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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuit Facebook and delete the App from your Smartphone. Seriously, delete it. NOW!
TL;DR1. Facebook is sharing your private information, your contacts, your private messages with 150 corporations all over the planet.
2. Facebook continued sharing all of this information with those corporations AFTER the projects that needed this data had ended.
3. Facebook circumvented FTC-regulations preventing this kind of behavior by pretending that these corporations are middle-men between Facebook and Facebook-users.
4. Facebook continued sharing your contact-information with corporations after promising in 2014 that they would stop doing that.
5. Facebook gave these corporations the rights to read, write and delete your private messages.
6. Your privacy-settings are meaningless. Facebooks shares your info whether you allow it or not.
7. In 2017, Facebook shared private info with russian IT-giant Yandex, who is accused of working for the Kremlin.
https://gizmodo.com/amazon-and-facebook-reportedly-had-a-secret-data-sharin-1831192148
Amazon refused to let a customer write a review for a book because Amazon had secretly gotten word from Facebook that the woman was following the author on Facebook.
https://gizmodo.com/turning-off-facebook-location-tracking-doesnt-stop-it-f-1831149148
The Facebook-App tracks your location no matter whether you turn this feature on or off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/technology/facebook-privacy.html
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The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends posts as recently as this summer, despite public statements that it had stopped that type of sharing years earlier.
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In all, the deals described in the documents benefited more than 150 companies ... The deals, the oldest of which date to 2010, were all active in 2017. Some were still in effect this year.
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Facebook has found no evidence of abuse by its partners, a spokeswoman said. Some of the largest partners, including Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo, said they had used the data appropriately, but declined to discuss the sharing deals in detail. Facebook did say that it had mismanaged some of its partnerships, allowing certain companies access to continue long after they had shut down the features that required the data.
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With most of the partnerships, Mr. Satterfield said, the F.T.C. agreement did not require the social network to secure users consent before sharing data because Facebook considered the partners extensions of itself service providers that allowed users to interact with their Facebook friends. The partners were prohibited from using the personal information for other purposes, he said. Facebooks partners dont get to ignore peoples privacy settings.
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The feature, introduced in 2008, continues even though some Facebook users have objected to it, unsettled by its knowledge of their real-world relationships. Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tools recommending friend connections between patients of the same psychiatrist, estranged family members, and a harasser and his victim.
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Some enabled partners to see users contact information through their friends even after the social network, responding to complaints, said in 2014 that it was stripping all applications of that power.
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Facebook also allowed Spotify, Netflix and the Royal Bank of Canada to read, write and delete users private messages, and to see all participants on a thread privileges that appeared to go beyond what the companies needed to integrate Facebook into their systems, the records show.
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Yahoo could view real-time feeds of friends posts for a feature that the company had ended in 2011.
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Facebook empowered Apple to hide from Facebook users all indicators that its devices were asking for data. Apple devices also had access to the contact numbers and calendar entries of people who had changed their account settings to disable all sharing, the records show.
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In 2014, Facebook ended instant personalization and walled off access to friends information. But in a previously unreported agreement, the social networks engineers continued allowing Bing; Pandora, the music streaming service; and Rotten Tomatoes, the movie and television review site, access to much of the data they had gotten for the discontinued feature.
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There has been an endless barrage of how Facebook has ignored users privacy settings, and we truly believed that in 2011 we had solved this problem, said Marc Rotenberg, head of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, an online privacy group that filed one of the first complaints about Facebook with federal regulators. We brought Facebook under the regulatory authority of the F.T.C. after a tremendous amount of work. The F.T.C. has failed to act.
According to Facebook, most of its data partnerships fall under an exemption to the F.T.C. agreement. The company argues that the partner companies are service providers companies that use the data only for and at the direction of Facebook and function as an extension of the social network.
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Facebook even recategorized one company, the Russian search giant Yandex, as an integration partner.
Facebook records show Yandex had access in 2017 to Facebooks unique user IDs even after the social network stopped sharing them with other applications, citing privacy risks. A spokeswoman for Yandex, which was accused last year by Ukraines security service of funneling its user data to the Kremlin, said the company was unaware of the access and did not know why Facebook had allowed it to continue. She added that the Ukrainian allegations have no merit.
