43 confirmed measles cases in Clark Co. outbreak, including child who had one MMR vaccine

[SidDithers]

https://katu.com/news/local/43-confirmed-cases-of-measles-in-clark-co-outbreak-including-patient-who-had-mmr-vaccine

VANCOUVER, Wash. –Health officials say there are now 43 confirmed cases of measles in the Clark County outbreak, including one person who had one dose of the MMR vaccine.

Authorities say they are also looking at 8 suspected cases of the virus.

Clark County Public Health said most of the patients are children under 10 years old, ten cases involve kids ages 11 to 18 and one case is in an adult between the ages of 19 and 29.

Of the cases, 37 people were not immunized and five cases are not verified to have had the vaccine. One of the patients received one of the two doses of the MMR vaccine.

The CDC says one dose of the MMR vaccine is 93 percent effective, while having two doses of the vaccine is 97 percent effective.

Fucking anti-vaxxers.

Sid

[Squinch]

1. Darwinism at work.

[Mariana]

2. This is why the argument that vaccinated people

shouldn't worry about what anyone else does is bullshit. The vaccine doesn't work for everyone, so some vaccinated people are vulnerable - in addition to the people who can't take the vaccine for valid medical reasons.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. I read somewhere it's 97 percent effective. Which is considered high.

Herd immunity takes care of the rest.

This is why no one with religious exemptions or exemptions other than strictly medical should be allowed in schools, daycares, and doctor’s offices.

[IronLionZion]

3. There are forums for children who want to get vaccinated without parental consent

it's disgusting. Most of these anti-vaxxer parents are vaccinated but are screwing their kids.

[getagrip_already]

4. Forums are one thing, but....

It would be illegal on multiple valid levels to actually vaccinate them.

Only licensed medical professionals can administer a vaccine. They are prohibited by law from treating a child without parental consent (barring a life threatening emergency, and even then under very narrow guidelines).

I'm as far from an antivaxer as you can get, but no legal means exists to do this.

States could pass laws like that, but they would set off firestorm.

That's how fgm starts.

Rather, we need laws to compel parents to get there kids vaccinated, or to prevent them from going out in public if they don't.

[Major Nikon]

6. Don't think that's what this is about

In some states you can legally get vaccinated without parental consent although federal law requires a parent or guardian of a minor to receive vaccination information prior to vaccination.

So there's legal ways a child can get vaccinated in spite of having stupid parents.

[getagrip_already]

7. Source?

Curious about this statement. Do you have a Source? Which stayes?

I'm dubious but willing to be convinced if true.

[Major Nikon]

9. ...

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Adolescent%2BConsent%2BVaccination

[HDSam]

13. Here:

“Some states allow minors to consent to medical treatments without parental consent, such as Alabama (Ala. Code § 22-8-4 (1975) (any minor 14 years of age or older)). Recently, some states have adopted bills allowing children to consent to specific vaccines (hepatitis B; Minn. Stat. § 144.3441 (2012)) or, more broadly, to those related to reproductive health (by implication, hep B and HPV; Cal. Fam. Code § 6926 (2012)).”

https://shotofprevention.com/2014/03/04/rights-of-the-unvaccinated-child-vaccinating-over-the-parents-will/

[Ms. Toad]

15. Here's a resource.

https://www.freelists.org/archives/hilac/02-2014/pdftRo8tw89mb.pdf

P288 has a summary chart.

Here are the relevant notes from the chart column that identifies states that permit minor children some ability to authorize treatment for themselves:

3 Alabama allows minors age 14 or older and high school graduates to consent for their own care.
14 Alaska allows minors to consent for their own care if a parent or legal guardian cannot be contacted or is unwilling to grant or withhold consent.
15 Arkansas allows minors to consent for their own care if they have sufficient intelligence to understand and appreciate the consequences of the proposed surgical or medical treatment or procedures.
16 The definition of emancipated minor includes minors who are living apart from parents and married minors.
17 Georgia allows minor parents to consent for family planning services.
18 Hawaii allows minors “without support” to consent for their own care.
19 Idaho allows minors with sufficient intelligence and awareness to comprehend the need for and risks of care to give their own consent.
20 Illinois has recognized the mature minor doctrine by court decision.
21 Kansas allows minors age 16 or older to give consent for care where no parent or guardian is immediately available and recognizes the right of mature minors to consent for their own care.
22 Louisiana allows minors to consent for their own care for an illness or disease.
23 Maine allows minor parents to consent for family planning services.
24 Maryland allows minors to consent for care if delaying to obtain another’s consent would adversely affect the life or health of the minor.
25 Massachusetts has recognized the mature minor doctrine by court decision.
26 Minnesota allows minors to consent for mental health services related to pregnancy, venereal disease, alcohol and other drug abuse.
27 Mississippi allows HIV testing without consent if necessary for diagnosis or to provide appropriate care and treatment.
28 Mississippi allows minors to consent for mental health services related to drug or alcohol problems.
29 Montana allows non‐emergency services to be provided for conditions that will endanger the life or health of the minor if services would be delayed by obtaining parental consent.
30 Nevada allows minors who are in danger of suffering a serious health hazard if services are not provided to consent for their own care.

