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So who leaked the info that don jr. didn't call daddy after trump tower meeting? (Original Post) spanone Feb 2019 OP
IMHO, someone trying to put a positive spin on a story about to break manor321 Feb 2019 #1
I was thinking the same... spanone Feb 2019 #4
My thought,too. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2019 #16
Trump Jr n/t ScratchCat Feb 2019 #2
John Barron C_U_L8R Feb 2019 #3
Forgot about that guy spanone Feb 2019 #5
LOL Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #21
Did it come from mercuryblues Feb 2019 #6
A rolling stone? malaise Feb 2019 #7
Bwahahahahahaaa spanone Feb 2019 #9
Twitler and Junior. If there was an innocent explanation for those phone calls fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #8
Maybe they were to Putin. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #10
It's not just WHO he called but WHERE were they when he called. CincyDem Feb 2019 #11
Why Would Jr. Call Anyone After The Meeting.... global1 Feb 2019 #13
Any number of reasons. CincyDem Feb 2019 #15
I think who he called is actually worse for their little storyline than if he called the old orange UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #12
If you can't trust Meredith McIver, who can you trust? gratuitous Feb 2019 #14
I don't think it matters. He could have called someone sitting with Spanky panader0 Feb 2019 #17
Russians Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #18
Hmmm. . . matt819 Feb 2019 #19
You really think itcfish Feb 2019 #20
Maybe not the trumps matt819 Feb 2019 #22
So how do we know if it's the Lorber fellow? triron Feb 2019 #24
knr triron Feb 2019 #23
kick for visibility triron Feb 2019 #25
"Those close to the intelligence committee" means republicans. JDC Feb 2019 #26
Likely suspects on the Intel Committee: McTurd-le, Cornyn, Tehran Tom Cotton. Hassler Feb 2019 #27
As Seth points out, this "business associate" of Jr-- dawg day Feb 2019 #28
 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
1. IMHO, someone trying to put a positive spin on a story about to break
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

That'd be my guess.

Because, if the information was innocent all along, why didn't Trump Jr. tell everyone a year ago?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
16. My thought,too.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:30 PM
Feb 2019

But speculation that it was his dad has been rampant for months. Why now? Junior’s turn coming up?

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
6. Did it come from
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:40 AM
Feb 2019

Russia? As Racheal said the other night. Concord took the discovery documents (from the court case) altered them and then put them online, claiming they hacked Mueller's files. Did someone on the right "fall" for it?

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
8. Twitler and Junior. If there was an innocent explanation for those phone calls
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 11:40 AM
Feb 2019

Junior would have been broadcasting it from day one.

It took those fools well over a year to come up with a response and this is all they could come up with?

Either they are lying about who was called or there was something else nefarious going on. These assholes lie about everything.

You know who does know what really happened? Mueller.

CincyDem

(6,355 posts)
11. It's not just WHO he called but WHERE were they when he called.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:07 PM
Feb 2019

Howard Lorber. I think he’s the guy who took trump to Russia in 1996 and was an co developer in one/some/all of the trump Moscow plans. A frequent visitor to trump tower and supporter of the candidate now president.

Leads me to two questions.

1) where was he when he took the call.
2) who did he call next.

The speed with which trump tweeted about this “revelation” tells me it was part of a coordinated message track. On the surface, it sounds like using adoption as the agenda. Peels it back a layer and there’s always something Russian just under the surface.

CincyDem

(6,355 posts)
15. Any number of reasons.
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:17 PM
Feb 2019

In a “normal” world, I get out of a meeting and start returning calls. I know. Nothing normal about this world.

Also “normal” world, I’ve got some action steps from the meeting and or want to share some new learning. Much more likely.

This guy was part of the developer group for trump tower Moscow and jr just learned the price of approval - drop the magnitsky sanctions. So he was just informing the partners.

Just my opinion but when we learn more about the nascar guy we’ll find out he’s more that it appears on the surface.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
12. I think who he called is actually worse for their little storyline than if he called the old orange
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:10 PM
Feb 2019

anus. Makes sense that dotard jr would just ride right upstairs to old orange to tell him about the meeting..that is if rump didn't dial in.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
17. I don't think it matters. He could have called someone sitting with Spanky
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

in his office. What does matter is Trump's knowledge of the meeting.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
19. Hmmm. . .
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 12:55 PM
Feb 2019

Cutouts?

They clearly used the cutout approach with the Russians, using Stone and others to communicate with Assange. In turn, the Russian GRU fed hacked material through Wikileaks.

So. . . Junior phoned someone not his father.

First, I'll believe that when Mueller says so.

Second, who's to say that daddy wasn't on the other end of the phone that was registered to a "family friend"?

Third, cutouts. Family friend passes info to daddy, daddy replies to another family friend, and that family friend calls Junior.

Fourth. Family friend. Stone? Manafort? Melania? Corsi? Papadopoulos? Kilimnick?



matt819

(10,749 posts)
22. Maybe not the trumps
Fri Feb 1, 2019, 03:01 PM
Feb 2019

But those in their orbit at least tried to exercise some sort of basic tradecraft. And when I say basic, I mean child-like.

The communication between the campaign, Wikileaks, and the Russians at least tried to put some distance between all of them and trump himself. But it was fantastically pathetic. It seems:
-- that they used their own phones and other devices.
-- that they saved everything, or at least to keep Bob Mueller and his troops pretty damn busy.
-- that, with only one exception, they didn't use anyone who wasn't more than one degree of separation apart from the key players.
-- that they made no attempt to conceal their actions.

On reflection, they exercised no tradecraft. Now consider this. The Russians have a pretty good track record at spy tradecraft (as do all major countries). And, yet, they made very little effort to conceal their actions. Maybe they tried to conceal specifics, but they made no effort to conceal the contacts. They sent a Russian woman - Butina - and they used Kislyak from the outset, and all other Russian contacts were oligarchs connected to the Kremlin. It's almost as if they wanted trump to be seen in contact. (That last sentence is sarcasm.)

Flynn was the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Granted, he did not come from the operational ranks, but surely he understood the concept of tradecraft.

But I digress.

Maybe the trumps thought it wouldn't fucking matter. He could shoot someone on fifth avenue and his poll numbers would go up. And everything he's done in the past four years pretty much substantiates this attitude. So maybe they all saw no need for concealing anything. And, yet, the efforts they did use to try to cover shit up was so fucking sophomoric.

JDC

(10,127 posts)
26. "Those close to the intelligence committee" means republicans.
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 12:14 AM
Feb 2019

Democrats would not have shared that info in my opinion. I don't think it is true.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
28. As Seth points out, this "business associate" of Jr--
Sat Feb 2, 2019, 01:59 AM
Feb 2019

was actually a friend of DJT SR. And Lorber was involved in the campaign.

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