OMG the Joy show is absolute shit right now

[manor321]

Holy shit I am fucking PISSED!

Joy on MSNBC just spent FOREVER talking about Schultz, and now they are going ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON about the Warren Native American nonsense.

This segment must have been going on for 15+ minutes and NOT ONE FUCKING SECOND spent on ANY of Warren's policy proposals.

Just "Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian"

This shit should be BOYCOTTED!


EDIT: And the segment is now over. Literally not one second spent on any of Warren's policy proposals.

EDIT2: The show has posted two short clips from this segment, to give you an idea. Remember, zero discussion of Medicare for All, taxing the super wealthy or ANY policies at all.

Link to tweet

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[Sherman A1]

1. This is all part of the "Horse Race" narrative designed to keep one watching "their" channels

The narrative is designed to keep everyone worked up and worried that "their" candidate is up or down according to the polling and lasted whatever. It is rarely if ever a discussion of the issues. It goes like this......

This week She is up until there is a hiccup of some small issue blown way out of proportion in the Breathless 24/7 Cable Noise Infotainment. Next Week He's up and doing well in some obscure poll with 12 people and a cat responding, but Oh Noes, by week end a new face has entered the run and all the oxygen is taken out of the room. Followed by the discovery that as a child the fresh face pushed another kid in the hall way in grammar school so that will take several news cycles between the pharmaceutical ads to discuss. Week 4 She will make a strong speech and return to the top of the polling, but will it be enough to overcome the whispered stories of her 3rd cousin 14 times removed being addicted to Snickers Bars? In the meantime He will get tongue tied turning an interview having not had enough sleep and there will be questions of his age and can he really serve? The Fresh Face will suddenly soar to the top on word of a fundraiser far exceeding its goals of $12.47.

Rinse and repeat but be sure to allow time for more ads for drugs we never knew we needed and the anchors hawking their latest books on The Crisis in the Media.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Nailed it. . . . nt

[ChubbyStar]

12. So happy I do not have TV in my home n/t

[exboyfil]

30. We are doomed as a country

I am not on board with Warren, but you are right, the public needs to spend more time focusing on policy and capability today, and not something that happened 30 plus years ago. She made a mistake. I personally feel she thought she would gain an advantage by claiming Native American heritage. Whether she did or not is actually irrelevant. That fact does not exclude her from being President.

[watoos]

33. Nope, I disagree,

Of course networks have to make money but that is secondary to sticking to the narrative.

All of the 3 major cable news networks push the right wing corporate narrative. MSNBC merely puts a liberal slant to the right wing narrative.

Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Cenk Uygur, Melissa Harris/Perry, Martin Brashear, Ed Schultz, and my favorite Dylan Ratigan who was passionately explaining our nation's crony capitalism so dummies like me could understand, all of these people had good ratings (money makers) yet they were all fired because they strayed from the right wing corporate narrative.

The M$M is not our friend.

[CentralMass]

39. +1

[mountain grammy]

47. Yes to all of the above.

I loved Dylan Ratigan too

[lapucelle]

102. ...

Congressional candidate Dylan Ratigan told a gathering of Democrats earlier this month that he might have voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential contest, if he had cast a ballot. That’s according to four people who were at the public luncheon May 18th in Saratoga County.

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/36289/20180528/ny21-democrats-say-ratigan-voiced-preference-for-trump-over-clinton

[pandr32]

60. + 1000

[KPN]

61. Bingo! Except for Rachel, they all strike me,

including Joy, as corporate shills. What really bothers me about that is in the horse race, they select and promote a “winner”.

[Sherman A1]

74. I find as noted in my post that

they select a winner about once a week in order to maintain the horse race.

[spooky3]

127. I think Lawrence O'Donnell is good too. I appreciate

his explaining Congressional procedures in ways I can understand. And his snark is the best.

[KPN]

137. Yeah, forgot about Lawrence O. He just comes across too strident for me.

To be fair, I don't mind the little bit I've seen of Ari Melber, Ali Velshi, Katy Tur or Hallie Jackson either. Chris Hayes I'm 50-50 on. The rest though ... Joy, Joe/Myra?, Brian Williams, Nicole Wallace, Stephanie Ruhle strike me as corporate shills.

[spooky3]

140. Stephanie gives me a very different impression. I think she and Ali are

Very good but don’t get to see them much.

[Sherman A1]

72. I believe that was my point.

The "Horse Race" Narrative is as stated designed to make money, but also to keep folks agitated (as is a good percentage of the other infotainment), distracted and buying into the narrative being offered. Yes, most of that is I wouldn't say so much RW as it is Corporate and granted they are very much aligned.

