U heard it here 1st: Biden/Harris vs. Kasich/Haley

[Funtatlaguy]

My crystal ball says that Biden will run 🏃 and win Dem nom and pick Harris as Veep.
My crystal ball also says that Trump will be forced to resign after Mueller report.
The so called “moderate” wing of GOP will take charge and nominate Kasich w/Haley as Veep.

Trumps followers will be angry at the GOP for forcing him out.
Most of them sit out the 2020 race.
Biden/Harris win both electoral college and popular vote by large margins.
Dems keep the House and net 5 seats to take back the Senate.

Happy Days Are Here Again!

[samnsara]

1. sounds good to me..I have always backed a biden/harris ticket...

...I just hope the candidates dont damage each other so much that no one votes for the nominee cuz their fee fees got hurt.

[lark]

35. They have been my preliminary dream team as well.

Of course, none of the candidates I favored, except in 2016, have become the general nominee. I got on board with the nominee later and enthusiastically supported them and the party. Regardless of which Dem is the General candidate, I expect to do the same this time.

[allgood33]

38. Kaisch is a dangerous opponent. He can sound reasonable most of the time but he is a snake. It

is important for the Democrats to begin now to connect every Republican to Trump and Trump's administration. They must be connected at the hip lest some "reasonable" contenders appear to be the not-so-bad GOP. Everything that is wrong in this country right now must be laid at the feet of ALL Republicans. We need to get as many out of office as possible. And this means at the state and local levels also.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

2. Good scenario.

I especially like the win by large margins part.

[Towlie]

30. But an optimistic guess hardly justifies "Happy Days Are Here Again!"

[USALiberal]

3. Biden too old. Nt

[Cousin Dupree]

5. And Nancy P too old to be a good speaker. Too old like that??

[USALiberal]

10. So no age is too old? 90, 100, 110? Really? Nt

[Cousin Dupree]

15. If someone is capable of doing a job, why should their age disqualify them?

If someone is capable of doing a job, why should their race, sex, sexual orientation,_________ (go ahead,fill in the blank) disqualify them?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

46. Senator Byrd comes to mind...when he spoke...I listened...for a long long time.

W age comes grace, knowledge of the game, dignity, and sometimes a renewed desire to help others in this world. So far Speaker Pelosi is doing a great job. Thank Gods we chose her.

[Soxfan58]

28. Age discrimination

Is still discrimination. And not what we are about.

[USALiberal]

41. I'm about getting a younger man or woman who serves 2 terms and excites young voters! Nt

[zipplewrath]

42. Ya know the whole 35 year old thing right?

It's written down somewhere.

[loyalsister]

43. Definitely

It is irresponsible to elect, appoint, hire, etc. someone to an extremely consequential position when they are at or near end of average life span and at the age of onset for literally thousands of conditions that indicate a natural physical and mental decline.
There's a good reason why the age requirement is 35 instead of one that reflects more experience/wisdom.

At a time when we desperately need to recover some stability and civility in government and culture, we do not need to put ourselves in a situation with a known increased risk of losing a president in office.

[RobDennis]

53. I'm not the biggest Biden fan (although I'd absolutely vote for him if he's the nominee), BUT....

...this is ageist.

[USALiberal]

54. We need younger canidates who can pull in younger voters. Nt

[RobDennis]

55. I agree, but that doesn't disqualify older ones with more experience under their belts.

[calguy]

58. Biden is not too lod

I feel he might be our best hope to restore some order back in the country once trump is gone. He can do this and at the same time elevate a rising star like Kamala. I'm not in anyone's presidential camp at this early date but if I had to choose today it would be Biden. Kamala would be a classy running mate.

[JI7]

4. why would republicans that support Trump nominate Kasich ?

it makes no sense

[Funtatlaguy]

7. They won't. The Trumpers were a lot of first time voters.

They will sit out and go back to non voting status once Trump is out of office.
The old time guard of the GOP will be back in charge.

[JI7]

9. most Republicans support trump.

[Funtatlaguy]

12. It's verylukewarm. They like lower taxes/regulations/conservative judges.

They hate his trade policy.
They hate his tweeting rages and insulting personality.

[JI7]

18. no. they enjoy his bigotry

[Funtatlaguy]

19. A significant segment does and they wouldn't vote for Nikki Haley.

Or any Minority or woman for that matter
They will opt out of politics again.

[NewJeffCT]

6. The RNC is busy changing rules

to get rid of the primaries so Lil Donny can't be challenged. They'd need to change the rules back to allow primaries/caucuses again.