In October, Facebook said Yandex was not an integration partner. But in early December, as The Times was preparing to publish this article, Facebook told congressional lawmakers that it was.
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Two former Facebook partners, whose deals with the social network dated to 2010, said they could find no evidence that Facebook had ever audited them. One was BlackBerry. The other was Yandex.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)
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DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)I tried to write a complaint about Fbooks use of fake ads and fake news leading up to the 2016 election (this was before news of Fbooks role in our current national nightmare had surfaced). They brushed off my concerns twice. I mentioned that perhaps Mark Zuckerberg was not politically and culturally educated enough to care and wasnt leading a taskforce of any kind to address the problem. (He quit Harvard, after all, to make $$$).
Then they censored my report.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It's Facebook as well.
sinkingfeeling
(51,487 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)I tried for months.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,509 posts)most I can do is disable it on settings application manager. My understanding is that because of the deal between Samsung and Facebook. It's treated like a system application. Therefore it can't be 100% removed.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4/635771-why-cant-i-completely-uninstall-facebook.html%3famp
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)I recently got a Note 9 and it doesn't let you remove it - and since I also have a Samsung Gear, the software for it requires it be there since Facebook now owns Occulus (who makes the Gear for Samsung).
I never had any Facebook account and didn't create one either even with having the Occulus software on the phone (just have that account).
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Not complaining, but I wonder why it was easy on my phone and others are having trouble getting rid of it.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,509 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)I still have a FB account that I keep purely social and if, for any reason, I want to access it from my phone, I just go in through the browser. My biggest objection to the app was that it kept pestering me to install the messenger and I don't want that because it tinkered around with my contacts list which was annoying as Hell.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)smb
(3,476 posts)If so, you can't delete it, but you can disable it from the Android app settings.
Personally, I've created a couple fake-name fake-data Faceborg accounts just to pollute their database a bit, and don't actually use them.
blogslut
(38,021 posts)My phone has it as part of the operating system and I can't delete it either. However, I've never used it, never update it and have never logged in on my phone. I don't know if it keeps the bugger from snooping around on my phone but it's the best I can do.
sinkingfeeling
(51,487 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)What exactly does disabled mean?
Any idea?
BigmanPigman
(51,648 posts)you delete it. I think they said Instagram is also owned by Fuckerberg and does the same thing as Fakebook I never had either so this is from what I saw on cable news, not from my own experience.
wroberts189
(4,105 posts)or deny it. And whether to allow it on wifi or cell...
No root firewall
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en_US
wroberts189
(4,105 posts)I highly recommend Telegram X or Telegram... runs on all systems even web. Allows end to end encryption.
Telegram Messenger
https://telegram.org/
Celerity
(43,681 posts)Stuart G
(38,454 posts)So, private info was NOT SAFE, IT WAS GIVEN FOR FREE IN PART A SHARING DEALS....
FROM ABOVE......
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Facebook allowed Microsofts Bing search engine to see the names of virtually all Facebook users friends without consent, the records show, and gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users private messages.
The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends posts as recently as this summer, despite public statements that it had stopped that type of sharing years earlier.
In all, the deals described in the documents benefited more than 150 companies ... The deals, the oldest of which date to 2010, were all active in 2017. Some were still in effect this year.
Facebook has found no evidence of abuse by its partners, a spokeswoman said. Some of the largest partners, including Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo, said they had used the data appropriately, but declined to discuss the sharing deals in detail. Facebook did say that it had mismanaged some of its partnerships, allowing certain companies access to continue long after they had shut down the features that required the data.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)I text or call or email friends. Or sometimes I even see them. I don't need to see their vacation pics or restaurant plate pics.
2naSalit
(86,889 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,268 posts)all these 'negative features' posts about it. Actually deceitful and underhanded practices. Liars. "I keep telling him!"
Thx to DUers who post these alerts. 👍
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...literally addicted. For something that seemed rather innocuous at first, it's showing itself as a bane on society.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Facebook will throttle messages it finds overly political as well, it seems. I'll post a Tom Tomorrow cartoon or similar and it will get two likes and one comment, when I have ~1500 friends, and my non-political posts get plenty more traction than that.
Nonetheless, I stick around at FB for the kid pics and news from afar. I just treat "Friends Only" posts as public, and my public posts as potentially radioactive.