Keep folks pointing fingers at and arguing with each other playing the blame (insert name of group here) and the big money folks laugh all the way to the bank.

[mcar]

95. Ed Schultz?

The Russian stooge - that Ed Schultz?

[Gothmog]

122. I enjoued AMJOY's coverage today

Link to tweet

[DownriverDem]

49. Keep watching

They cover other stuff.

[Sherman A1]

67. Please feel free to keep watching

I get my news elsewhere and from multiple sources that don't use high pitched blather and scream at me.

[malaise]

70. This should be an OP

Most excellent

[Sherman A1]

73. Please feel free to do so

my post generally do not garner much interest.

[malaise]

75. I'll kick it

Please repost it as an OP

[Sherman A1]

77. I appreciate your thoughts but as mentioned

most of what I put up sinks very rapidly.

If you want to copy, paste, fold, bend, spindle or whatever please feel free to do so. It's just an opinion and hardly copyright material.

[lunatica]

138. I would rec and kick it too.

Which would never happen if you give up. I’ve probably had hundreds of my OPs sink so fast I could never find them again!

If you post it just respond to this post to let me know and I’ll rec and kick it. It’s a really good description of what the media does!

[TimeToGo]

91. Yep

So tiring.

[Gothmog]

116. AMJOY did a good cross examinaiton of the Schultz representative

I thought that Joy did a good job on this representative

[Beartracks]

128. Folks, read THIS post. It's the summary you're looking for. n/t

[MarcA]

131. It may not be good for America but it's good for Corporate Media. n/t

[c-rational]

2. I generally like Joy, but agree with the philosophy of discussing policy, not nonsense, likability

or looks.

[not fooled]

80. Charlie Pierce has written great pieces on this bullsh*t

re Warren and the NA ancestry issue.

Basically, it's "Damned if she addressed the issue and damned if she didn't", and throw in that it's all designed to turn the narrative away from her policy proposals.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a25713946/elizabeth-warren-announce-run-for-president-2020/]


https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23845480/elizabeth-warren-native-american-dna-test-media-coverage/]

I am reminded of the account in Horace Porter's book about campaigning with Ulysses S. Grant of how sick Grant was of hearing his officers worry about what Robert E. Lee was going to do.

The general rose to his feet, took his cigar out of his mouth, turned to the officer, and replied, with a degree of animation which he seldom manifested : "Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do."

You can't run a campaign—military or political—with an attitude like that. After all, absent direct confrontation, what would be SPW's other options? Ignore the smears and calumny? Ask Presidents Dukakis, Kerry, and Hillary Rodham Clinton how that worked out.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23787339/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-pocahontas-native-american-heritage/]

Yes, I am very sorry that our politics is in such a degraded state that it was even necessary for Senator Professor Warren to jump through this particular hoop. After all, the whole thing has been a buffoonish smear from the start, and it hasn't even been that much of a drawback to her political success.

[hlthe2b]

3. while I agree that Warren has not handled the NA issue at all well, the knives are out to destroy

her campaign before she even gets started. I think it is a very concerted effort from a lot of sources--not just the RW, but Wall Street for sure. It is being compounded on the left, unfortunately.

[Power 2 the People]

126. +1

[shirleye]

4. How you can be more offended by Warren than Trump on racism?

Do these spokespeople speak for the tribe or themselves and I wouldn't be surprised if something going on no one defends Trail of Tears over someone not knowing which their Grandma was

[DURHAM D]

11. Rebecca Nagle speaks for herself.

Basically she is a performance artist.

[klook]

19. Nagle shared this perspective with Laura Ingraham's audience on Fox

in October 2018.



Interesting perspective on this from Boston Globe writer Liz Goodwin in Feb. 2018:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/02/22/digging-into-family-claims-cherokee-ancestry/YsLF19KicQpC9Tw1qS5WXJ/story.html

[DURHAM D]

26. Yep.

The point is to do the ancestry research so they can exclude anyone claiming native heritage.

It is all about the money.

Remember the Freedman fight that the Tribal leaders launched in 2007?

Judge Rules That Cherokee Freedmen Have Right To Tribal Citizenship

A judge ruled Wednesday that the descendants of enslaved people who were owned by members of the Cherokee Nation — known as Cherokee Freedmen — have citizenship rights.

"The Cherokee Nation can continue to define itself as it sees fit," U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan wrote in his ruling, "but must do so equally and evenhandedly with respect to native Cherokees and the descendants of Cherokee Freedmen."

