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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:54 PM Dec 2018

Ted Lieu: COLLUSION!

Ted Lieu @tedlieu 37m37 minutes ago
GOP & @realDonaldTrump used Michael Cohen's denials that he was never in Prague to cast aspersions on the damning Steele Dossier, which stated Cohen was in Prague meeting with Russians in 2016.

Why are folks leaking this info? Maybe because the Steele Dossier has lots of truth.



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Ted Lieu: COLLUSION! (Original Post) bigtree Dec 2018 OP
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's side leaked this to get ahead of it. manor321 Dec 2018 #1
They're Not That Smart OMGWTF Dec 2018 #41
Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America. This is the charge, right DU lawyers? Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #2
Yet, the right still says they see no evidence. Shell_Seas Dec 2018 #3
To be fair, they only watch fox and breitbart so they actually havent seen any other than Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #5
+1, this is 75% of the reason they support him imho !!! uponit7771 Dec 2018 #34
Philip Bump from April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant. bigtree Dec 2018 #4
How you know if they are lying, other than their lips are moving, is how adamant they are Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #6
some fixer bigtree Dec 2018 #7
So is the assumption that cohen has told mueller the truth about this and they have Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #9
I always take heed of what Ted says on Russia bigtree Dec 2018 #16
And THIS is why he said it Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #18
Prob used it stupidly, like calling his apartment or office phone to check for messages. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #15
If he just turned on the phone, to perhaps check his contacts list, the phone CharleyDog Dec 2018 #29
kinda but not really. mopinko Dec 2018 #27
+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Dec 2018 #26
Seeking out the help of an American adversary who says they are at war with us. ffr Dec 2018 #8
Maybe not treason, but possibly Rebellion or insurrection Xipe Totec Dec 2018 #13
Lieu 2020!!! Catch2.2 Dec 2018 #10
Unfortunately hes Taiwanese American Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #24
Even Trump's internet troll pals will have no response Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #11
I am assuming Cohen told all that to Mueller already? AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #12
Right, so Mueller already knows all of this. Shell_Seas Dec 2018 #30
I am sure that had Mueller humbled_opinion Dec 2018 #39
Has Cohen admitted to the Prague trip? Renew Deal Dec 2018 #14
No he hasn't. In fact Lani Davis doubled down on the no trip to Prague OnDoutside Dec 2018 #17
Natasha Bertrand weighed in on Lanny's denials bigtree Dec 2018 #19
Thanks, that's very interesting. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #42
Didn't Cohen's wife go with him to Europe that summer? FakeNoose Dec 2018 #46
One thing we can be sure, is that Mueller knows it all. It's going to come out. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #47
I Love Ted Lieu! calimary Dec 2018 #20
Kick and rec. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #21
Kick dalton99a Dec 2018 #22
Kick. Tactical Peek Dec 2018 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2018 #25
...a lonely German from Prague! 0rganism Dec 2018 #28
1+ alfredo Dec 2018 #37
I don't follow this. This is old news, isn't it? It's still not clear whether Cohen was in Prague? Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #31
COLLUSION....call it out. Hulk Dec 2018 #32
Why are folks leaking this info? hughee99 Dec 2018 #33
Yes. Google "Trump Traitor" alfredo Dec 2018 #40
Please be true ! Pepsidog Dec 2018 #35
Investigation enid602 Dec 2018 #36
The righty's have lost it. humbled_opinion Dec 2018 #38
Maybe they're trying to distract us with Prague, to keep us from paying attention pnwmom Dec 2018 #43
Kick! red dog 1 Dec 2018 #44
He was using shooting someone in the middle of 5th Ave. as cover! czarjak Dec 2018 #45

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
5. To be fair, they only watch fox and breitbart so they actually havent seen any other than
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:09 PM
Dec 2018

the ten millions times they have seen rump commit treason on live TV several different occasions.

I know, we arent at war. WHAT do you CALL it when your president sides with our enemy at the COST of our country?

I know what you/they would call it if a democrat did a fraction of this...




Elon Musk would get a phone call from said democrat:

Said Democrat: "Elon, I have commited multiple crimes including emoluments clause, lying under oath, obstructing justice and working with a foreign government to influence an election, can you build me a spaceship because the ONLY place I will be safe is Mars?"

Elon Musk: "Sure, just send me a check"

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
4. Philip Bump from April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:08 PM
Dec 2018
Philip Bump @pbump 2h2 hours ago
From April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.

It suggests that Cohen took over management of the relationship with Russia after campaign chairman Paul Manafort was fired from the campaign in August (because of questions about his relationship with a political party in Ukraine). Cohen is said to have met secretly with people in Prague — possibly at the Russian Center for Science and Culture — in the last week of August or the first of September. He allegedly met with representatives of the Russian government, possibly including officials of the Presidential Administration Legal Department; Oleg Solodukhin (who works with the Russian Center for Science and Culture); or Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign relations committee in the upper house of parliament. A planned meeting in Moscow, the dossier alleges, was considered too risky, given that a topic of conversation was how to divert attention from Manafort’s links to Russia and a trip to Moscow by Carter Page in July. Another topic of conversation, according to the dossier: allegedly paying off “Romanian hackers” who had been targeting the Clinton campaign...