I do not have Messenger on my phone, and intend to keep it that way.
With FB, we are the product, the commodity. If one keeps that in mind, then it can be a source of amusement.
k&r,
-app
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)I have several Facebook friends that I have unfollowed, but not unfriended, because all they do is spew political posts. I don't collect friend as if they were some sort of trophy, my friends are people I actual know. Facebook is not a political forum like DU, so an inappropriate venue for political content.
As I am job-hunting, I am more aware of keeping politics out of my non-anonymous social media. Here, I can let get my fill of content that would cause issues with some of the people who are my friends, regardless of politics.
barbtries
(28,817 posts)my extended family is all on FB and i keep up with them that way - we are scattered all over the US. many of them use instagram more now but i cannot figure that damn app out and it's turning out that the russians are all over instagram as well.
ETA i had fb messenger on my phone for maybe one day - it was so intrusive i deleted it. if someone messages me they have to wait until i'm at my computer. if it's someone close they can call me.
Hugin
(33,222 posts)Yep, it's as corrupt as it can be.
Twitter is as bad or worse, but, nobody is willing to admit it yet.
Twitter always gets an unearned pass.
LuvNewcastle
(16,864 posts)I know people who use Facebook for business, and it seems to serve them well, but it's not good for much else. Facebook thrives on stupid people who post everything about themselves there. People seem to forget that Facebook was created to generate profit. They think of it like it's the water company, like it's there to provide a service to people.
DownriverDem
(6,233 posts)I like FB because it keeps me connected with folks who lean left like me.
ananda
(28,891 posts)I'm a liberal leftie and I want everyone to know it.
samnsara
(17,656 posts)..I post but never read the replies and maybe once a week I log on briefly for some other reason. Im not susceptible to any propaganda and I never believe stuff I read unless I can verify it with other sources.
Brainstormy
(2,381 posts)My FB page is my anti-Trump platform. I don't give a damn how much it gets shared.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I treat the internet like privacy is dead. Only post things you don't mind others reading & knowing it was you who posted it.
Let's all post this today:
Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)Botany
(70,635 posts)Link to tweet
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Zuckerberg is on record as saying "the problems" in 2016 and the elections
was a bad app and security problems but in reality facebook was working hand
and glove with Cambridge Analytica and the Trump Campaign to help "bath"
targeted voters with multiple streams of misinformation.
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The campaign also employed Cambridge Analytica, a data science firm principally owned by Trump backer and Breitbart investor Robert Mercer, to provide useful analysis of data about the American electorate as reported in Wired. The firm sent three staff members to the San Antonio office, including its chief product officer, Matt Oczkowski.
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Hongs boss Brad Parscale had a similar take about the social media platform. In an interview with 60 Minutes, Parscale, the Trump's campaign Digital Director said, I understood early that Facebook was how Donald Trump was going to win. Twitter is how he talked to the people. Facebook was going to be how he won.
Parscale also revealed in the interview that Facebook provided the campaign with their employees, working out of the Project Alamo office, and helped educate the digital team on how to use Facebook ads. And it wasnt just Facebook. According to Parscale, Google employees, and Twitter employees also visited the digital office multiple days a week.
https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/features/how-facebook-was-harnessed-to-micro-target-voters-and-promote-donald-trump
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)American gulliblity, ignorance and arrogance along with a big dose of precinct by precinct election fraud and an unfair and unbalanced election system, Hillary got more votes than any presidential candidate except Barrack Obama. The voices of the majority has been muffled and it's not by Facebook, but by the lying, cheating and dirty dealing of the Republican party using the obvious anti democratic flaws in our own Consitution against us.
Botany
(70,635 posts)But it was part of the Russia/Trump/GOP plan.
And your are right about the precinct by precinct electoral fraud.
Russia was into Wisconsin @ the county level in 2016.
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/
BTW I put up my sig line .... It was treason and we had a coup on the day after the elections 2016.
dalton99a
(81,671 posts)Just like right now with the riots they instigated in France
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)I just recognize theres more than one villain and theyve been around long before Facebook.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)Got tired of dealing with Trumpers
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)right wing spy/GOP network.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)It should be gone Jan 7th.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)honestly, as long as my 86 yo mother is alive, I am keeping facebook.