[former9thward]

45. No they aren't.

No rules have been changed. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

[NewJeffCT]

47. Why are they running ads against the rules changes

article about proposed changes:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/some-republicans-fear-rnc-resolution-backing-trump-shows-weakness


and, an ad running in the locale of the RNC meeting this coming week:

Link to tweet

?s=19

[former9thward]

49. It is a tweet by Bill Kristol.

Kristol is a never Trumper and is pissed since he is on the outs of the Republican party. Yes, the RNC will be backing Trump. That does not mean anything about primaries. No primaries are being cancelled and any R who wants to run against Trump can run. The national party committees, RNC and DNC always back the incumbent president of that party. Just as the DNC did with Obama in 2012 and Clinton in 1996. Yet any D could have run against Clinton or Obama in those years.

[NewJeffCT]

52. In both 1984 and 2004

the RNC basically canceled the entire primary process to help Reagan in 84 and Bush in 04

[former9thward]

62. No they didn't.

No one significant was going to run against either Reagan or Bush in those years. It would be a waste of time and money. Just as no one ran against Clinton or Obama when they were running. The last real inter party challenge to an incumbent president was in 1980 when Kennedy went against Carter. And we know how that turned out.

[Siwsan]

8. How would Kasich/Haley happen if the GOP shuts down their primaries?

Isn't that what they will be voting on, tomorrow, or am I totally misinterpreting this:

[Funtatlaguy]

14. Even if this happens, Mueller's report will change things.

[Siwsan]

17. Hopefully!

This is just getting more and more frightening with every passing day.

[Towlie]

34. Help us, Obi-Wan Mueller, you're our only hope!

[former9thward]

50. No primaries are being cancelled.

Any R who wants to run against Trump can run. Internet BS.

[Siwsan]

51. It did seem a bit strange to send out such a sign of outright panic about being primaried

At least that was my interpretation. But, to be honest, nothing the GOP might pull will ever, again, surprise me, save for them doing something honest/ethical.

[former9thward]

60. Did it seem strange when the DNC backed Obama for re-election in 2012?

Or when they backed Clinton for re-election in 1996? Not to me. The national party committee is always controlled by the president when that party is in power. It would be strange if they did anything else.

[Siwsan]

61. I don't recall anyone, serious, threatening to primary President Obama.

I've heard several people mentioned as possibles for trump*. That's the big difference.

I also don't recall ANY time, in the past, when any party wanted to pass a resolution to pressure people into pledging their support for the current office holder.

[TheBlackAdder]

11. Is Jason Voorhees (Slate.com) reputable? He's got a post today about Biden helping a GOP Rep.

[rownesheck]

13. Jason Voorhees?

didn't he murder all those kids at Camp Crystal Lake?

[TheBlackAdder]

16. Probably a Freudian slip. . . Josh Voorhees.

[shanny]

37. Saw something linked on DK that made that point also

and went into the implications down the road:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/2020-primary-biden-and-betos-aid-to-gop-candidates-in-2018-is-disqualifying.html

Ultimately, what makes Biden and O’Rourke’s conduct disqualifying is not the effect it may (or may not) have had in 2018, but rather, what it says about how they will govern in 2021. If Democrats want to treat climate change as an existential threat — and health care and the franchise as inalienable rights — then they will need to treat the Republican Party as an enemy.

Bipartisan overtures will never persuade congressional Republicans to vote against the interests of fossil fuel companies, or back dramatic expansions in public health insurance, or dismantle election laws that give their coalition wildly disproportionate power. Only a unified, Democratic government — that is willing to ruthlessly prioritize ideological goals over bipartisan comity — will have any chance of overcoming our legislative system’s copious veto points, and passing anything resembling a proportionate response to our nation’s climate, health-care, and democratic crises into law.

Our country paid a big price for the Democrats’ failure to do this the last time around. Had 51 Senate Democrats been willing to kill the legislative filibuster in 2009, they could have passed cap-and-trade, a version of the ACA that included a public option, a stimulus package proportional to the severity of the Great Recession, more foreclosure relief, card check for unions, and citizenship for all 11 million undocumented immigrants on a party-line vote. In so doing, they quite likely would have prevented Donald Trump from ever becoming president; add a few million more immigrants to the electorate — and a couple percentage points to the rate of private-sector unionization — and you end up with a country that is both more democratic and more Democratic.

[bullwinkle428]

20. You lost me at "moderate wing" of GOP. "Anti-Trump" would make at least

a touch more logical sense, but honestly, how much GENUINE anti-Trump sentiment exists among elected Republican office holders?