Cohen showed his passport to BuzzFeed. The only travel into the proper area indicated by passport stamps was a trip to and from Italy from July 9 to 17. But note that this is too early for Steele’s time frame — and for the assertion that it was a response to the firing of Manafort. How Cohen would have gotten to Prague is still unclear.

But this contradiction between a clear allegation from the Steele dossier and the assertion that it wasn’t true by Cohen and Trump helped drive the idea that the dossier was broadly discredited shortly after its release. Pick out the Prague trip and nothing that follows could have happened. Put the Prague trip back into the mix? A lot of the other parts of that allegation now become possible.* What’s more, it undermines the credibility of those who insisted that the claim was completely without merit.

Look at it another way: If the central conceit of the Steele’s claim were accurate — that Cohen was working with agents of the Russian government directly to aid Trump’s candidacy — it would be very hard to argue that no collusion took place. That likely requires Cohen’s having been in Prague.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/14/michael-cohen-visiting-prague-would-be-a-huge-development-in-the-russia-investigation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00e73df19049

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
6. How you know if they are lying, other than their lips are moving, is how adamant they are
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:12 PM
Dec 2018

that something isnt true.

Is there a way he could have taken this trip without a trail of any kind?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
9. So is the assumption that cohen has told mueller the truth about this and they have
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:23 PM
Dec 2018

confirmed it somehow?

I know that is the hope by patriots like myself but are we reading into what Ted is saying etc? Give me hope, I need it.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
16. I always take heed of what Ted says on Russia
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:44 PM
Dec 2018

...because like several others on key committees, he's seen and heard evidence which is still percolating in the Mueller probe.

When he says here that, "the Steele Dossier has lots of truth," I believe he speaks from personal knowledge of its unredacted contents.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
18. And THIS is why he said it
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:46 PM
Dec 2018
A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.

The phone and surveillance data, which have not previously been disclosed, lend new credence to a key part of a former British spy’s dossier of Kremlin intelligence describing purported coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia’s election meddling operation.


https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html

Fucking a...love it

CharleyDog

(757 posts)
29. If he just turned on the phone, to perhaps check his contacts list, the phone
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:27 PM
Dec 2018

might ping the tower to "check in" as cell phones are wont to do.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
13. Maybe not treason, but possibly Rebellion or insurrection
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:34 PM
Dec 2018

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
12. I am assuming Cohen told all that to Mueller already?
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:31 PM
Dec 2018

that he was in Prague and exactly what he was doing there?

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
39. I am sure that had Mueller
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:49 PM
Dec 2018

known Cohen was in Prague it would certainly have been one of the written questions that would require an answer, so there is that.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
17. No he hasn't. In fact Lani Davis doubled down on the no trip to Prague
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:45 PM
Dec 2018

Story, a couple of weeks ago.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
19. Natasha Bertrand weighed in on Lanny's denials
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:50 PM
Dec 2018
Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @Zigmanfreud @Isikoff

I mean, if Trump tasked Cohen with paying off Russians in Prague then Cohen is not the big fish here that Mueller would want. Prague is the biggest piece of the puzzle yet and it may have been Cohen’s leverage with the SCO—I’m not surprised that Lanny would continue to deny it.


twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1078338938111213578

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
46. Didn't Cohen's wife go with him to Europe that summer?
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 09:24 PM
Dec 2018

Cohen's original story was that they went to Italy on vacation for their anniversary or something. He def said his wife was with him. Maybe she had the burner phone and maybe he used her phone so he wouldn't be traced? I hope Mueller has a way to check the GPS tracking on her phone. Then it wouldn't matter what he says - the GPS would tell the story.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. I don't follow this. This is old news, isn't it? It's still not clear whether Cohen was in Prague?
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:01 PM
Dec 2018

Doesn't Cohen still maintain he never went to Prague?

That the GOP & Trump used his denials against the dossier...that's old news, isn't it? Did something bring this up again recently?

UPDATE:
I found it. Apparently today it's being reported that some pings of Cohen's cell phone were discovered in the Prague area in late 2016, indicating that Cohen may have been in Prague. That would support the Trump-Russia connection.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-report-suggests-michael-cohen-was-prague-key-2016-moment

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
32. COLLUSION....call it out.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:02 PM
Dec 2018

...and throw in TRAITOR while you are at it.

Let’s learn something from the reich wingers, and that is “if you say it loud and often, it sticks in people’s heads. He is also a COWARD and a LIAR. Keep putting the labels to him. The “TRAITOR in chief”...the COWARD who sleeps in the White House. The LIAR who is single handedly destroying the America that too hundreds of years to build. In just two short years he has pissed all over our reputation and respect around the world. It was a mixed bag at bestbefore he arrived. He shit on it and lit a match.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
33. Why are folks leaking this info?
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:08 PM
Dec 2018

Hasn’t this been known for about 2 years that the Steele dossier claims Cohen made a trip to Prague in the summer of 16?

enid602

(8,616 posts)
36. Investigation
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:30 PM
Dec 2018

This investigation could so easily have gone the way of the Warren Report or the 911 Report. Or Fitzmas.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
38. The righty's have lost it.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:47 PM
Dec 2018

I brought this report up to some Trumpets at my job and they told me that this was proof of Hillary's conspiracy to frame Trump, no shit they somehow now believe that Steele cloned Cohen's phone and used it in Prague in order to get evidence to Corroborate his dossier, LOL SMH.

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