She can't remember her password for email and that's been broken for 3 months. The only way to contact her is via facebook or phone. With the 6 hr time difference, I'm afraid that's all I can do.
(To the OP, your information is out there and anybody will 25 bucks can get your name, address, phone number, date of birth and marital status easily. If I was worried about facebook having my data, I wouldn't have an account. Seriously, as a trained IT person, the hacks in the past decade have taken your social security number and credit card numbers too. Our data isn't private anywhere anymore. Too late, sorry).
Progressive dog
(6,924 posts)Facebook violating that privacy and then lying about it is wrong. They also shared your friends' data. There are hundreds of millions of people on FB, 25 bucks each is a lot of money.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)but you're right, it's supposed to protect us.
Croney
(4,674 posts)She's nearly deaf, and is hard to understand on the phone, but she has an amazing Facebook life! We have a private group for just her and me and my two sisters, where we discuss everything from recipes to funeral planning to Christmas reunion plans.
I don't post anything I wouldn't want to be public (except snark about a few relatives), because I'm well aware that Facebook is like that filthy tank in the dentist's office in Finding Nemo. You swim at your own risk.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,112 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Okay I will rush to delete my account......
HipChick
(25,485 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)All my ads changed from shoes and kitchen islands to local hotels and restaurants. Now it's changed back. Unless I threw my phone in the ocean, people know where I am.
MuseRider
(34,136 posts)I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and when I checked my phone in the waiting room it told me that it was his wife's birthday. WTF?
Everyone knows everything. I have FB to keep up with people I know. I do a little politics but rarely and usually only in a protected group. I know it is not protected for "them" but it is not on the public part where others mess with you and try to hack you.
I do hate much of it, it is often stupid crap and worthless but my family and friends who I will never see again but have found a new relationship with on FB are important to me and as I get older I think it will be more important. When you live away from a city it is important to have contact with others as you age. So...for now I am staying. I have protected myself as much as I possibly can and after that it is either be alone without these important people and still be tracked, spied on and used by other sites or groups I am unaware of or just stay on FB with as many protections as I can put on it and deal with it.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As to your own expressed sentiment, you appear the only one making that argument, while yet simultaneously arguing against it. :shrug
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I'm fairly convinced an intelligent poster like yourself can figure that out. If not then my apologies.
As far as the forest analogy, I think my participation in or patronage of anything is a worthy statement. Your alternate viewpoint would support the idea that an individual vote is not worth the trouble because it's a miniscule gesture, just one vote in the forest. I think not. Every act that supports a business, institution or idea is a vote and I take that seriously.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)that we have hands down of FB. I did mention WhatsApp earlier except it's owned and operated by FB. Others have mentioned Twitter but the subject of the OP is FB. No doubt the issue is network wide but not dealing with FB because others commit the same transgression isn't logical. We have to deal with what is right on the front line and Facebook's deceit is the most prevalent and far reaching.
Some people complain that we only have one vote and it's insignificant. On the contrary, we vote every time we make a purchase, every time we click a link, every decision we make to support a business or cause. All of those votes count. I want my votes to support human values, not disguised usery that undermines democracy in favor of oligarchy.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)If you really don't care about all the banalities and trivialities of your hobbies getting out, why do you not use your real name?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)They get, use and distribute your info anyway.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)What they care about are who your friends are, who their friends are, who you friend, who you like and dislike, whatever contact information that entails and how all that information fits into an algorithm that can be used by the buyer to manipulate the public for whatever they're after whether it's financial or political. No one cares about your garden exploits.
a la izquierda
(11,802 posts)I dont post anything on there that I dont want shared.
But I like to know whats happening in my town, and considering I travel a ton, I can touch base easily.
Ponietz
(3,052 posts)violetpastille
(1,483 posts)Progressive dog
(6,924 posts)They may be broken beyond fixing. If governments fail to act to audit and punish Facebook, then users must.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Augiedog
(2,549 posts)True Blue American
(17,995 posts)Deleted long ago. I despise it and am not too impressed with Twitter.
