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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:06 PM Dec 2018

Trump is fucking up the Middle East beyond repair

Trump is totally clueless (as usual) of the consequences of pulling U.S. troops out of Syria.

He's fucking the Syrians and the Kurds who aligned with us. Many people will die.

He's opening the door for Russia to move in with no resistance. Many people will die.

He's giving the President of Syria, Bashar El Assad, a free hand to do whatever he wants to whoever he wants to do it to. Many people will die. (And, yes, poison gas will be involved.)

Isis will come together again, take over towns, and kill, rape, plunder anyone and everyone they want to kill, rape and plunder. Many people will die.

Israel's northern border will be more insecure than ever. Many people will die.

The stupidest fucking man in the world is in the White House. Congress can't stop him. The courts can't stop him. His advisers can't stop him.

Donald Trump will go down as one of histories great murderers.

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Trump is fucking up the Middle East beyond repair (Original Post) Cyrano Dec 2018 OP
He handed Syria to Russia and Iran. It's a dream come true for them. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #1
Where does Israel stand with this? C_U_L8R Dec 2018 #2
Yes. Their best buds, TrumpKush fucked them Cyrano Dec 2018 #6
I felt the exact same way when Bush started the wars lunatica Dec 2018 #3
Why should they be any different? GoCubsGo Dec 2018 #4
The USA started ... OldEurope Dec 2018 #5
Yep. This crap started back in the 1950s Cyrano Dec 2018 #11
I doubt he is skilled enough to do any real harm hueymahl Dec 2018 #7
Well folks, Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #8
like it wasn't fucked beyond repair from the git shanny Dec 2018 #9
The Middle East has been FUBAR since the Reagan administration Initech Dec 2018 #10
in all fairness, the middle east has been fubar for a long time 0rganism Dec 2018 #12
We've both helped and hurt the Middle East Cyrano Dec 2018 #14
To be fair, SoCalDem Dec 2018 #13
Or you could say Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #15
You seem to think Syria belongs to us. former9thward Dec 2018 #16

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
2. Where does Israel stand with this?
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:12 PM
Dec 2018

Aren’t they best buds with TrumpKush? Seems theyre fucking everything up for everybody.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
6. Yes. Their best buds, TrumpKush fucked them
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:24 PM
Dec 2018

Why would they be surprised? Trump and his family have fucked everyone they've ever done business with.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. I felt the exact same way when Bush started the wars
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:12 PM
Dec 2018

in Afghanistan and Iraq. It gave birth to Isis which is probably the worst terrorist organization in modern history. Certainly worse than the murderous Al Qaeda.

We should never forget the Bush Era. Never.

OldEurope

(1,273 posts)
5. The USA started ...
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:24 PM
Dec 2018

… to fuck up the Middle East when the CIA helped to install the Pahlevi Shah in Iran in lieu of the elected Prime Minister Mossadegh. Later, there was the Iran-Contra-Scandal, and the Shrub's lies about Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
So it's not only 45.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
11. Yep. This crap started back in the 1950s
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:39 PM
Dec 2018

It was about oil. It's always been about oil.

But today, we produce enough of our own oil to last us until the new technologies (wind and electric power) take over.

Nonetheless, we can't just walk away from the Middle East. We helped to fuck it up and we have an obligation to be part of the solution.

And, yes, that solution may take decades.

But what Trump is doing now is a crime against humanity. And if the Middle East blows up, refugees will flood the world to an even greater extent than is happening now. The ripples will spread and no part of the world will be left untouched.

It's incredible that this one fucking idiot in the White House can turn a terrible situation into an even worse disaster.

hueymahl

(2,496 posts)
7. I doubt he is skilled enough to do any real harm
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:30 PM
Dec 2018

In fact, the US pulling out of the Middle East entirely might be good for it. It can't be much worse than what we have.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Well folks,
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:31 PM
Dec 2018

the Mid East will explode in flames by March. Couple things that will cause this,Oil and Foreign Control of that Oil. Next is Climate Change is playing for keeps here. Whole populations are on the move because of this. The Saudi's have shut down their Irrigation of Wheat fields because of lack of usable ground water,think about it,their wells are pumping Salt Water. And that is just one example of what is going on.

Once you loose your ability to feed the Populace,baby it is all over .

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
9. like it wasn't fucked beyond repair from the git
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:34 PM
Dec 2018
Churchill called the area "an ungrateful volcano" fer gawd's sake

Initech

(100,070 posts)
10. The Middle East has been FUBAR since the Reagan administration
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:36 PM
Dec 2018

And pulling out of Syria definitely isn't helping things.

0rganism

(23,953 posts)
12. in all fairness, the middle east has been fubar for a long time
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:02 PM
Dec 2018

a quasi-feudal region of myriad territorial conflicts going back generations, overlaid with a thick layer of bronze- and iron-age religious fanaticism, embedded in an era of global commerce and nuclear weaponry. what could possibly go wrong?

America has meddled in the middle east for centuries, sometimes helping greatly, sometimes making things unimaginably worse. and sometimes what looks like real help in one era turns out to be the seeds for disaster in the next. at best, it's been a 2-steps-forward-1-step-back proposition.

now we have the stupidest excuse for leadership our democracy has ever come up with, and it's taking a turn at fucking up what's already massively fucked up in the name of unfucking it.

this will obviously go horribly awry, but it will also mark the true end of American hegemony abroad. our nation's influence has been waning since 2016, and will become even less relevant in the years ahead.

Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
14. We've both helped and hurt the Middle East
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 04:20 PM
Dec 2018

George W.s wars made a bad situation worse.

And now, when we thought it couldn't get worserer (made up word) Donald Trump has found a way to fuck up things more. Tens of thousands of people will probably die because of this incredibly ignorant man.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
13. To be fair,
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 03:15 PM
Dec 2018

The Middle East has been F-d up since Lord Balfour's era.. It's been on the ledge threatening to jump for DECADES ....most leaders try to keep it from jumping...but Trump is a "pusher"..

former9thward

(32,004 posts)
16. You seem to think Syria belongs to us.
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 05:01 PM
Dec 2018

It does not. First, the Russians have had a base there for years and no American president is going to dislodge them from it. How many Americans are you willing to have die to try? People have been dying in the Mideast for decades now. Some, certainly not all, can be laid at the feet of American foreign policy -- which BTW has been totally bipartisan in that area since the end of WW I.

It was not the U.S. --- It was Britain and France who divided up the Mideast according to their interests after WW I. It is those two nations who are responsible for most of the deaths in the Mideast. Not the U.S.

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