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Say hello to Justin Fairfax, Virginia's possible soon-to-be new Governor
Justin was elected Lieutenant Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia on November 7, 2017. Justin is only the second African-American in history, and the first in nearly 30 years since the tenure of Governor L. Douglas Wilder, to be elected to statewide office in Virginia. His Inauguration took place on January 13, 2018. https://www.ltgov.virginia.gov/
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To add to the shock, a page from Northam's yearbook at the Virginia Military Institute listed one of his nicknames as "Coonman," a racial slur. Story from @Grace_Segers https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ralph-northams-yearbook-page-shows-man-in-kkk-costume-and-another-apparently-in-blackface/
https://archive.org/details/bomb1981virg/page/90
manor321
(3,344 posts)I was waiting for his statement for an explanation.
I think he should go.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Double standards suck.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)There is a double standard for that specifically. We can forgive Northam but demand he resign.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)jezebel321
(278 posts)He was an adult when this happened and it wasn't the 1950s, no excuses.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)I say let it go.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Gov. (Dr.) Northam is a "good Democratic" governor. Ask any other Virginia DUer.
While a practicing Pediatric neurologist, he treated my son and I saw that his office was staffed with folks of color. And he was one of the nicest physicians I've ever dealt with.
What he did was *horribly stupid* but I'm judging his behavior from what I know about him in the last 25yrs.
hlthe2b
(102,447 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,503 posts)spooky3
(34,505 posts)Persons of color about what should be done now.
I dont agree with the talking heads who say that in 1984 we all knew better, however. There was a lot of socially acceptable racism (and sexism, and other isms) in attempts at humor, and some DUers may remember the Ted Danson blackface scandal that occurred 9 years *later.*
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,503 posts)spooky3
(34,505 posts)Is Frasier, but the homophobia and slut-shaming alone in multiple episodes is hard to watch.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,473 posts)madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)It is inexcusable. He was a doctor graduating from medical school when he did this. He must resign.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)They went after him over the abortion issue.
malaise
(269,237 posts)Due diligence should have dug this up ages ago.
If he didn't have this in his past, it could not be exposed. 1984???WTF!
Bye bye!
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Are you saying people can't change? Has he demonstrated being a racist since that photo?
You guys are saying that if absolutely any politician ever has even the slightest imperfection in their past, they should be kicked out of office even if they aren't like that anymore.
Rainbow Droid
(722 posts)My kneejerk response is OUT GTFO SERIOUSLY but this was 35 years ago and people change. I'm not the person I was in 1984, that's for damn sure...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I agree with you and the other poster, Northam should stay unless something else comes up about him as a Doctor. As a Doctor in his state he was a champion of low cost and free medical care for poor people, including Black poor people.
Brawndo
(535 posts)most people's mistakes don't reveal an ugly soul. If you're a Democrat, you don't need to evolve on issues like this. Disqualifying.
Rainbow Droid
(722 posts)SPOILER ALERT: I had been reading Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and I found everything about WWII fascinating. Shortly afterward I learned the full scope of the Nazi crimes and the symbolism inherent in the mark and I never did it again.
But I guess the fact that I did it reveals an ugly soul...
Brawndo
(535 posts)This was the unforced choice of an adult. For every one of him you can find many more with better sense and awareness of history, the bar for Democratic leaders can and should be higher. You went to an extreme to justify something that has no justification. Plus, it looks like the Lt Gov will be a step up anyhow.
Rainbow Droid
(722 posts)regardless of what Northam decides to do next. I'd prefer Fairfax for Gov as well, but lets not be so quick with the tar and feathers on someone who very well might have spent the past 35 years trying to undo his first 24. Look at his biography ffs.
Brawndo
(535 posts)consider what defending him will cost us. We will be somewhat persuasively accused of being hypocrites, this will result in bothsiderism on crack. I am unwilling to lose that argument with repuglicans. The cost of defending him greatly outweighs the benefit.
Rainbow Droid
(722 posts)I'm suggesting that if his family, friends, and co-workers don't defend him then he will go regardless. We don't have to do a thing. If they defend him who are we to override them? If they don't defend him then his career is over and it should be. We don't take that shit from anyone. But people grow, people change, and people make mistakes. Lets not forget that.
malaise
(269,237 posts)He should have mentioned this photo himself during said campaign.
We're not talking 50s and 60s here - 1984. Just saying.
Black face and KKK are not slight imperfections.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)since he doesn't hold those views anymore. I couldn't tell you what's in my yearbook and I graduated a lot more recently than Northam.
malaise
(269,237 posts)We all know ReTHUGs will do anything to destroy Dems.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)or KKK.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)It's up to the people of Virginia. The thing is Northam should have been up front about this crap when he ran.
Takket
(21,651 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Maybe he changed and repented of his past?
If we keep getting rid of people who have a questionable background, Republicans are going to keep winning. Because there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. Republicans don't care if their candidates are horrible people. Dems just each other alive.
