Trump Throws A Tantrum As Just 25% Of Americans Support His Childish Border Wall Shutdown

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By SEAN COLAROSSI at Politicus USA

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/12/27/trump-tantrum-border-wall-shutdown-poll.html

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Donald Trump’s childish shutdown over border wall funding appears to have backfired miserably, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The survey found that just 25 percent of the country believes it was a good idea to shut down the federal government over the president’s fantasy to build a barrier on the southern border.

Overall, a combined total of 54 percent of the country blames Trump (47 percent) and congressional Republicans (7 percent) for the shutdown. Just 33 percent think Democratic lawmakers are responsible.

To make matters worse for the president, only 35 percent of those surveyed believe that taxpayer dollars should be included in the budget to fund his border wall.


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[still_one]

1. The Democrats should say if you want your wall, give us Medicare for All

[gratuitous]

6. Nope

Health care is going to have to wait, I'm sorry to say. I don't want Trump crowing about how he "fixed" Obamacare for the next two years, and lighting $5 billion on fire for his crackpot wall isn't a good idea no matter how you slice it. Despite their best efforts, Republicans haven't destroyed the Affordable Care Act, and it's proven more durable than they suspected.

In 2021, I think we'll have a Democrat in the White House and Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate. I trust the Democrats far more than the Republicans to put together legislation that makes health care a right instead of a profit center. I want Trump to spend two years gnashing his teeth about the opportunity he squandered for two years because he was too petulant to take advantage of a Republican Congress.

It's going to be tough waiting two years, but I don't trust the Republican any further than I could caber-toss the Washington Monument.

[still_one]

8. If they hypothetically actually agreed to do Medicare for all in trade for their stupid wall you

would reject that?

Health care is going to have to wait, just because you are concerned that he will he will have bragging rights that he fixed the ACA

Unbelievable.

First of all they won't go for Medicare for all anyway, but if they did, it would be a trade well worth it.

As for your view that the ACA is so durable, perhaps you haven't been observing just how unaffordable the premiums have risen because of the uncertainty generated by the republicans, and the removal of the mandate in 2019. Because of that, enrollment is down 13% from last year, and even if the SC rules the ACA is Constitutional without the mandate, without that mandate, insurance companies will stop insuring thought the ACA, and those that remain, because of less competition, the premiums will go even higher.

The only way the ACA will succeed is with the mandate, because it pools both healthy and not healthy people together. Without that mandate the ACA will last three years because those insurance companies that remain will have to increase their premiums significantly higher, since less healthy people will sign up.

[trev]

9. My premiums

have increased for 2019.

[still_one]

11. You are darn right they have, and a good part of that is in anticipation of the mandate removal, and

less people signing up for the ACA

[GulfCoast66]

10. Nothing will happen on healthcare unless we control all branches of government

And when we do I think many on DU are going to be surprised at how many liberal Democrats do not see Medicare for all as a solution. Especially when if in the majority we could easily turn the ACA into a great tool for delivering Universal Healthcare. Which is a goal all democrats support as seen in our last platform.

[still_one]

15. I was posing a hypothetical. The reality is the republicans woulnd't go for Medicare for all, but

I suggested if that was the bargaining chip, it would be well worth his stupid wall.

Reality though is that it won't happen.

I was using Medicare for all as a suggestion. Instead they could use Universal Healthcare, but they aren't going to go for that either.

As for your argument that the ACA would provide a good first step toward universal healthcare, so would Medicare

but in the end I am well aware it won't happen, and you are also right that unless we control all 3 branches of government nothing will happen with healthcare, though because of the mandate, there is a very high likelihood that the ACA is going to have significant issues surviving in the next three years because premiums will sky rocket even higher without the mandate, and a lot of insurance companies won't participate in the ACA because it won't be cost effective the mandate

[GulfCoast66]

18. Can't disagree with most of that.

If the ACA starts crashing it is on the Republicans and they know it. We own the healthcare party label now going into the future. It might be possible with us in the house to get the Senate to go along with band-aids for the ACA until 2020. If we don’t win in 20 it is all academic anyway.

[still_one]

20. Exactly, it will be on the republicans if the ACA implodes because of their actions

[TeamPooka]

21. It's also about using this "crisis' as a means of messaging our values to the public. MFA is one

of those values.
It doesn't matter if you expect to get it or not.
That's what trump is doing and we should do it back.
it's a PR war.

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13. I don't trust the Republicans to deliver on any agreement

I'm not sure why that's a difficult concept at this point. Setting $5 billion on fire in addition to an empty promise from Trump and the Republicans? Gee, why don't we jump at that deal? It's not like Majority Leader McConnell has ever done anything unethical or against Senate norms, traditions, procedures, and collegiality. Or that Trump routinely makes a promise Monday that he totally reneges on Tuesday. Let's go for it!

[still_one]

17. I don't trust them either. The hypothetical I am suggesting is that they do Medicare for ALL FIRST,

then they can have their stupid wall.

No way would I suggest we fund the wall first. that we agree on.

However, in the end none of that is going to happen, and I think we both know it.

One thing that is probable, unless the mandate is restored, the ACA will have trouble surviving the next two to three years, because without the mandate the only way for insurance companies to be part of the ACA, and have it cost effective is by significantly higher premiums

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14. 'caber-toss the Washington Monument' LOL!

[empedocles]

2. Pelosi knows how to play this one.

[Thomas Hurt]

3. Offer five billion for immigration judges and attorneys

and inspectors for our internment camps

[applegrove]

4. Pediatricians too. A group of them was offering their services to the

border authorities and now have a chance to be heard now that that second child died. Was on CBC radio.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

5. Mexico. He said Mexico would pay for it.

[Volaris]

16. Lol. My Dirty Liberal counter to that would have been to

Offer Statehood to everything between the Rio Grande and South America.

Because fuck him and his xenophobic base.

[UniteFightBack]

7. That's all he cares about is that 25% because without them he's done. nt

[sakabatou]

12. Say the wall is completely invisible and Trump may actually believe it

[blaze]

19. Just like the stealth fighter jets!

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