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highplainsdem

(48,975 posts)
Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:13 PM Dec 2018

In 2014, Mattis Said What Would Make Him Resign In Protest. In 2018, He Actually Did It

https://taskandpurpose.com/mattis-resign-protest/


In 2003, Mattis was the commanding general of the 1st Marine Division. He was ordered into Iraq in March and led his division to victory over Baghdad. But privately, he knew going to war against Saddam Hussein probably wasn’t the best call.

“I think people were pretty much aware that the US military didn’t think it was a very wise idea,” he said in 2015, before being named Defense Secretary. “But we give a cheery ‘Aye aye, Sir.’ Because when you elect someone commander in chief — we give our advice. We generally give it in private.”

Mattis, like many other generals before the war, offered his advice to then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the problems of going into Iraq. This frank advice is expected of high-ranking military officers, but ultimately it’s up to the civilian leadership to make the decision.

Still, seven retired generals eventually came out publicly against Rumsfeld in 2007 in what was dubbed “the generals’ revolt.” Mattis, still on active duty at the time, was not among them.

Later, during his April 2014 talk in San Francisco, he was asked specifically about whether there was a scenario in which he may have retired in protest. Mattis allowed some unethical orders and other scenarios that would lead him to do so, but he said, “you have to be very careful about doing that. The lance corporals can’t retire. They’re going. That’s all there is to it.”

He added: “You abandon him only under the most dire circumstances, where the message you have to send can be sent no other way. I never confronted that situation.”

In Dec. 2018, it looks like he finally did.
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In 2014, Mattis Said What Would Make Him Resign In Protest. In 2018, He Actually Did It (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2018 OP
It does look like he finally did blue-wave Dec 2018 #1
The Lance Corporals are faced with a different reality, EarnestPutz Dec 2018 #2
In Rude Pundit's words.. Cha Dec 2018 #3
Thanks! Was just seaeching for said copy. Damn, one leaves for a couple of hours to run errands & RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2018 #4
You're Welcome.. Cha Dec 2018 #5
Everybody but a sociopath (aka Trump) has a moral red line NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #6
need more people resigning Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #7

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
1. It does look like he finally did
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:33 AM
Dec 2018

and we are stuck with this shit show of an administration (using the term loosely). The closer Mueller gets, the more tRump undermines our country. Every American citizen who still supports tRump, it's all on you now. It's time for the rest of us to demand he step down from office.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
2. The Lance Corporals are faced with a different reality,
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:37 AM
Dec 2018

They are not going to war, but coming home from a war.
But they still get Mattis's message loud and clear. A leader we respect
thinks this is wrong, that we are abandoning allies that we have
made a commitment to, and our Commander -in-Chief is playing
politics with us,

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
4. Thanks! Was just seaeching for said copy. Damn, one leaves for a couple of hours to run errands &
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:54 AM
Dec 2018

....all hell breaks out!

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
6. Everybody but a sociopath (aka Trump) has a moral red line
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 01:02 AM
Dec 2018

Mattis finally found his. I disagreed with him about almost everything, but he was the only remaining adult in the room.

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