Nobody is perfect and this was a long time ago.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Not only should he not have waited until he got "caught," but his opposition to the monuments would have been much more powerful if he had shared his own history.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Freethinker65
(10,080 posts)His racism has knocked his abortion statements way off the front page, and he will no longer be governor.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Freethinker65
(10,080 posts)He would be gone as their punching bag. And the fact that he resigned unlike say, Rep. Steve King, will not be forgotten.
Justin Fairfax, Democratic lieutenant governor, would become governor.
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)good and popular governor.
lilactime
(657 posts)horrified and I can't unsee that. There is no excuse for this. None.
He needs to go.
RDANGELO
(3,435 posts)This isn't one of those if I offended somebody oligopolies. He sounds like he sincerely regrets it. I don't think he should have to resign, but that is what probably will happen.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Resign and do whats right for the party and the people.
malaise
(269,237 posts)MLAA
(17,346 posts)apology. I am not saying he shouldnt step down, just sayin there were no wiggle words including the ubiquitous if I offended anyone
madaboutharry
(40,238 posts)MLAA
(17,346 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,506 posts)MLAA
(17,346 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,506 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,117 posts)Because he has sincerely offered a real apology, I hope decisions regarding stay or go will be made based on whether his actions since then have demonstrated real change - and efforts to not just not offend - but to proactively work for racial justice and equality in ways that are welcomed by POC.
I am not a POC, but I am a member of the LGBT community. Pretty much no one in politics is pure on the issue of LGBT equity - if I excluded anyone who ever behaved in an offensive way to my community as fit for office, there would be no one fit for office. I believe in the possibility of change. We witnessed that in Barack Obama as to LGBT rights. This apology is a good starting point.
He is not a rethug.
MLAA
(17,346 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Not worth an explanation. Out.
backabby-blue
(144 posts)This was not ok in the circles I ran with in 1984. No way, no how. RESIGN now.
Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)I think it's important to judge a person on who they are not who they were.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)He should of just told voters he was a racist jackass in his past, but he has changed sense then and this wouldn't have been necessarily disqualifying. Now he is probably going to have to resign.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)He should have brought it up when explaining why he would support tearing down the confederate statues.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)this long? Damn.
JI7
(89,281 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)like that. This does not help the Party, and ought to tick people off.
maxsolomon
(33,432 posts)don't start nothin, won't be nothin
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Parents should teach their kids that they live in a diverse world and that before they take any action, they should consider all the consequences.
Northam appears to have had an exemplar pry life post Medical School. I don't think that he should resign, but if there is other shit out there, he would know that and step down to avoid issues.
maxsolomon
(33,432 posts)And that if you have, in any way shape or form, the GOP opposition research will find it.
He should have known better at every step of the way: putting on the costume, going out in public dressed like that, posing for a photo, developing the film, putting this in print on his freaking Yearbook page, not thinking his candidacy through knowing this was in his past.
now he's just another club for the GOP to bludgeon Dems with.
we point out actual racist policies like child separation, they point at Northam. "oh well, both sides" say the flibberdigibbet independent voters.
Freethinker65
(10,080 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,021 posts)And I was a kid addicted to drugs and alcohol at the time.
Bradshaw3
(7,536 posts)Not on the drug part. But dressing up in a KKK costume or blackface? I just wouldn't have done something like that.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)affected Black people. His life over the 35 years should be considered, if there is more of this out there, he should step down because he would know that.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)and why he was now against the confederate statues. Would have been an excellent move.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Democrats don't seem to be forgiving of any transgressions, no matter how long ago, do they?
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)If he was a racist back then (and more evidence that's coming out seems to suggest that he was), he probably didn't think it was a big deal at the time and completely forgot about it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Renew Deal
(81,885 posts)Though he was brazen enough to run for governor
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Seems harsh, but he has a democratic Lt Gov. He can't run in 2021 anyway and w/ the direction of the party wasn't going to be the 2024/2028 nominee or 2025 gov nominee for that matter.
He's in the "why are you still here" category of politicians going through scandals. The only people to facing any potential consequence from his decision to stay in office are 2020 candidates that need the state of VA.
Mike Nelson
(9,975 posts)
this was 1984!
and there was Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh's yearbook... I have my HS and College yearbooks... there was nothing like this... and I was out before 1984. We did crazy stuff in college, but I'm just really not understanding this... his apology is a start, I guess...
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)the radar for 35 years. No one thought this was a big deal? Not one person in his class? No one on the faculty or in the administration? No one who had reason to look at the yearbook in the last 35 years?
Seriously?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Stuff like this must have been going on all over the schools and faculty was okay with it. Northam should have brought this up 12 years ago when he first ran and said he's changed. Now Julian Castro is calling for his resignation.
Goodheart
(5,349 posts)Raven
(13,906 posts)Not college, not high school, medical school? Isn't that the place where you vow to do no harm? I'm beginning to really despair for this country.