They_Live
(3,242 posts)no account.
malaise
(269,254 posts)or Twitter
BigmanPigman
(51,648 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)there isnt much there; what type of private info are you afraid of sharing? I dont have my phone number there or address or even exact real name, and dont share anything embarassing, same with facebook messsager. I will say that many of my friends and relatives have moved on to instagram and rarely use facebook anymore. I had to install instagram too (owned by facebook) just to keep up to date. What we need to work on is some serious regulations around peoples data with real consequences. EU is doing better in this area.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)I never put anything but general stuff on my phone.
samnsara
(17,656 posts)...ao apparently there are some things that we as users need to be aware of and tweek as needed...but other than that im surprised how many ppl post stuff about their little kids.
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Nitram
(22,945 posts)I do support government legislation, oversight, and enforcement of privacy laws on all social media. We know they can't be trusted to do it themselves.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I belong to a closed group that talks about cat rescue and fostering. All they know about me is what kind of cats I have.
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)They also know who you're friends with (if you've done any of those connections), possibly records of physical locations like which stores you visit (if their app is on your phone and you have location services on), how much time you spend viewing which posts (telling them more about your interests), whatever sign-up info you provided (age, etc.), what hours of the day you tend to be online, all kinds of things even if you never create or like a single post (and more if you do).
defacto7
(13,485 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)And that everyone has FB apps on their phones?
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)I think other sites collect info, and it's all worth considering. That said, facebook probably has (and makes available to others) access to more of it than anyone else. Google has a lot of info on you, but people generally engage with google in entirely different ways than they engage with facebook.
As for the other, of course I don't think everyone has FB apps in their phones, or else I wouldn't have typed a phrase like "if their app is on your phone."
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)is to assume that anything posted on line isn't private. I post photographs of flowers, pictures of Indian spices, pictures of goats eating kudzu, just interesting or quirky things. I have friends in India I like to keep up with.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Like, what plants are toxic to cats, etc.
dalton99a
(81,671 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)1. "What difference does it make, anyone can obtain your information on the web."
True, but that is not what is being talked about here as the users of this application did not sign up to have their contact information, messages and who knows whatever else -- read by Facebook and Shared/Sold to Whomever.
2. "My Friends, Family, Dog, Cat could not EVER be reached like EVER if it was not for Facebook, therefore I must keep it."
Really? Did phones stop working all of a sudden? What about snail mail? What about just stopping over someones home for a wellness check? Facebook is NOT a need, it is a WANT. Acknowledge it and move on from the lame excuses.
3. Well Twitter, Google, MSN, (Insert - Name Any Social Media Tool) Sells Your Data Too!
Maybe, but they have NOT at this point to be as Evil in the intent of doing so (Yet??) as Facebook obviously has been. Point, Blank, Period. Facebook sold your data to a Russian Firm to target your thought patterns to heavily influence how you might vote or not vote in an election. That is the reality of Facebook. Deal with it and don't make excuses for them or you.
klook
(12,173 posts)I see and hear these excuses all the time. Unfortunately, a great many people just do not give a shit about being spied on, tracked, and reported on, as long as they get the endorphin rush that comes from being acknowledged and affirmed via Facebook feedback.
I dont use it and have managed to maintain all my most important relationships with family and friends just fine.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I do not engage in any political discourse.
I probably have some 'friends' who lean right, I don;t know, but if any of them post anything that I see in my news feed, they are toast.
I am a still active retired musician who, while not exactly famous (whew!), is known in my field throughout the world. I have real and, thanks to FB, "FB" friends in many countries -- mostly classical musicians, ballet dancers, artistic types, a few sailors, instrument makers,etc. Also just old friends.
This is how we stay in touch with each other. I learn a great deal from many of these people, often through private groups, can buy and sell instruments and accessories pertinent to my profession through a couple of other private groups...
90% of the time I use my desktop, but also my cell, especially when traveling.
I had a 1 hour call last night with 2 dear friends in Graz, for free, using FB messenger. Sure beats hell out of Verizon, which is still tying to over charge me for cell use on a recent trip to Japan.
I don;t doubt what others say, This is just my experience.
moonseller66
(430 posts)This falls into the category "My congressman is ok. It's yours we need to remove from office."
LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)Polybius
(15,517 posts)I'm fine with going back to MySpace, but I would be alone on my friend's list.
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)I have a theory that people that are addicted (all of us, to something)
are longing for connection, for beauty, for meaning.
I would say this. Don't give up your addiction, but fill yourself up with something else that the addiction loses power.
Buy a dozen roses and go to the closest graveyard and put a flower on 12 graves of your choice. Contemplate eternity.
