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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVenezuela hass done nothing - not one fucking thing to be seized by the
US government - stop this fucking madness.
This is about oil and has been going on for as long as Chavez was demanding more for their oil and sharing benefits with fellow Caribbean countries. The sabotage has been relentless. Wake up world.
I do not want to hear one fucking word about human rights, not with those Latin American children in your cages and the authoritarian in the WH. Stop this madness. The Con does not decide who is President of Venezuela. We are sovereign countries.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)marble falls
(57,080 posts)Attack on Richard Nixon's motorcade
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Nixon's car is attacked in Caracas
Date May 13, 1958
Location Caracas, Venezuela
An attack on Richard Nixon's motorcade occurred in Caracas, Venezuela, during his 1958 goodwill tour of South America, undertaken while Nixon was Vice President of the United States. The attack on Nixon's car was called, at the time, the "most violent attack ever perpetrated on a high American official while on foreign soil". Close to being killed while a couple of his aides were injured in the melee, Nixon ended up unharmed and his entourage managed to reach the U.S. embassy. The visit took place only months after the overthrow of Venezuelan dictator Marcos Pérez Jiménez, which was awarded the Legion of Merit and later granted asylum by the United States, and the incident may have been orchestrated by the Communist Party of Venezuela. U.S. Navy Admiral Arleigh Burke mobilized fleet and Marine units to the region, compelling the Venezuelan government to provide full protection to Nixon for the remainder of the trip.
The attack was denounced by all major Venezuelan presidential candidates standing in that year's election, except for the incumbent leader Admiral Wolfgang Larrazábal. Nixon was generally applauded in American press reports for his calm and adept handling of the incident and was feted with a "hero's welcome" on his return to the United States. His recollections of the attack form one of the "six crises" in his eponymous book. The attack has been credited with awakening U.S. officials to a growing tide of anti-Americanism in the western hemisphere, but of also deeply affecting Nixon on a personal level, shaping his perception of Latin America as a region prone to "violence and irrationality".
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Richard Nixon's carefully planned 1958 tour of South America has been described as one of the "most important United States foreign policy events in post-WWII Latin America".[2] It was undertaken at a time of confused United States intra-hemispheric relations; the role of Latin American states in the emerging American grand strategy of containment was unclear and ill-defined. However, a recent worldwide drop in commodity prices that badly affected South American economies, coupled with increasing Soviet overtures in the western hemisphere, made President of the United States Dwight Eisenhower determine that a tour by a major United States functionary was necessary to demonstrate U.S. commitment to the region.[2] Nixon, himself, says he was uninterested in taking the trip.[3]
The tour was to see Nixon visit every independent country in South America except Brazil and Chile.[a] Brazil had been omitted from the itinerary as Nixon had visited that nation the previous year. The Chilean leadership, meanwhile, were scheduled to be out-of-the-country during the time period of Nixon's visit. Nixon was accompanied on his trip by his wife, Pat Nixon.[3]
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Upon learning of the incident, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Arleigh Burke ordered the airlift of elements of the 2nd Marine Division and the 101st Airborne Division to staging areas in Puerto Rico and Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. The aircraft carrier USS Tarawa, along with eight destroyers and two amphibious assault ships, were ordered to put to sea towards Venezuela.[21][24] The U.S. mobilization was code-named "Operation Poor Richard".[7]
A fleet of 12 ships centered on USS Tarawa, pictured here in 1952, was ordered to Venezuela once news of the attack on Nixon reached Washington.
According to U.S. officials at the time, the forces mobilized were being readied to enter Venezuela to "cooperate with the Venezuelan government", though later accounts suggest President Eisenhower was preparing to "invade Venezuela" should Nixon suffer further indignity.[18][21][24] Privately, Eisenhower was reportedly furious at the attack on Nixon and, at one point, told his staff "I am about ready to go put my uniform on".[25][26]
Nixon was shocked after learning about the mobilization and wondered why they were not consulted, but later found out that communications between Caracas and Washington had been cut for a critical period immediately after the riot that afternoon.[3]
In response to the movement of American military forces into the region, Admiral Larrazábal pledged the Nixon party would be "protected fully" thereafter.[27]
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Or do you also blame Trump for the EU's non-recognition of Maduro's legitimacy?
Do you think Trump is running the Organization of American States as well?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)pull the other one.
BTW, I think the interest by certain parties in oil is separate from the monumental clusterfuck that has been the Bolivarian Revolution.
Plenty of bad actors here.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Their history and connections with others in the guarimbas actions for example.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)This is a multi-lateral non-recognition of Maduro's claimed legitimacy in concert with the relevant EU and OAS bodies:
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20190111/no-support-maduro-kingston-caracas-rift-deepens-jamaica-backs-oas
Jamaica backs OAS resolution not to recognise Venezuelas president
Jamaica yesterday sided with 18 other members of the Organization of American States (OAS) in favour of a resolution not to recognise the legitimacy of Nicolas Maduro's new term as Venezuela's president.
