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Trump Wall Gofundme is at over $11 Million as of 8 am.... (Original Post) Ghost in the Machine Dec 2018 OP
Fools and their $$ warrior1 Dec 2018 #1
Yeah, its amazing that there are people this stupid. ooky Dec 2018 #8
This guy running it lunasun Dec 2018 #2
Almost at the billion dollar goal! In how many years? Croney Dec 2018 #3
He'll certainly try to appropriate it rusty fender Dec 2018 #32
Russia too, and Iliyah Dec 2018 #4
+1 2naSalit Dec 2018 #20
I bet it is being used to launder Rubles DBoon Dec 2018 #26
I predict this will end as well for the donors as Trump University did for its students. tanyev Dec 2018 #5
I seriously doubt those 183,160 are Americans or even real people Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #6
Chickenfeed. Scarsdale Dec 2018 #7
There's a counter GOFUNDME for . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #9
I saw this yesterday. I think it is beyond awesome. dewsgirl Dec 2018 #11
A little over $60 on average....from 183,000+ Deplorables. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #10
Simple math, I think PJMcK Dec 2018 #12
A real life lesson for them on why taxes are necessary to fund expenses for the nation. tanyev Dec 2018 #15
Don't you love the smell of a scam in the morning? Vinca Dec 2018 #13
A little over 1% funded! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #14
Chuck Schumer gave $20 per the list of donors KewlKat Dec 2018 #16
some really high donations in there D_Master81 Dec 2018 #17
Good. Only 989 million to go. Dumbasses. apcalc Dec 2018 #18
None A HERETIC I AM Dec 2018 #29
Excuse My Inconvenient Math But... ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #19
Up almost $300,000 in the last hour... n/t Ghost in the Machine Dec 2018 #21
Only $989,000,000.00 left to go! Shell_Seas Dec 2018 #22
I just see it as a stupid person tax. smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #23
Well, all they need to do is repeat that 99 more times. MineralMan Dec 2018 #24
I have seen estimates of 70 billion for the wall. panader0 Dec 2018 #25
Frankly I could care less. What I'm more concerned w/ is that rump is going to make a run... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #27
The Govt. can't use money raised like that for "specific" purposes. Cattledog Dec 2018 #28
Oh! rownesheck Dec 2018 #30
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Dec 2018 #31

Croney

(4,659 posts)
3. Almost at the billion dollar goal! In how many years?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:15 AM
Dec 2018

Even though the site says they'll refund all the money if they don't get close to the billion, I'm wondering if it will end up in the orange rat's private sewer after all.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
32. He'll certainly try to appropriate it
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 01:50 PM
Dec 2018

like he tried to appropriate the money raised for his inauguration. Come to think of it, he might have actually funneled inauguration funds to his business; but he may not be successful in this if the investigation results in an indictment

Farmer-Rick

(10,163 posts)
6. I seriously doubt those 183,160 are Americans or even real people
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:17 AM
Dec 2018

You know Russia is Trump's banker and real good with the Internet. How much you bet they are pumping this in exchange for pulling out of Syria.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
7. Chickenfeed.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:17 AM
Dec 2018

That amount is nowhere close to what tRump's "cut" of the billions in taxpayer $$$$ that he is asking for. He is screaming because he is losing this battle, and that f'ing money is for HIM.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
9. There's a counter GOFUNDME for . . .
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:22 AM
Dec 2018

ladders to breach the Wall. Started as a joke on Hoarse Whisperer's twitter feed, and then people started donating.

The whole thing is insane.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,417 posts)
10. A little over $60 on average....from 183,000+ Deplorables.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:24 AM
Dec 2018

Only need another 16,500,000 Goobers or so to do the same and they've got their Billion.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
12. Simple math, I think
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:36 AM
Dec 2018

So they've raised $12 million.

If I've done the math correctly, that's something like .2% of the $5 billion Trump wants.

Keep at it, kids!


ETA: If my math is wrong, someone please correct me!

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
13. Don't you love the smell of a scam in the morning?
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:38 AM
Dec 2018

That would be a good place for the Nigerian prince to get his next email address list.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
17. some really high donations in there
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:42 AM
Dec 2018

If you click on the tab to see the highest donations there is one for $50,000 and several more for $10,000 or more. At least 10 of $5000 or more. I think this slows down over the next few days now, it went viral a couple days ago and I believe the founder made an appearance on Fox. They got the initial push of excitement and now we'll see if it sustains anything. Plus, these large donations made it go up quickly, will these people continue to donate or are they done. when people are giving thousands it goes up quickly, when the $50 people are all they have, that number will slow significantly.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
18. Good. Only 989 million to go. Dumbasses.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:43 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)

And then what? What government agency can accept it?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
29. None
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:41 AM
Dec 2018

From the Facebook page of Jim Wright/“Stonekettle Station”;



Update 12/20/18 18:52: Kolfage's gofundme is at nearly $9 Million now.
________________________

U.S. Constitution Article I "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law."

A guy name Brian Kolfage started a GoFundMe to raise $1 Billion to build Trump's wall.

Now, I know who Kolfage is. I'm not going to talk about that, yet. Let's just say he's known to those of us who keep an eye on this sort of thing, and this isn't the first time he's raised money online for one of his causes. If you're thinking about donating, maybe look into those and see were the money went. Or ask him.

That said, how does this work?