After Emancipation, the Cherokee Nation granted its former slaves tribal citizenship as part of a treaty with the U.S. government in 1866. But in 2007, Cherokee members voted overwhelmingly to strip 2,800 Freedmen of their membership, defining tribal citizenship as "by blood."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/31/547705829/judge-rules-that-cherokee-freedmen-have-right-to-tribal-citizenship

It is all about the money.

[klook]

51. Wow, didn't know about the Freedmen angle.

Very interesting. I really didn’t know there were Cherokee slave holders. Ugh, the history of the U.S.A. is a patchwork of ugly, isn’t it?

Next time Joy Reid has Rebecca Nagle on, I hope she’ll ask her about that. {not holding my breath}

[DURHAM D]

68. The whole time I was watching Joy this morning I

kept asking myself if Joy knows about the Freedman dispute. It is ugly.

btw - Do you know about the all-black towns in Oklahoma that were established by the Native American Freedman?

Here is a wiki entry for Boley, OK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boley,_Oklahoma

Boley was established in 1903 as a predominantly Black pioneer town with persons having Native American ancestry among its citizens.

[klook]

110. Thank you for enlightening me!

Fascinating history — thanks much. I would like to delve into this further.

[DURHAM D]

112. You are welcome.

Many years ago I was visiting the Five Civilized Tribes Museum in Oklahoma.

I was with a group of about 10 people and I asked our guide why these five tribes received the designation "civilized".

Her response: Because they were slave holders.

Everyone in the group gasped.

[Oneironaut]

5. And this is why Trump will likely win again in 2020

The only way to stop him is to run a candidate who will turn his attacks against him.

Trump knows how to effectively hijack the media and turn it into a propaganda tool. They will do the same against whoever we run in 2020. He creates soundbites that can be easily spread on Facebook and the media.

It's not hopeless, but the odds are stacked against us.

[RKP5637]

7. He's a master propagandist. He knows how to work the media and The Stupid in America. n/t

[lancelyons]

31. No it dems expecting their candidates to be perfect in all ways

Or we eat them alive.

Gop can drop a stink bomb and like flies wefollow the stink and ignore everything else.

[watoos]

41. Yeah, I agree,

the narrative that is growing now is that Amy Klobuchar is a mean boss. This one actually makes me laugh. If that's all the dirt that the right wing smear machine can come up with to besmirch Amy, she will be fine.

[RKP5637]

63. Yep!!! Sad, but true. No candidate will ever be perfect to all people. The GOP uses that as a tool

against democrats ... and too many democrats allow them to do it.

[Ilsa]

9. And he has people like roger stone who has no compunction

about spreading malicious lies about good people to get his way. He and others like him are sociopaths. They'll make soundbites about how corrupt someone is for feeding the poor and saving the homeless.

[watoos]

37. Trump doesn't need to hijack,

the cable news networks, they are already complicit in the right wing corporate agenda.

[exboyfil]

38. That is why I think Klobuchar's supposed weakness

actually could be a strength. I think about Moe Greene's line in Godfather.

"I got a business to run. I gotta kick asses sometimes to make it run right. We had a little argument, Freddy and me, so I had to straighten him out."

[watoos]

46. Exactly, well said,

I'm fine with our next president ruling the roost with a sledge hammer.

[oldsoftie]

84. But wouldn't that just be a Democratic Trump? ugh.

Ruling the roost was done in the past by Pres Obama & others; I dont think they needed a sledgehammer. Plenty of todays candidates wont need one either. I hope.

[John1956PA]

43. Russian social media trolls serve lies that are spread by bots and shared by low-information voters

I agree with your assessemnt that "It's not hopeless, but the odds are stacked against us."

[watoos]

52. Yes, the odds have been against us for decades.

The M$M has always been right wing. The Russian trolls and bots makes it worse for us but we have an advantage that we learned from what they did.

Listen hard everyone, the only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves. Recognize that what is shown in the M$M, in cable news, is propaganda. Whatever we do we cannot become discouraged.

Do not fall for bogus polls they are part of the propaganda.

Do not criticize our Democratic candidates, we have a very good crop, the cream will rise to the top and we will end up with a candidate who we can all get behind.

The end is near for the GOP/Trump control in the Senate.

The end is near for Trump.

Stay the course, united we stand, divided we fall.

