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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:40 PM Feb 2019

Alabama mother begs to return to US, says moving to Syria

and marrying ISIS fighter was a big mistake

With U.S.-backed forces closing in on ISIS in Syria, young mother Hoda Muthana is pleading for a second chance and the opportunity to return home to her family in Alabama.

"I realized I've made a big mistake and I know I've ruined my future and my son's future and I deeply, deeply regret it," she said in an interview with The Guardian newspaper.

Muthana is one of 1,500 foreign women and children living in a Kurdish-run refugee camp in northern Syria.

Muthana's family lawyer, Hassan Shibly, told ABC News the young mother was "brainwashed" by ISIS and now feels "tremendous remorse."

"This is a young, vulnerable woman who was brainwashed and manipulated by monsters who took advantage of her," Shibly said in an interview that airs on "Good Morning America" on Tuesday morning. "Hooda is absolutely disgusted by the person she became while under the spell."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/alabama-mother-begs-return-us-says-moving-syria-142800634--abc-news-topstories.html


I'm really torn on this one.

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Alabama mother begs to return to US, says moving to Syria (Original Post) leftynyc Feb 2019 OP
I'm not sure I understand her current status or whereabouts from the story. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #1
Sorry for her son. No need to use an asylum spot for her MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #2
If it helps your torn feelings gratuitous Feb 2019 #3
Well, the biggest thing leftynyc Feb 2019 #5
She was 19 when she left. She participated in ISIS bullshit including wishing death to Americans Arazi Feb 2019 #7
Hoda is 24 now and left for syria 4 years ago... IcyPeas Feb 2019 #8
I'm not torn. As a citizen she should be allowed to return Hortensis Feb 2019 #4
I agree PupCamo Feb 2019 #6
She still has the Constitutional right to a fair trial lunatica Feb 2019 #10
How is her son an American citizen? Wasn't he born "there"? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #28
Child of American citizen is citizen. As citizens, both have full rights, Hortensis Feb 2019 #31
What would the charges be? leftynyc Feb 2019 #13
Um, Yes sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #14
Agree leftynyc Feb 2019 #21
I honestly don't understand the sympathy... sweetloukillbot Feb 2019 #22
:) Young, very pretty, white? Plus PROFESSIONAL PR/fixer firm Hortensis Feb 2019 #32
Jeez this again Jake Stern Feb 2019 #9
The quality of mercy is not strained... maxsolomon Feb 2019 #11
I notice she is blaming everyone else for her problems ripcord Feb 2019 #12
Let her stay her ass over there... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #15
I hope she's not expecting to be rescued TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #16
thinking that onethatcares Feb 2019 #17
"My mighty Islamist Caliphate Codeine Feb 2019 #18
Fuck her eissa Feb 2019 #19
EXACTLY Raine Feb 2019 #20
My in-laws are Syrian Christians eissa Feb 2019 #23
As far as I am concerned she renounced her US citizenship exboyfil Feb 2019 #24
Maybe i'm a bleeding heart...but... Rustyeye77 Feb 2019 #25
I understand your bleeding heart leftynyc Feb 2019 #27
Well, our bleeding hearts will stop Rustyeye77 Feb 2019 #29
Oy vey leftynyc Feb 2019 #30
no thanks ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #26
Judging by many responses here lunatica Feb 2019 #33
OUCH !!! Rustyeye77 Feb 2019 #34
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
1. I'm not sure I understand her current status or whereabouts from the story.
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:46 PM
Feb 2019

Is she being held by Kurdish authorities at the current moment? Did she surrender herself with charges pending over her?

Either way, I wish I could wish her to American soil immediately. Sort out the rest after we get her back home. Fill the plane with other asylum seekers while we're at it.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
2. Sorry for her son. No need to use an asylum spot for her
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:51 PM
Feb 2019

Give it to someone who was never seduced by killing ... one of the families fleeing violence in Central America. They never liked blood and never sanctioned it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. If it helps your torn feelings
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:51 PM
Feb 2019

This girl was 15 years old when she ran off to join ISIS. I'll warrant that it's a bit more serious than "stole Dad's car keys and went joyriding, ending up in a ditch or the neighbor's pool," but her expression of contrition sounds sincere. Let's get her back in the country, and figure out what should be done with her that isn't going to likewise punish her son.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. Well, the biggest thing
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:55 PM
Feb 2019

I could get "seduced" into doing at 15 was trying cocaine. Certainly not leaving home and joining up with a group already well known to behave like savages.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
7. She was 19 when she left. She participated in ISIS bullshit including wishing death to Americans
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:07 PM
Feb 2019

Let her come home and face justice including many years in prison as a terrorist.