Leaving aside the ironic part where a bunch of ultra conservatives, who think taxes are theft, are now handing over MORE of their money to an internet scheme that alleges it will gift that money to the GOVERNMENT for some boondoggle project than they ever got back from Trump's tax break give-away to billionaires ... how does this work?

How does it work?

Let's say this is on the up and up. Sure. At the moment the donation drive is just a bit under $5 million. That's about one half of 1% of Kolfage's stated goal. It took him three days to get that far. At the rate he's going, in just about 2 years he'll have reached his $1 billion goal, which is about 1/25th of what it's estimated the wall will actually cost.

So, two years from now, Kolfage has $1 billion that he's going to give to the US government to build a wall along the US/Mexico border (or "boarder" in Trumpspeak).

What's the mechanism?

I mean, you CAN give money to the US Treasury. And people do.

There's a whole US Treasury department for handling such donations.

The Bureau of the Fiscal Service:

"Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called 'Gifts to the United States.'"

"This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs."

Wait, what was that last bit?

"These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Funds Management Branch
P.O. Box 1328
Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328"

No, no. Back up, what was that bit about "general use by the federal government?"

Oh, yeah. That.

You can donate money to the federal government, but you can't specify how the government spends it.

The government can't accept financial gifts with conditions. Thus, that line about "unconditional gift."

You can give the money to the US. But you can't put conditions on it.

If you put conditions on the donation, the government can't accept it. By law.

CONGRESS decides how to spend the money. Congress can ONLY spend money through legislation, which the president must sign into law.

It's right there in the Constitution.

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 7: "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time."

By law, Congress controls the power of the purse.

It IS possible to use private money to fund public works. The Washington Monument was repaired with both Public and Private money. Famously, billionaire David Rubenstein donated $7.5 million dollars to the effort. HOWEVER, that process was a complex financial arrangement between US Park Service and the nonprofit Trust for the National Mall and required that congress pass special legislation. Rebenstein didn't just roll up and hand over a check to the US Treasury.

And funding of repairs to a national monument is vastly, vastly different from private funding of NATIONAL DEFENSE.

Now, I suppose you COULD attempt to do an end run around this. Republicans have tried such in the past. Oh yes. You remember, right? Sure you do. The Iran-Contra Affair, when Congress declined to fund Reagan's war in Nicaragua.

So, members of the Reagan Administration -- chief among them the guy who is nowadays the president of the National Rifle Association -- secretly raised money through private donations, set up dozens of dummy corporations, illegally sold US military arms to IRAN, in order to fund the Contras in Nicaragua using money that Congress had no control over and no knowledge of.

Remind me, how did that work out?

The power of the Purse is one of THE primary Checks and Balances of our government. It's one of the primary methods of constraining presidential power.

Congress decides how the money is spent for a REASON.

Private funding of National Security would be an end run around EVERYTHING the Constitution was designed to prevent.

Congress decides how the money is spent.

Half of Congress is the House.

The House, which will be a Democratic Party majority in just over two weeks.

And will remain a Democratic Party majority at least until the next election -- which if you were paying attention, is about the same time period it will take for this GoFundMe to raise $1 billion if the current rate holds (spoiler: it won't).

Now, the GoFundMe says that if it doesn't reach its goal, or Kolfage CAN'T force the government to only spend the money on a wall, he'll give all the money back. Every penny. That's what he said. And maybe he even means it this time.

But the timing is interesting.

He'll have (perhaps) a billion dollars donated by hard line conservatives. Millions, at the very least.

Right before the 2020 election.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
19. Excuse My Inconvenient Math But...
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 09:47 AM
Dec 2018

... at this rate of gathering, it will take one full year to get to billion, using the wildly unlikely assumption that rate won't slow as the novelty wears off.
Then it's only 4% of what is needed
So to actually build the wall, they need constant rate collection for 25 years!
Seems a poor business plan

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
24. Well, all they need to do is repeat that 99 more times.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 10:49 AM
Dec 2018

Then, they'd have $1 Billion and change. Then they just have to duplicate that five more times to get to $5 Billion.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
25. I have seen estimates of 70 billion for the wall.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 10:59 AM
Dec 2018

First, it will never be built. The geography is impossible.
Second, it would be an environmental disaster.
Third, would you build the wall in the middle of the Rio Grande,
or just cede the river to Mexico?
Fourth, the ranchers and farmers in Texas don't want it. I live near the line,
and no one here in Az wants it.
Many more reasons. It will never be built. Mexico will never pay for it.
Ridiculous and racist.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
27. Frankly I could care less. What I'm more concerned w/ is that rump is going to make a run...
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:16 AM
Dec 2018

for the money raised and stick it in his pocket. Just wait, too much money sitting on the table for him or his cronies/family to resist. Either he'll come out w/ a story that he'll personally take care of the money for the wall so 'it'll get done' or one of his family members will shepherd the wall through supposedly, thus needs the money to 'start'...OR he'll admit it's not enough money so he'll take it in for 'campaign' uses.

All totally illegal.

Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
28. The Govt. can't use money raised like that for "specific" purposes.
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:20 AM
Dec 2018

It can only go to the "general" fund and can only be distributed by Congress.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
30. Oh!
Fri Dec 21, 2018, 12:22 PM
Dec 2018

what would be awesome is if Congress distributed the money to planned parenthood and organizations who help immigrants become citizens.

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