[Gothmog]

117. Joy did a good job on a good number of issues today

For Example

Link to tweet

[RKP5637]

6. Sadly often the nonsense and crap is what attracts viewers. For example, hate sells well in

America. Have a show that is really peaceful and few controversies and many tune out. It's how many Americans are bred.

[pangaia]

40. It's the old local news- all traffic accidents, storms, murders,

anything negative or violent sells.

because.. perhaps, so many Americans have no real inner life. They are totally empty and the only way they can feel alive is by having negative emotions.

trump is the epitome of this.. a person who is really dead.. and he feels dead... only his negativity gives him a chance to feel alive.


sad

[RKP5637]

65. Agree!!! Exceptionally well said!!! n/t

[sprinkleeninow]

94. Yes. 👍 eom

[PatSeg]

8. That really pisses me off

Cable TV is doing the republicans work for them. With all the real scandals out there, why do they keep focusing on this non-story? Did they really learn nothing from "Hillary's emails"?

We had a week packed full of very real and dynamic stories. Howard Schultz is boring and no one cares that Warren's family believed they had Native American ancestry (as do many people in this country). Did Warren cheat on her taxes? Take money and gifts from foreign nationals? Use her position to enrich her friends and relatives? Take corporate donations in return for favorable legislation votes? Knowingly lie about pretty much ANYTHING?

Warren's problem is that she is squeaky clean and principled, so the right is more likely to try and undermine her any way they can. They certainly don't need the MSM to be an echo chamber.

[Gothmog]

118. Joy covered some trump issues today

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

139. Yes she did

I did watch her and fast-forwarded through Howard Schultz and half of the Native American segment. Fortunately she did cover other stories. I'm really just so tired of the Native American one. I don't think there is much else to say about it.

[PJMcK]

13. Looks like they got your eyeballs

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Thanks for the report.

[oasis]

14. Joy's weekend guests are some of the most informative

and enlightening to appear on MSNBC. I don't expect every segment to be 100% to my liking. That said, Joy's guest who "represented" the Native American community was mush to harsh on Sen. Warren.

[EffieBlack]

18. She also worked over Bill Burton, Schultz's guy, pretty good

[oasis]

22. I consider Joy a major advocate for the Democratic Party. I give

MSNBC due credit for keeping her on and finding other slots for her during the week.

[INdemo]

54. She might be an adovcate

for the Rightwing Republicans..fast conversion for he and I would bet her contact is up soon.

[oasis]

55. "advocate for the Rightwing Republicans"?????

gimme a friggin' break!

[Jakes Progress]

87. You really don't know

what you are talking about.

Your sentence make no sense. But you if think that Joy is a right winger, you are completely out of the loop.

[mcar]

96. I love her show

Don't get MSNBC but I pull up her shows on You Tube most weekends. Why are people so hateful to her?

[oasis]

142. "Why the hate?". Sadly, some folks can't get over stuff. nt

[bullwinkle428]

23. I think she cut him to ribbons, and laid bare the bullshit that Schultz and his

acolytes are attempting to push as his main selling points. I can't freaking believe she's being dragged over the coals for this!

[Gothmog]

119. Agreed

Link to tweet

[oasis]

141. Great tweet, thanks. Joy's on top of her game.

[LakeSuperiorView]

15. Not just "Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian, Indian"

It was Not Cherokee, Not Cherokee, Not Cherokee, Not Cherokee, Not Cherokee, Not Cherokee.

Which says absolfreakinglutely nothing about the (small amount of) Native American heritage that she DOES have. The "expert" that she had on kept bragging about how well documented the absolutely all of the people Cherokee are. Which is bullshit, because there is no group that has absolutely everyone documented that far back. Not being able to find someone in historical records does not mean that they didn't exist or weren't part of some other tribe.

She has Native American ancestors. She got no preference on her Bar application for stating she had Native American ancestors. Period. End of story.

[DURHAM D]

29. The rolls are messy plus

a few years back I tried to help a friend who was looking for info on her father's family who was native. The federal census listed every tribe member on his reservation at one address and, even worse, did not list them by family unit.

[exboyfil]

42. She didn't state she had Native American ancestors

She claimed her primary racial identity was Native American. I can only think of one credible reason for doing that - an attempt to obtain an advantage in a position or business. Whether she actually did is irrelevant.

On the other hand she made a mistake 30+ years ago. Who should care now. Who she is now is what is important.

[EffieBlack]

69. Exactly. That's problematic, but not fatal

My concern is less that she did that then than that neither she nor her team addressed it before it came out. That was a public bar filing that she submitted herself and it's part of her public record. They should have found that and gotten out in front of it before it became a thing.

