I was wrong and I want to apologize to leftynyc

[DirtEdonE]

I made statements based on insufficient information, assumptions and ignorance. I researched information and talked to people and found my assumptions were not only wrong but hurtful, which I should have know. I realize now that so many of the people I know who send their children to Israel aren't dual citizens but just Jews who want to visit their home.

I'm sorry leftynyc for being what I hate most - an ignorant bigot. I'll try to be more sensitive and careful with all my thoughts and words here from now on.

Well, all except for that traitor trump.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel

[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. There's something you don't see too often on DU: someone fessin' up.

Good for you.

Everyone makes mistakes. Someday, even I will.

Thanks.

[3Hotdogs]

4. Hell, I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

But yeah, well done.

[tblue37]

14. So you WERE wrong--about being wrong. nt

[at140]

26. Is he wrong about being wrong even if he knows he is wrong?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. That's very wrong of you to say.

[Susan Calvin]

51. Classic DU subthread!

[WhiteTara]

2. DU is a daily education

I try to never underestimate the intelligence of my fellow board members.

[Persondem]

3. Rare to see this on the internet. Well done. K & R nt

[Brawndo]

5. I applaud your integrity! Good on you.

[Enoki33]

6. Class, integrity and inspirational. Big example too.

[Susan Calvin]

7. This is a model apology.

It makes me happy, and I don't even know anything about the initial discussion.

[LakeArenal]

8. Well done. DUers have integrity.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Cool

[Snotcicles]

10. The confession of one humbles all.... Antonio Porchia nt

[MontanaMama]

11. Well said and good on you.

DU’s Effie Black kicked my ass once...I forget why exactly but after reasearching I found that she was right, I was wrong and I said so. Felt good after I did it too.

[IronLionZion]

12. Many people have relatives overseas

I have coworkers whose parents live in Israel, so that's where they would go for their kids to visit grandparents.

Israel welcomes Jews from anywhere into their country. It's easy enough for them to become Israeli citizens if they want to. Or get tourist visas, some with multiple entry and long stays over several months.

Birthright offers free trips to many Jewish kids to travel to Israel if they want to see the holy land.

The liberal mind is more open to travel, moving, and having friends/family around the world. The conservative mind, not as much.

[DirtEdonE]

13. I just logged in to check on everything

I appreciate the kind words but I really don't feel like I deserve them. If I'd done the right thing in the first place I wouldn't have had to apologize and I wouldn't have caused division here when we need unity more than ever.

I'm going to take some time off posting for a little while. I'll see you all soon.

Best.

[mia]

15. May your respite be filled with peace.

Thank you for your post.

[Felix872019]

16. I'm leftynyc

I can only hope the moderators understand that I only set up a new account because mine is under review and I couldn't wait to respond to a truly heartfelt apology. You have touched my heart with it. Things got hot-it's a topic I feel deeply about and was having a bad day which is certainly no excuse on my part. I add my unreserved apology to you for my harsh words. If the moderators decide to ban me, this will be the last time I post but will be filled with regret because DU has been a home to me almost since its inception. I wish you peace and a blessed Shabbat Shalom.

[mia]

17. I missed the thread that all of this was about.

Thank you for you post.

[Susan Calvin]

24. In a rational world, they won't. nt

[True Dough]

28. Just create another account if they do ban you

You seem like good people. Keep coming back!

[Cha]

18. ..

[Cha]

20. Good to see you, too!

[DirtEdonE]

25. I'm so sorry your account is under review lefty

I said I wouldn't post for a while but I checked in because I hoped you might reply. I was angry too and I retaliated. Now I've caused harm and I can only hope I can remedy what I've caused.

Please, DU mods, what I said was a lie and lefty only pointed that out. That isn't flaming, IMO. He didn't directly attack me, he attacked the lie I told. Exposing a lie isn't flaming, it's fighting for the TRUTH, which we have far too little of in our country these days already.

Mods, if it's possible, I'm rescinding my complaint based on the fact that I lied and lefty only did what was right by pointing out that fact.

Please reinstate lefty's account and don't hold him accountable for making an effort here to bring peace here.

I would never have joined DU if I knew it would lead to divisiveness and the suspension of a long time member who surely deserves better treatment than a hot head newcomer.

Thank you lefty for taking this risk to communicate. If it means anything, I'll be able to sleep tonight now.

I also wish you peace and a blessed Shabbat Shalom.

[madaboutharry]

30. You could send a message to the administrators

and explain what happened. Skinner is a responsible person.

[DirtEdonE]

35. Thanks, I already sent two messages nt

I tried every way I could think of to contact the Admins.

I'm waiting to hear back from them or hoping to see lefty's account back up.

