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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:27 PM Feb 2019

When Donald Jr. is indicted, how exactly do you see things changing?

Note that I did not say "If Donald Jr. is indicted..."

Donald Jr. will be indicted. It might be sooner. It might be later. It might initially be for process crimes. But an indictment of Donald Jr. seems to be a foregone conclusion, just as an indictment of Roger Stone was a forgone conclusion for several months.

It will happen.

At that point, the firewall around Trump will have been breached. Mueller will have reached the family circle. No longer can he throw out the "coffee boy" excuse.

The question is, how will Trump react at that point? Will he go bonkers, attempt to have Mueller fired? Will he attempt to throw his own son to the wolves? Will he start issuing pardons left and right?

I feel we are on the precipice of some major shakings that will take place once Don Jr. is indicted. I just don't know what they will be.

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When Donald Jr. is indicted, how exactly do you see things changing? (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2019 OP
For one thing, we won't have to see his stupid tweets. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #1
Think again. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2019 #3
Im still on IF lame54 Feb 2019 #2
I think if that happens... PTWB Feb 2019 #4
There might be a catch PJMcK Feb 2019 #11
I don't think Jr gets indicted until the final Mueller report is released cbdo2007 Feb 2019 #5
I think Donny Jr will get kicked under the bus by dear old dad. Doreen Feb 2019 #6
Indictments of Trump and family will be near the end, stalling Trump's reactions until near the end. tableturner Feb 2019 #7
I'd bet that initially Jr is slipped out of the country to slow things down. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2019 #8
I think that's highly likely Retrograde Feb 2019 #10
1) Individual 1's tantrum will blow a hole in the White House roof; lastlib Feb 2019 #9
What will Kimberly do? What WILL she do? MineralMan Feb 2019 #12

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
3. Think again.
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:28 PM
Feb 2019

Go to Roger Stone's Instagram feed.

You will see that stupid is alive and well, long after one has been read his Miranda rights.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
4. I think if that happens...
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:30 PM
Feb 2019

1. Trump pardons Jr. immediately and claims the indictment is a partisan witch hunt as he is always saying.

2. Dems in the house move for and successfully impeach Trump.

3. Repubs in the senate refuse to convict.

4. It is up to us to kick him out in 2020.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
11. There might be a catch
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

I've read elsewhere that if Trump is part of the conspiracy, he cannot pardon someone charged in the conspiracy. The other day, Louise Mensch (I know...) wrote that senior someone from SCOTUS (not a justice) delivered such a message to the White House.

To be clear, I have no idea if any of that is true but it would be sweet if Trump's pardon powers did have some restrictions.

We live in interesting times if you're a Constitutional scholar.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
5. I don't think Jr gets indicted until the final Mueller report is released
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:35 PM
Feb 2019

So all Trump's stuff is out in the open and he is named as an unindicted co-conspirator, so he won't have power to do much. Then House will Impeach.

tableturner

(1,682 posts)
7. Indictments of Trump and family will be near the end, stalling Trump's reactions until near the end.
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:37 PM
Feb 2019

Mueller will wait so that any of Trump's over the top reactions will be after Mueller is mostly finished. As a result, the firings and other fascist moves will mostly be too late.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,835 posts)
8. I'd bet that initially Jr is slipped out of the country to slow things down.
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:38 PM
Feb 2019

Ultimately we'll see a pardon.

What I'm really intrigued by is the rumor that Kushner has been cooperating and wearing a wire.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
10. I think that's highly likely
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:26 PM
Feb 2019

Trump will try to spin it as Jr going off to manage family affairs in - Russia? Saudi Arabia? somewhere where we don't have an extradition treaty?

Question is, will Jr be allowed to take his Secret Service protection with him?

lastlib

(23,233 posts)
9. 1) Individual 1's tantrum will blow a hole in the White House roof;
Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:56 PM
Feb 2019

2) Individual 1 strokes out;

3) after a month or so of convalesence, he resumes his office and tries to write out (in crayon, of course) full pardons for every member of his family; also orders Barr to fire Mueller. Barr complies to prevent another stroke by Individual 1.

4) The House impeaches him, causing another presidential stroke; trial begins in the Senate with Donny heavily sedated and wearing a neat white jacket with lo-o-o-ong sleeves.

5) The GOP-controlled Senate fails to convict, and we're stuck with having to throw his fat a** out in 2020. Fortunately for us, he can't campaign in that neat jacket, and the GOP nominates Pence instead. GOP loses White House in a landslide not seen since Washington's election, winning only Kansas and Mississipi. Senate & House also go Dem. in major shift that buries GOP.

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