[Drunken Irishman]

107. It may be fatal due to her response...

The response is worse than the story. Not sure why she even consented to the DNA test.

[LakeSuperiorView]

115. Read the application! It clearly states the question was for statisical purposes only.

There was no advantage, and it is bullshit to claim what her motives may have been. It wouldn't have mattered if she said Martian. Normally the answers on questions like that are not even tabulated with names associated.

The "expert" on Joy went on and on about her not being Cherokee. Like that means anything. There's over 500 different tribes in the US. Ancestry DNA has ONE genetic group for all of them. She has some Native American heritage. That was proven with her DNA test. What particular group of Native Americans her ancestors came from is, to my knowledge, is unknown, as there has not been enough of a sample size to sort that out with DNA testing.

A lot of people have "family stories" of Native American ancestors and many find no trace with DNA testing, partially because there haven't been enough Native Americans taking tests. She did find that her story was more than a "story". She has some Native American ancestors. People need to get the hell over it.

I can think of only two reasons to be negative about her having Native American ancestry:

A: One doesn't like her and it's a convenient attack.
B: One is fricking racist.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Too much has no substance. Not just her.

[JaneQPublic]

17. I muted it. (nt)

[DesertRat]

20. They are feeding right into the dotard's playbook

Didn't they learn anything from 2016?

[demmiblue]

21. It was very similar to her coverage yesterday before Sen. Warren's Presidential announcement.

As an aside, "Indian" was not used, iirc.. That is not a term native/indigenous peoples would use (nor most on the left).

[CaptainTruth]

24. That's sad. I would expect Joy to do better & focus on substance over nonsense.

[Gothmog]

120. AMJOY covered some important issues today

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[TeamPooka]

25. The media is a dog. Squirrels get their attention.

[Fla Dem]

27. AM Joy getting an earful on twitter.

Link to tweet

Just a few of the comments



click on tweet to see all the comments....

[demmiblue]

35. Here is the other clip:

Link to tweet

Here is her tweet from the day before:

Link to tweet

[Polly Hennessey]

28. Thanks, manor 321.

Now, I won’t watch. I cannot tolerate that slant toward the trivial, even from Joy. The two hours I would have spent watching her will now be enjoyed reading a book.

[True Blue American]

143. Joy was once

Almost pushed out of MSNBC because she had written lot about Gays. They pushed her out of sight until the noise died own. Now she is attacking Warren?

I have not watched her for a long time. She thinks she knows everyting.

[DeminPennswoods]

32. At least Chris Hayes has promised to focus on issues

and substantive discussion of policy from now until the 2020 election.

[FakeNoose]

34. I think sometimes the MSNBC hosts have to do this "both sides" shit

As much as I respect Joy Reid, I don't think she and the other hosts get to choose their own topics all the time. I think the NBC bosses are making them take the "both sides" stance just so they can keep the Repukes happy.

It was probably distasteful for Joy to do this show, but she had to or you know, lose her job. Maybe it's not really that like that, but I'm guessing that she's hoping to get a regular weekday gig when something opens up. (For example Chris Matthews is close to retiring in a year or two.) Joy is hard-working and effective whenever she's the fill-in host on Rachel's or Lawrence's show. So that tells me that maybe she would eventually be considered for one of the top spots herself.

Another one is Chuck Todd, whose main gig is Meet the Press on Sunday mornings, still a top-rated show. Todd doesn't have many fans here on DU I know, but he has to play "both sides" in order to book the Repukes on his show. If he couldn't do that, then he'd be fired in a heartbeat I'm sure.

All I can say is, grain of salt. We know the truth about the Repukes, and we know the MSNBC hosts have to play the game sometimes. The last thing we want is for MSNBC to turn into another Faux News. Then I would boycott them for sure.

[Paladin]

44. Chuck Todd OUGHT to be fired. And Matthews' retirement needs to happen TODAY.

Those two actions would improve MSNBC immeasurably.

[Evolve Dammit]

106. Yes; both awful although Tweety has been pretty hard on Trump for last 6 months or so

[dem4decades]

129. Yeah he's hard on Trump but he's clueless

[Paladin]

132. Matthews is giving nightly evidence that he's past his prime. (nt)

[Jakes Progress]

90. It's the "tom brokaw" effect.

They think they are being "real journalists" because they talk about both sides. They equate everything. Warren believing her grandmother is "exactly the same" as trump kidnapping children and selling our country to the russians.