[Funtatlaguy]

21. I guess I needed more explanation.

The Mueller report will change the GOP ballgame, imho.
You will see almost all elected Repubs abandon Trump.
Only the really rank of the rank and file bigots and morons will still back an outed Russian asset.
Those that consider themselves as “moderate” (not what you and I would consider moderate) will swoop in and take over the party apparatus.
Think Kasich, Romney, Jeb, Rubio types who like to come off as reasonable types and the mainstream media will push this narrative for them.

[exboyfil]

27. Too late to walk away?

How much worse can it be than what has already been revealed? The right 45% don't care. The time for folks like Grassley to turn on Trump was early on once the lies and the Russian meeting was revealed. Using adoptions as a cover to have a meeting with known Russian agents regarding damaging information on an opponent that was illegally obtained. We have known that for almost two years.

[obamanut2012]

22. Biden/Harris wouldn't surprise me

Although I personally support Harris/Biden more.

[Renew Deal]

23. We heard it here last too

Trump is 50-50 to be gone, but Haley is not going to be anyone’s VP. Biden will probably not make it through the primaries.

[MoonRiver]

36. He never has.

To me, being a three time primary loser is more significant than his age. Oh, and I like Biden very much, just don't see him making it past the primaries.

[Are_grits_groceries]

24. Nikki Haley will have to get through the primaries if they have them.

She was born in Bamberg, SC.
However, her parents are from Amritsar in the Punjab region of India. This is very close to the border with Pakistan.
If they use the Atwater playbook, they will have the family linked to the Taliban, ISIS, and every other foreign terror group. A lot of people don’t differentiate. That could be a problem.

[jpljr77]

25. So that's a best case scenario, and I wish I were that optimistic.

On the other side of the hope ledger, you have:

Mueller's report never sees the light of day, or at least, the parts that incriminate Trump and his campaign. The only portions they release are those that debunk certain salacious accusations in the dossier, for example. Trump claims victory, says that it proves he did nothing wrong (remember: Kavanaugh never touched anyone at all ever because he's on the Supreme Court now, right?).

We stagger forward through 2019 just like the previous two years: crisis after crisis, humiliating behavior from the President, etc., all while the economy slows. The 2020 campaign becomes absolutely brutal, with Democrat after Democrat taking shots at Trump but nothing connects. They then start fighting among themselves and the various liberal camps.

The Booker/Buttigieg ticket gets steamrolled in both popular and electoral votes. Republicans retake the House and expand their Senate majority. RBG doesn't make it, and Breyer also has to step down. Clarence Thomas also decides now is a good time to leave. So yeah: FIVE Supreme Court nominees. It's the Trump Court for 25-30 years.

Roe v. Wade is struck down, the wall goes up, parents are deported leaving their U.S. born kids here. Roving MAGA hats openly attack anyone with a complexion darker than a cappuccino.

I like your future a lot better, but I can't see how the above doesn't happen with the way things have been going.

[mainstreetonce]

29. I like a possiblity

where Trump knows he can't win,so he doesn't run. Out of spite he holds off,pretending to be a candidate till very late and the Republicans don't have time to get candidate choices lined up. I think if he doesn't run he would rather be followed by a Dem so he can spend his next years having rallies to attack and ridicule his successor.

[DonViejo]

31. Given the GOP is meeting tomorrow to vote on a proposition to do away with the GOP Primary...

and declare the idiot a great leader, are you confident we'll be holding an election for President in 2020 even if he resigns/is impeached?

[Blue_Tires]

32. Never happen...

[EffieBlack]

33. I'm not sure that Biden will run now

He's about to run int a firestorm.

[Wounded Bear]

39. Not my first choice, but I could live with it...

[WhiteTara]

40. So, it's 2 old white men with their little helpers

again. Please that is soooooo 19th century and this is the 21st. Let's get whippy here. 2 old white men ain't gonna cut it.

[IcyPeas]

44. Kasich has officially joined CNN now

So he'll be on TV all the time now molding his platform. Maybe Kamala should get a spot too. I know, I know, she has a job... he doesn't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/john-kasich-joins-cnn-as-a-political-commentator-after-eight-years-as-ohios-governor-.html

[Joe941]

48. A very plausible outcome. Well done.

[TheBlackAdder]

57. I think a Warren/Harris ticket would be Kickass!

[Hassler]

59. Lots of good candidates. I think it will be whoever is the best

anti-Dump candidate. Barack comes to mind--calm, smart, competent, etc--but he's not available. Someone who advances a real Democratic agenda and does so without bombast or bothsiderism.