Get a stack of post its and write messages on them "You are an ever flowering blossom" "It will be okay" whatever you would like to see and hide the post its in the supermarket. In a carton of eggs. on an orange juice carton.
Write in chalk on the sidewalk, "Be Here Now" "Remember to Breathe."
Take a walk. Sprinkle wildflower seeds as you go.
And on and on...
DemSoc
(52 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,469 posts)And you can bet that the public only knows about 10% of the fuckery he is pulling.
dalton99a
(81,671 posts)It's guaranteed.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)iamateacher
(1,089 posts)I take personal responsibility for the information I post. No addresses, personal dates, etc. I used to teach my students how to be safe online. It should be taught in all schools.
I also manage pages for 2 charities. Facebook is great for that.
klook
(12,173 posts)and it works great. There are other web platforms that are as easy or easier to use, and cheap or free.
Of course, with Facebook, you get the built in tentacles that make it easy to be found by FB users, but those same tentacles are part of the framework the OP warns about.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)Oneironaut
(5,538 posts)Absolutely everything. Even your private videos and pictures. All tracked!
Dont put pictures on social media that you wouldnt want the world to see. Dont put pictures you wouldnt want sold to a porn site - technically, they could do that too.
There is no delete. Once you upload the pictures, theyre there forever.
Never send embarrassing photos on your smart phone either. Those can be stolen from your phone. Even if Apple assures you they cant, youre trusting a corporation to care about your privacy. All they care about is money.
Thats my philosophy on devices and social media. They need to be used carefully. Everything is public domain now - there is no privacy, like it or not.
yuiyoshida
(41,869 posts)Never really liked FB that much.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)elocs
(22,630 posts)all over the place whether I like it or not. Perhaps the day will come when I can't leave the house without being seen on video. So what do I do then? Stay home and never leave the house?
I use Facebook to be able to post at places that require it, that's it.
None of the information I have there about me is real. No, it's not a perfect solution but this is the world we live in now.
Do I think that I am absolutely safe about what I post here at DU?
No.
MrGrieves
(315 posts)Arguably the worlds largest communication and information sharing service should be shunned by left leaning groups because of the use of right wing groups?
I am by no means going to make excuses for facebook's actions, but I find it hilarious that people think this is only FB that engages in this. Literally almost every social service is sharing and or selling your data. And if they aren't, it is likely they are going to mishandle your data at some point. Doesn't make it right. It's just a fact that these things are going to happen.
Knowing that the right is using these tools to reach out and gain voters and support why is our first inclination regarding these stories to cede that ground to them? The goal should be stricter privacy laws and data governance. Even still we are always going to have these problems online. Always. Underline that. There will ALWAYS be these types of issues online. Because someone is always looking to gain that info either inside the host company or outside.
I think if we abandon social media we are fools.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)all the junk my family and friends might be seeing. And I've had some relatives and acquaintances in red areas contact me privately and thank me for doing this -- because it made them feel less isolated.
samnsara
(17,656 posts)..this shouldnt be a surprise to anyone. Just never post anything you want kept private.
GoCubsGo
(32,099 posts)It boggles my mind that people accept requests from people they don't even know. I always thought it odd that I was getting friend requests from foreigners, mostly Russian women. Now I know why. I never got any of the Anti-Hillary, Pro-Trump hit in my news feed, because the bots had no permission from me to do so.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)But, that being said, it keeps me connected to friends and family members whom I would not be able to have any contact with otherwise and I've met tons of people I would never have met otherwise. It is probably my only pipeline to having a social life at present. I'm personally in no rush to get rid of it. A lot of marginalized groups don't have any other means of communication with the outside world beyond social media. Don't throw away the proverbial "baby" with the bathwater and keep on pushing for social media companies to be more responsive/responsible to our concerns.
Dorn
(525 posts)full stop
Ponietz
(3,052 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)But I'll be damned if I'm not going to be personally resposible as well. To do otherwise is the same as saying voting doesn't matter or my vote won't make a difference. We can vote every day through our choices.
My actions matter.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)Just boycott Facebook.
cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)Any web page you visit with a Like and share button embedded in it, regardless if its FB, Twitter, Pinterest, your visit is being recorded and catalogued for advertisers (or worse). So you can never use a social media site, but your habits are known anyway.