[ChiTownDenny]

109. +1

[MarcA]

133. Brokaw Effect - talk out of both sides of the mouth at same time. n/t

[pangaia]

36. THAT should tell you all you need to know.

The REAL deep, underlying truth about media, almost no matter WHO the front person is.

Sad, isn't it.

And a lot of us here fall for it...

[lark]

45. Joy should know better than to be part of the purity police.

Disgusting and disheartening. It shows what we are up against, media (even so-called liberal media) that wants to drag Dems in the dirt as a comparison against drumpf being in the dirt - the both sides do it BS. They don't want to talk about the not-sexy policies their bosses hate, just the BS.

[INdemo]

48. Joy Reid's contract must be up for renemal cause she is a

full fledged Right Wing Talking head now.

I watched about 15 seconds yesterday and it was about the Native American thing and the Amy Klobuchar hate segment..Yes all this in about 15 seconds of what they were about to talk about next

Alex Witt is worse

[mcar]

97. I watched her show yesterday

Just have missed her becoming a RW talking head.

[Gothmog]

123. Really? I thought that she covered trump well today

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[femmocrat]

50. That was when I turned it off.

And then Joy said she wanted to have that woman on in person! What she had to say was actually interesting, but I didn’t think it was fair to Warren.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

53. Joy could start out by simply comparing.....

what Liz had done for American consumers vs Trump......

[FakeNoose]

56. Yes I believe there are many positive things to say about Liz Warren's time in government

I can't explain why Joy Reid did this show, except maybe her boss made her do it.
Most times Joy is dynamic and her progressive creds lead the conversation.
Somebody smacked her down, is all I can guess.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

78. More billionaire effort to control everything in our lives.

They really do think their money gives them that right and we must someday change that attitude.

Power corrupts........

Far too early for me to commit to anyone for prez at this point, but Liz is a rock star to me for her fights with Wall Street and strong support of consumer protection against all their evil.

[TDale313]

57. Joy has a history of trashing Progressive candidates.

And their supporters. Haven’t been a fan for a very long time now. The hippie punching gets tiresome.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

93. Bingo.

She’s going to have her preferred candidate and trash all the others. This time she is going to have more candidates to trash.

I don’t know why anyone listens to that lying homophobe anyway. Did the FBI ever conclude their “hacking” investigation?

[Quixote1818]

134. Agree. If Joy wants to go back to this then maybe her history of homophobic remarks

should still be an issue?

[Akacia]

58. I wish they would give it a rest.

This has been blown way out of proportion. Who really cares? Report on her policies and ideas. Disappointed in Joy today.

[dem in texas]

59. She may be doing the same thing as Steve Schmidt

He was on one of the afternoon shows, I think it was Nicole Wallace, I was listening from the kitchen. He went on and on about how great Schultz was. I told my husband, something is going on and I was right. I later read that MSNBC fired Schmidt because he was being paid by Schultz as a consultant.

[greymattermom]

62. Is Joy real

or just anther Ed Shultz?

[The Wizard]

64. The Zero tolerance policy

Will lead to the demise of the Democratic Party as it will give Republicans the choice of who they want to run against. All they have to do is point a finger at any Democrat and make up a story and the Democrats will fold like a cheap suit.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

82. Not only that....

they will pick our weakest candidates, perhaps keep a little dirt on those candidates in their back pocket, then go on TV and social media and pump positive stuff on them like the Blitz.

Right out of Putin's playbook........

[KPN]

66. Joy has always undermined progressives who

focus on economic justice as their priority. At least that’s what i’ve observed. I won’t watch her anymore.

[pdsimdars]

71. Totally agree . . . Chris Hayes was right on. . . .

He has a promo for his show where he says election season is coming up and what you listen for is :
1) WHAT are they fighting for . .
2) WHO are they fighting for
3) Can you believe them
Anything else is useless. . .

[aidbo]

76. Cable news rots your brain.

[lambchopp59]

79. It sounds like fluff has completely usurped the televisionus rays

No surprise, I suppose, in the "alternative facts" era.
Circa 1981 or so, a television I'd inherited from my late grandmother did not survive the last object I threw at it when Ray Gun blathered more trickle down nonsense. I'd always found televisionus programming a nauseating total waste of time, at the time I preferred to spend time in my garden or soft music with a book and my pets in the evening.
About 20 years thereafter, having made some fragile reconciliation with my parental units to where they dared visit my gay household for thanksgiving, they were terribly dismayed that I subscribed to no television services. At the time Dish network had a pre-paid plan, so the following year I subscribed to a month of their swill and bought an actual television to display it upon.
The following year Dish no longer offered the pre-paid plan, and I had to "subscribe" to appease my aging parents.
With exception of specialty channels, the selections still required sifting through hours and copious selections of garbage for tiny bits of informational programming. After my parents demise, the televisionus rays no longer invade my home.