[getagrip_already]

30. Thanks, didn't know that...

But it seems to mostly apply to the 14+ age group. While that is huge, the real need is toddlers and young school age children. They still have few options.

Their parents need to be compelled to vaccinate.

[Ms. Toad]

32. Correct.

The general rule is that parents have the final say-so for all medical care for their children, because children are not deemed to be mature enough to weigh the risks and benefits and give informed consent. So all of the rules are premised on an evaluation of when the child is old enough to weigh the risks (when they are emancipated, when they hit a certain age, when they are married, etc.)

When children are not yet old enough that they could reasonably weigh and understand medical risks, permitting them to make decisions for themselves is a recipe for a lawsuit. There are vaccine reactions - can you imagine the PR nightmare if the child of a parent who had chosen not to vaccinate their child had a fatal reaction after the school (just as an example) made vaccinations available to any child who asked for them? How about a parent whose child had a serious reaction to the first vaccination, and halted the vaccinations on her doctor's advice - but a child too young to remember the reaction, but old enough to hear and be coerced by the "anti-vaxxers" vitriol that labels him (in extreme cases) as a murderer or typhoid mary takes adantage of a program that circumvents parental controlls and has another severe reaction, or worse.

Most states have very narrow exceptions for exemptions for vaccines (generally medical or religious) - and most of the unvaccinated children have parents who don't actually fit the exemptions (their objections are philosophical or purportedly scientific (based on general principles -not an evaluation of the specific child). The latter two do not actually qualify for exemptions in most states. So enforcing the laws would be a start.

[jberryhill]

27. The law is not always crazy

[ck4829]

23. +1

[Major Nikon]

5. There used to be a number of folks spreading anti-vax bullshit here on DU

Fortunately most are either gone or keep their stupid ideas to themselves. This kind of garbage gets spread on facebook and other social media outlets and gullible people fall for it to the detriment of children. This is why we need laws that require vaccinations. This should not be a choice that people get to opt out of because of their superstitious beliefs or because what some moron on facebook told them.

[Aristus]

8. Nah, they're still here.

I have to go the usual 18 rounds with them over their "Well, I just make sure I eat healthy and keep all household surfaces clean" bullshit every once in a while.

It's like trying to eradicate crabgrass...

[irisblue]

10. More like cleaning up black mold...

[Aristus]

11. That, too...

[Major Nikon]

12. Not as bad as it used to be

The Wakefield fan club and Jenny McCarthy parrots are gone for the most part. Linking to an anti-vax site is pretty much is universally regarded as loon self-identification. All that's really left are the concern trolls.

[Aristus]

14. Perhaps. I tend not to draw a distinction between anti-vaxxers and concern trolls.

They're pretty much the same thing...

[Major Nikon]

17. They are the same thing

I'm just saying the loons who came to DU primarily to parrot out anti-vax pseudoscience are gone.

[mcar]

16. Those poor kids

Stuck with idiots for parents.

[AllyCat]

18. No kidding. I go through this with my sister.

She believes her kid is incredibly introverted because of vaccines. She contain dangerous chemicals. I wonder if she knows how much stuff she is breathing in from driving her new car with all the plastics and such?

[cannabis_flower]

21. Sounds like maybe ...

she's incredibly introverted because of her mother.

[ck4829]

25. That's just sad. That's her kid's unique personality, there is nothing wrong with her

To say that a chemical made someone's quirks, that's going to scar them for life.

[lindysalsagal]

20. Just like frumpers: Reality is irrellevant: "The world according to me."

Humans are nuts.

[treestar]

22. At least none of them are autistic

[ck4829]

24. K&R

[samnsara]

26. whenever i meet one i tell them (politely) that while I respect their..

...decision, to please keep their god damned buggy kids away from my grand kids. Altho I have been reading more where teens are sneaking to drs for vaccinations. A bit too late and there goes the window for Gardasil...which, potentially, is a life saver!

[ismnotwasm]

28. Assholes

My oldest daughter is rural and homeschools, but she’s not a nut. She says a lot of the on-line home school forums contain anti-vax nonsense, so she stays away most from of them. She’s says it’s really bad.

[EveHammond13]

29. this is enraging. we are backsliding as a country.

[cwydro]

31. I don't have children, so answer me this someone...

I thought it was a law for children to be vaccinated before school?

Have I missed something?