt

[mindfulNJ]

17. OK here is the quote:

"The Court: Not only did you lie to the FBI, but you lied to senior officials in the Trump Transition Team and Administration. Those lies caused the then-Vice President Elect, incoming Chief of Staff, and then-Press Secretary to lie to the American people."

If there is information that Pence is complicit in the whole Russia matter it's obviously not in the Flynn sentencing document.