[dlk]

81. First and Foremost, The Corporate Media Exists to Make a Profit

The days of relying on one or two sources for viable news and information has long passed. In the information age, it takes seeking out a variety of sources to get reliable news. I'm guessing Warren's "Indian" will be this election cycle's "emails."

[Skidmore]

83. Just what the right wants.

Black and brown people cut off from venues where they can voice their concerns. Joy isvone if the few hosts who is present on cable networks you hold discussions with people not normally seen. RW trolls have tried to shut such venues down It is disappointing to hear attacks from the left.

Schultz needs to be discussed because he is a threat who can very much put Trump back in and cut off any avenues toward the change we want to see. The Senate is up too and, frankly, all I see everywhere is carping on the presidential candidates. We need to be able to govern effectively.

Warren's policies were discussed.

To effect change, we need to also be heard nationally. Nothing like cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

[mcar]

98. Thank you!

I was starting to think I was in the wrong place.

Every week, Joy's show includes experts and pundits from all walks of life - many of whom we'd never see or hear from otherwise. I enjoy their perspectives, even if I don't agree with all of them all the time. This trashing of her is quite distressing.

[ehrnst]

101. Exactly... (nt)

[George II]

103. I didn't have a problem with her show. I liked that she called out that spokesperson for Schultz...

He was pretty obnoxious and apologetic for Schultz' billions. To be honest, I really don't think Schultz will formally announce.

This is going to be a very big election - of the 33 Senate seats up for election, 21 are now republican seats and 12 Democratic seats, just about the opposite of last year. We have a great chance of taking over the Senate, keeping the House, and hopefully putting trump or Pence out to pasture.

[George II]

111. Here are the Senate seats up next year:

Alabama Doug Jones (D) R+13
Alaska Dan Sullivan (R) R+9
Arkansas Tom Cotton (R) R+15
Colorado Cory Gardner (R) D+1
Delaware Chris Coons (D) D+6
Georgia David Perdue (R) R+5
Idaho Jim Risch (R) R+19
Illinois Dick Durbin (D) D+7
Iowa Joni Ernst (R) R+3
Kansas Pat Roberts (R) R+13
Kentucky Mitch McConnell (R) R+15
Louisiana Bill Cassidy (R) R+11
Maine Susan Collins (R) D+3
Mass Ed Markey (D) D+12
Michigan Gary Peters (D) D+1
Minnesota Tina Smith (D) D+1
Mississippi Cindy Hyde-Smith (R) R+9
Montana Steve Daines (R) R+11
Nebraska Ben Sasse (R) R+14
NH Jeanne Shaheen (D) Even
NJ Cory Booker (D) D+7
NM Tom Udall (D) D+3
N. Car. Thom Tillis (R) R+3
Oklahoma Jim Inhofe (R) R+20
Oregon Jeff Merkley (D) D+5
RI Jack Reed (D) D+10
S Carolina Lindsey Graham (R) R+8
S Dakota Mike Rounds (R) R+14
Tennessee Lamar Alexander (R) R+14
Texas John Cornyn (R) R+8
Virginia Mark Warner (D) D+1
W Virginia Shelley Moore Capito (R) R+19
Wyoming Mike Enzi (R) R+25

[Hermit-The-Prog]

135. rearranging your list

From most R to most D:

Wyoming Mike Enzi (R) R+25
Oklahoma Jim Inhofe (R) R+20
Idaho Jim Risch (R) R+19
W Virginia Shelley Moore Capito (R) R+19
Kentucky Mitch McConnell (R) R+15
Arkansas Tom Cotton (R) R+15
Nebraska Ben Sasse (R) R+14
S Dakota Mike Rounds (R) R+14
Tennessee Lamar Alexander (R) R+14
Alabama Doug Jones (D) R+13
Kansas Pat Roberts (R) R+13
Louisiana Bill Cassidy (R) R+11
Montana Steve Daines (R) R+11
Alaska Dan Sullivan (R) R+9
Mississippi Cindy Hyde-Smith (R) R+9
S Carolina Lindsey Graham (R) R+8
Texas John Cornyn (R) R+8
Georgia David Perdue (R) R+5
Iowa Joni Ernst (R) R+3
N. Car. Thom Tillis (R) R+3
NH Jeanne Shaheen (D) Even
Colorado Cory Gardner (R) D+1
Michigan Gary Peters (D) D+1
Minnesota Tina Smith (D) D+1
Virginia Mark Warner (D) D+1
Maine Susan Collins (R) D+3
NM Tom Udall (D) D+3
Oregon Jeff Merkley (D) D+5
Delaware Chris Coons (D) D+6
Illinois Dick Durbin (D) D+7
NJ Cory Booker (D) D+7
RI Jack Reed (D) D+10
Mass Ed Markey (D) D+12

