Aurora shooting

[question everything]

Martin was a veteran assemblyman at the century-old valve plant. Law enforcement sources told the ABC7 I-Team he was summoned to a meeting room where he was told he was being fired. He responded with a pistol, opening fire on the executives in the room, and then took his anger to the plant floor where dozens of his coworkers were still on the lines.

https://abc7chicago.com/aurora-shooting-victims-identified-in-shooting-at-henry-pratt-company;-gunman-also-dead/5141841/

It seems too common that fired employees start shooting and killing. It used to be that, at least with "white collar" terminations, the employee was escorted by security to his/her office to clear it and than out the door.

I think that security, armed, sadly, has to be present these days when an employee is fired.

Oh, and, perhaps, metal detectors at entrances. No guns policy.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. Right. Every single building in this country needs to be a fortress,

with metal detectors and armed guards at every entrance. Every office, every post office, every church, every school, every yarn shop. So it might be a tad inconvenient for people, but anything is better than taking the guns away, right?

Bet that would put all these shootings to a screeching halt.

[uppityperson]

2. +++++

[question everything]

4. Not every entrance. Only the main one

And at least post a note that guns are prohibited. I know when Minnesota allowed individuals to carry gun, yes, all the libraries, and churches posted signs prohibited guns on the premises.

And I think that someplace, Texas, maybe? it was ruled that such prohibitions were illegals..

Would you say this if a loved one were a victim of such events?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

6. Well, that would just let someone in a side door carrying a gun.

And I believe there's more than one place that can't prohibit guns, although I'm not entirely certain and don't care to be bothered to try to research it.

But anyone who supports the current gun laws is not entitled to be shocked or even more than mildly surprised every time a new shooting occurs. Nor be surprised when a toddler finds a gun in Mom's purse and manages to shoot her. Or when a 7 year old finds an unsecured gun in a nightstand and shoots his younger sister. And so on.

It's so peculiar that these things don't occur in other countries. I can't begin to imagine what they are doing different.

[CatMor]

3. So far nothing has been said on why he was being fired ..

did he know in advance about being fired because he had his gun with him and immediately started shooting when he was told.

[question everything]

5. There was a shooting at a workplace in Minneaplis some years ago

when the fired individuals went to his car and returned with a gun and killed four or five people, including the owner.

[CatMor]

7. How awful ...

to be at work just doing your job and end up dead.

[KG]

8. yay. gunz.

[pintobean]

9. A felon illegally in possession of a firearm

in a gun free zone.

Aurora Police Chief Kristin Ziman said Saturday that the gunman bought the Smith and Wesson .40-caliber handgun he used in Friday's attack back in 2014, weeks after he was issued a Firearm Owner's Identification Card (FOID Card).

Days after he got the weapon, he applied for a concealed carry permit. "During the finger printing and background process, it was discovered that he had a felony conviction for aggravated assault out of Mississippi," Ziman said.

"It should be noted that this conviction would not necessarily have shown up on a criminal background check conducted for a FOID card," she said. "Once this felony conviction was discovered, the offender's conceal and carry permit was rejected and his FOID Card was revoked by the Illinois state police."

Speaking later at the same press conference, Ziman said, "Absolutely, he was not supposed to be in possession of a firearm."

Aurora Police Chief Kristen Ziman said at a press conference Saturday that the gunman in the shooting, Gary Martin, had six prior arrests by the Aurora Police Department.

He had faced charges including domestic battery-related counts.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/active-shooter-aurora-illinois-shooting-manufacturing-company-today-2019-02-15-live-updates/

Seems he should have had to turn over his firearm in 2014.

[wellst0nev0ter]

10. Aurora, Illinois or Aurora, Colorado?

So many shootings the names are starting to blur together.

[jmowreader]

11. Illinois

Does it matter though? The people killed in this incident are just as dead as the ones who died in Aurora, CO.

[UniteFightBack]

12. Ah remember the good old days when there were just post office and workplace mass shootings. ?

[myohmy2]

13. sad...

...I heard this is the 39th mass-shooting so far this year in the U.S.

...very sad...

...we need a wall...a big, beautiful, concrete wall between us and the NRA...when are we going to get serious and pass sensible guns laws in this country?

...the shooter had a felony record and wasn't supposed to have access to firearms...he was supposed to turn his weapons in...he no longer had a valid Illinois FOID card...

...someone dropped the ball...someone needs to take current gun laws more seriously...if someone did, would it have made a difference?

...with hundreds of millions of guns out there, who knows...I'm a gun owner willing to tolerate greater gun regulation in order to reduce this senseless gun violence and slaughter...so far, thousands of innocent women, children and old people being slaughtered doesn't seem to phase the public or our elected official into meaningful action...

...gun violence and the slaughter of the innocent has become accepted as a normal weekly occurrence...very, very, sad

...face it, too many Americans love their firearms more than human life...and that's the saddest part of all...how many more must die?

...too many...