House Democrats Should Stick to Their Guns.

[MineralMan]

Keep continued government funding completely separate from the Wall or "Border Security," as Trump is now euphemizing it.

Re-fund the government and get federal employees back to work, but handle that other stuff as the separate issue it really is.

Just do that, and stick to it.

[beachbum bob]

1. I don't see Pelosi wavering on anything at this point, trump is taking most the blame and GOP

too.

Let'err ride for a month or so

[MineralMan]

3. I agree. The House plans to pass a bill

immediately - on Thursday. Then, off to the Senate it goes. Democrats will vote for continued funding. If Republicans don't or Trump vetos, that's on them. Democrats will have done their job.

That's the only way to handle this. Make the Republicans own their action.

[Igel]

7. So what you're saying is

if it hurts federal workers and the government's shut down, as long as the (R) get the blame, that's fine. It's a reasonable price to pay for not trying to find middle ground and scoring political points?

[Hekate]

16. LOL. Where exactly do you think that "middle ground" is with Trump's GOP? Sadly, it died...

...about the time President Obama nominated an excellent jurist (who they claimed would be acceptable) and then just chose to stonewall Obama and not even grant the nominee the courtesy of an office visit, much less a hearing in the Senate.

Actually, it died long before.

Americans who are being hurt by this shutdown are being hurt by Trump and his GOP enablers. Never forget that. Never concede the point. Never let them frame the debate.

[manor321]

2. We can't give in to bullies. Otherwise it will be two years of threats.

[MineralMan]

4. Let the Republicans hang themselves through their own inaction.

Separate CR funding from the border issue. It's so simple.

[Igel]

10. I've tended to long think

that CRs should be separate from pretty much every other issue.

Want an actual budget, talk. Hammer out a deal. But to keep the status quo? It was good enough before, it's good enough now, unless something on the ground has changed--revenue's have fallen by 10%, FEMA needs an additional $20 billion to handle a massive flea outbreak in Minnesota or Belize has invaded and occupied the Pacific Northwest, for some ludicrous examples.

I really don't care who's the majority or in the WH when it comes to that. Everything else, on both sides, involves hostage taking, playing political games with employees' lives.

[TheBlackAdder]

11. Yep, any deal will be shown as Dem weakness, Trump strength. Also, Trump might renege again.

.

Trump can't be trusted, and any deal stands the risk of him playing Dems again.

If an agreement is made, he'll cancel it, saying it's not good enough.

.

[Bleacher Creature]

5. I agree, and I also sense that there could be a veto proof majority in the House for a clean CR.

Maybe even in the Senate, although I doubt McConnell would allow for a vote.

[BeyondGeography]

6. See "Mexico" for Wall funding

Any q’s, ask Don.

[TheBlackAdder]

8. They'd better. The slightest capitulation would be presented as Trump winning, Dems caving.

[edhopper]

9. how about adding language

that says wall will be built once funds from Mexico are secured.

[Dirty Socialist]

12. "The Art of The Deal"

A book that rings as hollow as any book ever written. Trump will have to settle for less.

[MineralMan]

14. As far as the wall goes, he's going to have to settle for nothing at all.

Nancy Pelosi is going to nail him on that.

[Wounded Bear]

13. Trump can not be trusted to keep any promise he makes...

so yeah, just do what needs to be done, and let the Repub chips fall where they may. It seems a bit less likely that the media will let the Repubs control the messaging this time around, unlike the early Obama years.

[pecosbob]

15. Damn the torpedoes! Four bells. Captain Drayton, go ahead! Jouett, full speed!

[mcar]

17. Particularly with Kelly's admission today

That the wall has been a nothing burger for a long time.

Dotard shut down govt for nothing.