I hope the number is wrong for Moscow Mitch. It's not likely he will be in prison before the election, so it's still a matter of educating an electorate that is very resistant to facts.

[George II]

136. Thanks, that makes it easier to assess. I think we're going to lose Doug Jones - we were lucky....

....to get him because Roy Moore was so weak. But he's the only Democrat I see losing.

On the other hand, with Stacey Abrams running so strong in November, we could knock off Perdue (who knows, maybe she'll run?), and we could defeat Gardner and Collins (people in Maine are fed up with her) Unfortunately that would still leave us one short - 49 to 51.

I wonder what the people of Iowa think of Ernst or those in N. Carolina think of Tillis? They're the only other republicans who aren't in really strong red states, except maybe Cornyn. Could Beto be considering running against him? He'll have two more years of exposure and a stronger organization.

It's going to be a squeaker, and the Democratic candidate's showing in the Presidential election is going have an effect, too.

[lapucelle]

113. So many knickers in a knot...it almost feels staged. N/T

[Gothmog]

125. AMJOY covers some important issues

For example

Link to tweet

[yaesu]

85. MSM will do the circus thing again, dog and pony show

i think Joy has sold out to the big paycheck.

[tonedevil]

86. Perhaps her show...

has been hacked.

[qazplm135]

88. if Elizabeth Warren were center right

no one here would be defending her.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

89. This nonsense is a huge part of why I don't own a TV.

You simply don't learn anything useful most of the time. People allow themselves to get caught up in various bullshit narratives and completely overlook what actually matters.

I frequently find myself pointing out to people here that their TV does have an off button, which ought to be exercises a bit more often.

[milestogo]

92. I am completely done with Joy.

[Basement Beat]

99. I think Joy Reid is Kamala or bust

I like her and show quite a bit...but I noticed she and many people connected to her show furiously go after people who dare question Kamala's past policies - at least via Twitter.

[Doitnow]

100. The media did not give a dime's worth of time to Bernie and those same

issues that Sen. Warren and other progressives have been advocating, ... The Whole First Year, of his campaign with Clinton. We had to tune into that special channel on line to get to hear his speeches and see his Enormous crowds.

The reason we are hearing of these issues now is because Bernie has been traversing the country talking about all of them for the past 4 years. The majority of this country likes what he says. Don't you all hear Bernie talking when the newcomers speak? Thank you, Bernie!

And guess who first put into actual practice the challenge of accepting NO big donor money! Another Thank you, Bernie.

And let's not hear any more "Old Age" business.

[Evolve Dammit]

105. Agreed. They (media) did it to Kucinich in 2004 as well. Marginalized and maligned him mostly.

[Evolve Dammit]

104. I love Elizabeth Warren but the DNA test did not help.

I believe she thought it would vindicate her and she took a chance, but unfortunately it didn't. Hope we can talk about other issues and she can overcome this, but given the media bias and character assassination that occurs 24/7, it is uphill. She is one of the most threatening to the status quo (health lobby, Wall St., uber-rich, gun lobby) and the knives are out. The hate machine now has their talking points and corporate media has largely followed it. Trump is disgusting but very good at using these insults to his advantage and to appeal to the fifth grade mentality base. It works. He destroyed the GOP candidates similarly in the primary.

[rusty fender]

108. This type of talk show blather was

exactly what the cold opening on SNL last night was about.

[earthshine]

114. I like Warren much more than Reid.

What do you stand for? What do you fight for?

[spooky3]

130. I like them both and don't expect either to be perfect. Nt

[ecstatic]

121. I don't agree with your characterization of the segment.

It's a topic that has come up and liberals representing opposite sides of the issue discussed how they viewed it. We can't bury our head in the sand with regard to the topics that will be brought up in the primaries and/or GE.

[Gothmog]

124. Ex-Fox News guest hammers 'half-witted' hosts and 'audience of half-witted people' for border lies

This made me smile

Link to tweet