One solution is to give up any and all internet use, maybe move out into the boonies like those extreme off-grid survivalists in Alaska. Or we can demand more regulation and oversight of how Big Data uses that information they scrape with every web page visit.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)dalton99a
(81,671 posts)SweetieD
(1,660 posts)That doesn't have programs hardwired in.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)extvbroadcaster
(343 posts)I never joined facebook as myself. No info about me at all. I have a fake shell account in the name of a long dead designer. I even put his birthday, the correct one on. He was born in 1922. I never do anything with that account either, I just poke around with it. I have seen old co-workers, jerks from high school, assorted old friends. But anybody that is important to me has my e-mail. It has not changed in 20 years. So I feel no need to give Zuckerberg any pictures or info about myself.
Liberty Belle
(9,538 posts)If Facebook had to pay a settlement that was more money than it made off these companies, this nonsense might stop.
For some people Facebook is valuable and not easy to do without.
As a reporter, I keep track of what the issues are in various communities that I cover, what local candidates are doing or saying, etc. I get input for stories when I need comments. I create invitations to events where I can invite hundreds at a time to fundraisers for our nonprofit. I also keep in touch with a few old friends and family who have moved away.
For some businesses, Facebook is a lifeblood. Many local restaurants, galleries, wineries and bars post their weekly entertainment, classes, and so forth to get customers. Some are barely making ends meet and without that promotion would have a hard time.
Dems in January need to haul Zuckerburg's ass onto the carpet and hold him accountable. Pass new laws with teeth in them if they are violated. There must be a solution short of eliminating Facebook, which is useful for millions of people around the world, maybe billions.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,925 posts)But I don't have a smart phone, and am more and more disinclined ever to get one.
When my son died last year it was Facebook that made it possible to inform all of his many friends of his death, and it was because of Facebook that over 200 people showed up at his memorial less than ten days later.
No, I'm not getting off FB, but I do limit what I post.
mia
(8,363 posts)I love being able to keep up with my family, cousins, friends and acquaintances. Most of them live in far off places and I like seeing what they're interested in now.
The shared history aspect of it all is what value most. There are historical memory pages of the various places where my ancestors once lived. It's interesting to see the old photos and to wonder about what life must have been like for them back then.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1806791499619634/members/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/779324542159457/
So much to learn, so little time.
I could go on and on....
there no real info other than my name on it. didn't even use my real b-date
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Facebook has your contact-list, your geo-location, they know who you are friends with, they know who you follow on Facebook, they know which topics you like on Facebook... Facebook has a file on you and your habits.
This is you.
Your digital fingerprint.
The only thing that is missing is the name of the person who belongs to that fingerprint.
And while Facebook does not know your real-world name, your digital fingerprint can be cross-referenced with the data the other 150 corporations have about you.
How many people do you know who have exactly the same friends as you, exactly the same interests on Facebook as you and who log in from exactly the same IP-adresses as you?
delisen
(6,046 posts)Zuckerberg Zombies: Addicted Users of Facebook; corporate junkies; modern equivalents of Jim Jones' followers and David Koresh followers.
So Facebook apologists, how do you condemn Republican voter suppression, gerrymandering, and collusion with Russia and billionaires to steal elections but not condemn Facebook colluding with Russia and Cambridge Analytica and billionaires to steal an election?
Pod People. Learned helplessness.
Since /zuckerberg refuses to be honest about privacy I challenge Facebook users to each post a warning label on your site that states visitors to your page have no expectation of privacy/
You do have that power.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)get them censured or banned. FB doesn't abide criticism.
cilla4progress
(24,791 posts)but Messenger. You suppose that, too?
Uninstalled.
shanti
(21,675 posts)The last time about 7 years ago. I'll not be going back EVER. I do have a rarely used Twitter account with an alias, which I deactivated yesterday for good measure. Not sure if Twitter is practicing this kind of crap, but it's not worth it to keep.
XRubicon
(2,213 posts)I disabled the app on my phone about 6 months ago. I have been visiting less and less using a web browser. I was already planning to do it but this news pushed me over the edge.
Thinking about dumping Twitter too. I don't really use it much anymore.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)anyone who has any expectation of privacy on social media or on the internet, period, is living in a fool's paradise.