[Mosby]

39. fyi leftynyc is a she.

[DirtEdonE]

40. Thanks Mosby

I tried to be non-gender specific but I know I put "he" in there more than once - just one more exhibit in the display of assumptions we make in a male dominated society.

I really hate what I've done here. I came here with a chip on my shoulder and I want to apologize to the entire DU community. If this all works out as I sincerely hope it does, I promise to do everything I can to do better.

If leftynyc is going to be bounced, I'm voluntarily out of here too.

I'm still waiting for a response from the Admins.

[Susan Calvin]

52. Hey, are you my age? (66)

I got marked off in English if I didn't use "he" when gender was not specified.

We have come a long way on some things.

[Cha]

31. This might be a better way to get in touch with an Admin..

who might be able to help leftynyc..

David Allen

Forum username: Skinner
Co-founder, Forum Administrator
[e-mail]

Good Luck!

[DirtEdonE]

36. Thanks Cha I just sent a message to Skinner via your address nt

[Cha]

46. Thank You, DirtEdonE.. I hope

it works!

[Rhiannon12866]

29. There are no moderators on DU.3, you need to take this up with the admins, Skinner and EarlG

Good luck!

Ask the Administrators
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=ata

[DirtEdonE]

37. Thanks Rhiannon, I sent a message via your link nt

[JudyM]

38. Your perspective is appreciated here, FWIW.

[DirtEdonE]

41. Thanks but I realize now I should have checked my perspective beforehand

This is the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning and the last thing I think about at night.

We're living in an unusual time, to say the least. Everyone I know is on edge, always ready to explode at the slightest provocation. I hope the admins take that into consideration.

This is what it's like to live in an America gone berserk.

[JudyM]

42. Well we need to be supportive instead of this constant tearing down.

It’s like the cultural personality here needs a re-injection of collaborative congeniality and heart.

[DirtEdonE]

43. Yes, and I hope the admins realize this might be a good place to start

It was all my fault. I'll gladly leave on my own or be banned as long as the wrong I've done is made right.

[Susan Calvin]

50. I want you to come back.

You are a model for how things should be responded to.

[Susan Calvin]

49. No one does right 100%.

Nor thinks ahead 100%.

I admire your response so much.

[LanternWaste]

57. You're one of the last people that should be PPRd, FFRd, TS'd or what-have-you.

You know your stuff... and that's rare. On DU, or anywhere else.

Keeping my fingers crossed you get back here. Soon.

[Susan Calvin]

23. But you provided a model apology.

Sorely needed in this world.

[Susan Calvin]

34. Nobody does the right thing in the first place 100% of the time.

[Raine]

22. It takes a special person to apologize..

[demmiblue]

44. The damage is done.

I have only seen admins reverse a FFR once.

It is a shame... 17 years here.

No further comment.

[DirtEdonE]

45. I'm so sorry.

[Susan Calvin]

48. I am so proud of you, if that does not sound patronizing.

I would like to think I would have done the same. I admire and wish to emulate you.

[Susan Calvin]

53. You did wrong and then you did right.

Not many people, unfortunately, go on to the second.

[Susan Calvin]

47. FFR equals tombstone?

Well, this one should make twice.

[salin]

54. I guess I don't read closely enough, but wow

I thought FFR = flagged for review - which suggests a review (leading to releasing from the status or banning - or so I assumed what review would mean.) Your observation would suggest the term for the status might be misleading.

Just a bit taken aback from your observation. Not doubting it, just taken aback. Though I would add that in earlier iterations/moderation models it wasn't so rare - so I wouldn't state it as 17 years. More back to the time of moving to DU3 and the current moderating model.

[grossproffit]

55. Yep. WTF!

I'm disgusted.

[DirtEdonE]

56. There is no need for anyone to be disgusted

leftynyc just replied to DU Mail I sent before I knew she was suspended. The DU moderation team has reinstated her posting privileges for which I would like to publicly thank them.

We have hope if we can stick together. I am sorry for being a divisive presence. I will do my best to do better if you will all give me another chance.

We have little choice. If we don't win together, we're ALL going to lose together.

Thanks for all the kind words and the criticism too. I don't deserve a community like this. I will try to do what I can to deserve to be a member from now on.

Best to you all.

Thank you once again, Skinner and the entire moderation team.

[grossproffit]

58. Thank you for posting this. You're a good person.

[DirtEdonE]

59. You're welcome

And thanks. I'll try to be one.

[Cha]

61. Wow! I'm so glad I read your

thread again.. this is wonderful news!

Mahalo, DirtEdonE

[GulfCoast66]

60. Don't know what was said, don't care.

But that was how an apology is done. Took ownership, made no excuses and promised to do better.