*Just heard on PBSNewsHour House repugs just added $5bill for wall;

[elleng]

senate next, I guess.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Yep, that's where it'll die, in the Senate. n/t

[NutmegYankee]

2. senate can't.

They don't have the votes.

[PubliusEnigma]

3. There are not 60 votes in the Senate. End of story.

[bluestarone]

4. Can senate change the rules?

Something up their sleeve?

[elleng]

6. Both houses change rules at beginning of sessions,

so I doubt it, but congressional rules is an abyss I'm not familiar with!

[at140]

5. Wikipedia says budget can be passed by simple majority???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)

Now I am confused!

[elleng]

8. House or Senate? Prolly House.

[at140]

12. Here is the 1st paragraph there...

"Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Congress that allows expedited passage of certain budgetary legislation on spending, revenues, and the federal debt limit with a simple majority vote in both the House (218 votes) and Senate (51 votes). Senate rules prohibit filibustering and impose a 20-hour cap on the total time for debate, motions and amendments related to reconciliation bills. The procedure also exists in the House of Representatives, but the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendments, so reconciliation has had a less significant impact on that body.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)

[elleng]

13. THANKS!

[maxrandb]

14. They can't use reconciliation in this case

they will need 60 votes in the Senate and they aren't getting them.

It's DOA

[honest.abe]

15. Nope. They need 60 votes.

It will fail in the Senate.

[Cha]

16. Thank Goodness.

[honest.abe]

17. Theoretically they could have structured the bill...

in such a way where they just needed simple majority but they didn't do that for some reason. Not entirely sure why but yes thank goodness!

[Cha]

19. Mahalo for explaining

that so well, honest.abe.

I guess time will tell why they didn't structure it that way. wow!

[Raven123]

7. Was this done in part as a response to the Pelosi-Teump encounter?

Didn't they argue over voting on this issue when Trump, Pelosi and Shumer met last week?

[malaise]

9. Yep

Bare farce

[elleng]

10. They disagreed over it then.

This appears to be response to trump's temper tantrum(s.)

[tblue37]

18. Trump did it in response to being criticized on FOX and by Coulter and Limbaugh.

He watches FOX on TV and listens to RW radio and then reacts--usually by tweet--to whatever they say.

[EffieBlack]

20. It had nothing to do with what Pelosi said to him last week

She told him he didn't have the votes, but if he thought he did, hold the vote. He did nothing for a week and had no intention of holding a vote - because he didn't have the votes - UNTIL the right wing went medieval on him today. THAT'S when he pulled out all the stops, called in his favors, made who knows what kind of threats to get exactly the number of votes he needed - 217 and not one more - to drag this thing over the line.

[Raven123]

22. So it seems

Given the way he was outclassed by Pelosi, I just wondered if he didn't stew over it and push to prove her wrong. However I saw reports that Pence assured everyone Trump would sign the CR, so I believe you are correct. He simply caved to the extremists. Still may have been outmaneuvered as now those who voted for the wall are on record and will be stuck with that vote in 2020. Not all are from far right districts I'm guessing. The Senate vote should be interesting

[Roland99]

11. AP article

The Latest: House approves wall funding as shutdown nears

https://t.co/n2NwqBjC1j

[Maru Kitteh]

21. what evs.

there will be no wall