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Who advised Trump to withdraw from Syria? Mattis didn't, Bolton didn't, (Original Post) Raven Dec 2018 OP
Erdogan EleanorR Dec 2018 #1
OK, but who in this country advised him to do this? Raven Dec 2018 #3
Rand Paul? spinbaby Dec 2018 #5
Secretary of State Kushner? brooklynite Dec 2018 #2
It's Putin and Erdogan Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2018 #4
Winner winner chicken dinner! lark Dec 2018 #7
You nailed it Achilleaze Dec 2018 #8
His Gut? D_Master81 Dec 2018 #6
If he is still thinking about winning the next election then it makes sense. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #9
Definitely not Bolton Polybius Dec 2018 #10

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
4. It's Putin and Erdogan
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:36 AM
Dec 2018

Why did Russia and Turkey put so much effort into influencing Trump and Flynn? For a day like this. Throw in the lifting of sanctions on Deripaska this week and it all makes sense regarding just what those influence efforts were all about. Trump was the perfect target. He's an idiot who thinks he's smarter than everyone else who is also greedy. What more can a foreign power looking to gain influence ask for?

lark

(23,097 posts)
7. Winner winner chicken dinner!
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:43 AM
Dec 2018

This was definitely orchestrated by PUtin and Erdogan to give Turkey what it wants to shut up about murderous MBS & his co-conspirtor, Kushner. drumpf is handing Erdogan the Kurds on a platter and is doing this knowing full well he's killing our best allies in the region. He cares for nobody but himself, is the most disloyal person I've ever heard of.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
9. If he is still thinking about winning the next election then it makes sense.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:54 AM
Dec 2018

In a very messed up way he ran as a populist. I never understood why that word gets such warm feeling from those on the left. More often than not history has shown that politicians running as populists are horrific for the people they serve/rule over.

His base is "ordinary people". It's a group who believes we should withdraw from the world stage and only take care of things at home. They can't point to Syria on a map. They can't point to Iraq on a map. They don't see the connections or have empathy outside of the United States. This is Trumps populist image coming though. It also knocks some of the absolutely horrible news off the front page. He just doesn't think two steps ahead and didn't realize this would also generate news that is negative.

I think Trump saw this as a win all the way around. He has to have help from Russia to win another election. He also has to continue to pay them back for the last election. And don't forget, when he is out of the WH, he is going to need some money in order to make payments on his enormous debt all while continuing his lifestyle. Much of that over the last ten years has come in the form of loans from Russian outlets. It's his revolving line of credit. It also panders to his base as stated above. Like many populists, he knows his base is borderline isolationists.

Guy is just an idiot but these are some of the ways he can come up with such foolishness. Maybe I'm just dumb enough to think at his level.

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