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Countries that voted at the OAS were Argentina, The Bahamas, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, St Lucia, and the USA.
Do you similarly condemn the decision of the government of Jamaica in this matter?
We are sovereign countries.
Malaise, could you clarify to whom you mean to refer as "we" in that sentence? Most of the sovereign countries in the Americas agree on this one.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Venezuela is in the grip of a worsening humanitarian crisis caused by their current illegitimate regime.
Mr Guaidó is head of Venezuela's National Assembly and the constitution allows him to assume power temporarily when the president is deemed illegitimate.
He has secured the backing of over 40 countries, including the US and most Latin American and European nations. Mr Maduro still has the support of China and Russia. (and N Korea and Iran!)
So you think Iran, N Korea, China and Russia are defenders of Democracy? lol
Even China is bailing:
China made it clear this week that it was not taking sides in Venezuela and would cooperate with whoever was in charge. This comes less than two weeks after Venezuelan opposition politician (the elected head of the National Assembly in what was considered a fair vote) Juan Guaido claimed he was the legal Venezuelan leader because recently reelected president Maduro had won in what was widely considered (by locals and foreign observers) a rigged and illegal election. Most Western Hemisphere nations and many European ones backed Guaido (as did most Venezuelans). The United States and EU nations are assisting Guaido in taking control of billions of dollars in cash and other assets belonging to Venezuela that are located in the U.S. and Europe. On the basis of all this Guaido made it clear that he will respect current economic deals and is willing to work with Russia and China, currently Venezuelas largest creditors. Maduro has the active support of Cuba, North Korea, Iran and perhaps Russia.
https://strategypage.com/qnd/china/articles/20190206.aspx
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Again, nonsense, the US already gets the majority of Venezuelan oil and oil prices are set by world demand, not Maduro.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)sarisataka
(18,633 posts)Invaded Venezuela? Did I miss something?
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)we have a lot of neo-cons real close to home that have supported a regime change. Everytime I see one of them post I just want to fucking scream.
malaise
(268,967 posts)We have a winner
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)I'll stick to the other 40 countries, including the US and most Latin American and European nations.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)You don't get a free ride of just throwing bullshit out there and saying I said it.
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2naSalit
(86,579 posts)tritsofme
(17,377 posts)Bon voyage!
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)And know the orange shitgibbon has no right to stick his little mushroom pecker into another countries business. I won't be a tRump apologist either.
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)Among others
Maybe...just maybe...that calls for some self reflection on ones position?
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)The Venezuelan government has made a lot of mistakes but I can't support a coup to put a Bolsonaro ally as head of their government.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)So a starving populace with scarce food and medicine with a dictator for life and the world's highest inflation is somehow better for the Venezuelans? All the ones I know disagree.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)But instituting a right-wing government by coup is not a solution to those problems. A lot of their problems is due to the drop in oil prices and sanctions from the US. The Carter Center said the past election wasn't free and fair for Maduro and I think they're right. We should have a negotiated settlement that has Maduro step down and have a transitional government come in with members of the opposition in it. I don't want a Bolsonaro friend in power and I don't want to see the US start a war down in Venezuela with the help of Bolton.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Can we please stop with that nonsense?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Venezuela without having the slightest idea of what is happening there. They are generally divided into 2 sub-groups: 1) Those who insist that Chavez nationalized Venezuelan oil (actually, done in 1957) and those who believe that the U.S. is dying to get its hands on the nasty sour sludge that ish Venezuelan crude (notwithstanding that the U.S. is the client for more than 40% of Venezula's oil right now. They just repeat the memes that float among that group and think that repeating them makes them sound knowledgeable.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Pretty much nobody has said the US government is going to seize Venezuela.
So, let's not say someone has. That would be a good way to stop the madness, before it even starts.
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)They are living on the earth over OUR oil. This is Bolton's desire to destabilize the world.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)And the right wing Cuban Americans
lark
(23,097 posts)This is all bout stealing their oil, moting less. Just like drumpf wanted to steal Iraqi oil, he now wants to steal Venezuela's. That so much of the world is jumping on this bandwagon just sickens and saddens me. Fucking oligarchs are united on this, which just shows how very wrong it is.
procon
(15,805 posts)goes the spoils of war. He lamented not being allowed to loot the oil wealth from the people of Iraq and he's still of a like mindset if he makes a military move on Venezuela. He will want to steal the oil from the citizens there even though it is the primary revenue source for the whole country.
Trump doesn't care if he leaves millions of innocent civilians even worse off than they already are, his greed is disgusting.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)I don't recall a seizure...by the U.S., Canada, the E.U.......
Did i miss something?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)These monsters' profit-motivated bloodthirst is unquenchable.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)wiggs
(7,812 posts)and used it the way they wanted.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Response to malaise (Original post)
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