Mosby
(16,401 posts)In fact I don't put any app on my phone that demands location data.
ecstatic
(32,777 posts)And that I did, immediately after purchasing and setting up my phone. Also turned off Instagram, TripAdvisor, and most of the other preinstalled crap. When I'm forced to go on facebook, I use the browser version.
NNadir
(33,582 posts)I'll advise them accordingly. They're students so probably no major harm done.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)clutterbox1830
(395 posts)I would like to quit FB, however, I don't know on another app where to search for and setup public events. Another app like Instagram are more like word of mouth and/or hard to search any random events to do on certain specific days. There are plenty of events I found using that app event calender.
I also use Meetup app too, but sometimes it harder to find groups for people who live in smaller cities. Also I have to pay yearly if I want to setup an event group. If there is another app to look at, I'll give it a try.
klook
(12,173 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)One of them under my own name, one under a made up name. Now I know how some advertiser got the info on my made up name and sent me USPS mail.
I don't have Facebook on my phone and never will.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It tracks you wherever you go. I could list all the things it does, but that's boring. Suffice to say, if you have a google account, and then you to any other website, Google is tracking you. When you input a credit card number, Google keeps it. When you post as "anonymous" to a news article, Google links that post to your account.
Nothing on the internet is secret or private, any more, seems like.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)TeamPooka
(24,285 posts)hueymahl
(2,510 posts)BEST thing I have done in a long time. Even more glad now after the privacy issues have come to light.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)BEST thing I have done in a long time. Even more glad now after the privacy issues have come to light.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)Leith
(7,814 posts)and I've never had it on a phone.
FB is a horrendous con. The only time it was worth spit was after the 2016 election when DU was down. It was nice to keep up with what was happening with the effort to get us back up again.
Still, FB has proven itself to be one of the worst privacy violators on the internet. I refuse to use it again.
dalton99a
(81,671 posts)'I don't miss it at all.' There's life after deleting Facebook, some former users say
Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY Published 8:32 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2018 | Updated 8:32 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2018
SAN FRANCISCO Abbey Fatica joined Facebook in 2004 after graduating from Ohio State, when the social network was for college students only. Soon it became an everyday or even every hour part of her life, constantly tugging at her attention, whether she was posting pictures of her four children, updates from her two businessesor catching up with friends and relatives.
But over the past year, Fatica, a 37-year-old writer who lives outside Columbus, Ohio, began to notice that her anxiety levels rose each time she checked Facebook, especially when her connections shared mommy-shaming articles or disturbing videos from local newscasts.
Last February, Fatica took a month-long break from social media. In retrospect, she says, "that was the beginning of deleting Facebook." In November, she closed her account and never looked back.
"I'm free!" she wrote on Twitter using the hashtag #deletefacebook.
As the giant social network reels from a series of scandals, more Facebook users have begun to question what they are getting out of the relationship. The answer for some: Not enough.
Four in 10 Facebook users ages 18 and older say they've taken a break from checking the platform for several weeks or more, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May and June and released in September. About a quarter say they've deleted the Facebook app from their phone.
klook
(12,173 posts)- Send a homemade post card to a loved one (I send my Mom one every week).
- Create opportunities for in-person human interaction: Join a book club, schedule regular outings or get-togethers with friends or family, do volunteer work, get a plot at a community garden, take a class, etc.
- Call friends and family on the telephone. The real-time interactivity is amazing!
- Learn to play a new musical instrument.
- Post on DU.
- exchange artist trading cards with one or more friends.
- Get an AR headset:
violetpastille
(1,483 posts)1. Have something to say? Print it out on your computer and wheatpaste it!
https://www.instructables.com/id/Wheatpaste/
2.Clean out that center console of your car. All the gum. That lone fry. The straw wrappers..
3. Make eye contact and smile at people. I know. I know. It's a challenge. Try looking at the space between the eyes first.
4. Become conscious of your feet touching the floor. Sometimes that's all it takes to get out of your thoughts and into your body and your surroundings.
5. Meditate on the fact that the fact that you are meditating is changing the world for the better.
lindysalsagal
(20,784 posts)I don't use it to log onto anything else, either.
EarthFirst
(2,905 posts)Its to be assumed that if you are online doing *anything* your every move is being tracked by someone, somewhere.