She only wants to come home now because the "caliphate" is smashed and she's in a wretched internment camp. I have no confidence that she's changed after 4 years and willingly entering into 3 marriages with other terrorists. At 19 years old she knew that ISIS was torturing people, beheading innocent captives, other atrocities like burning a pilot alive in a cage, brainwashing MUCH younger women etc.

Fuck her

IcyPeas

(21,871 posts)
8. Hoda is 24 now and left for syria 4 years ago...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:15 PM
Feb 2019

she was 19 when she left. There are 2 isis brides in the news currently because they met up at the Syrian refugee camp where they are both staying.

there is another isis bride who you might be referring to who is 19. She just gave birth 2 days ago. she is british/bangladeshi:

Shamima Begum, who left her home in Bethnal Green, east London, at the age of 15, is in a refugee camp in Syria, where she gave birth to a boy at the weekend.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/19/isis-briton-shamima-begum-to-have-uk-citizenship-revoked


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. I'm not torn. As a citizen she should be allowed to return
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:53 PM
Feb 2019

and jailed and/or bailed while her connection to the many atrocities and other crimes is carefully investigated to see if prosecution is in order. Just what was so disgusting about her while "under the spell"?

Her child will meanwhile be taken by those whose duty is to protect children from harm, and they hopefully will find her family suitable to care for him. Should any prosecutable crimes be turned up, then her pretty face and "I vuss just clueless" story could come into play in sentencing.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. She still has the Constitutional right to a fair trial
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:18 PM
Feb 2019

I agree with you.

And her son is an American Citizen.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Child of American citizen is citizen. As citizens, both have full rights,
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:28 PM
Feb 2019

including as Lunatica says to a fair trial should she be prosecuted. Our criminal legal codes apply to citizens both here and abroad, of course.

sweetloukillbot

(11,023 posts)
14. Um, Yes
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:12 PM
Feb 2019

I would say marrying a fucking terrorist that we are fighting would count as providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. Agree
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 07:59 PM
Feb 2019

My point is I likely wouldn't come back if facing the rest of my life in prison. And I'm much older than she.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. :) Young, very pretty, white? Plus PROFESSIONAL PR/fixer firm
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:31 PM
Feb 2019

doing its best to use state and national media to drum up sympathy in an attempt to pressure the legal system? Lucky for them, their client isn't plain, middle aged, and brown or black. Lucky for her, someone on her side's come up with the money for it.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
9. Jeez this again
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:17 PM
Feb 2019

She was an ADULT

She traveled TO the ME meet up with ISIS, they didn't come here to get her.

Bring her back, terminate her parental rights and place her child with a loving family that can raise it without the taint of extremist Islamic terrorism, and put her on trial. If she's convicted toss her ass in ADX for the rest of her life.

Heartless? Damn right it is. I have ZERO fucks to give her as I have reserved those for the innocent victims of ISIS, that organization that she so willfully joined.

While folks are shedding tears for this terrorist take a moment to shed some for the gays that her crew tossed off buildings or the Jordanian pilot they horrifically burned to death or the people they brutally executed and filmed for the world to see.



maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. The quality of mercy is not strained...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
‘T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice.
-Shakespeare

Let her return; let her atone.

ripcord

(5,399 posts)
12. I notice she is blaming everyone else for her problems
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:37 PM
Feb 2019

ISIS brainwashed her so isn't responsible, her parents were too strict so she wasn't responsible, I would feel better if she admitted that she was responsible.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. Let her stay her ass over there...
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:22 PM
Feb 2019

There's a similar case in England too: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-baby-birth-runaway-isis-bride-return-uk-a8783221.html

Funny how many of these "brainwashed" women who ran off to marry ISIS soldiers and bear their hellspawn are instantly "cured" now that they've got a rugrat to feed in some raggedy assed tent and discover all of a sudden the schools and hospitals and childcare and social services they left behind are GOOD things and now they LOVE the West... Sorry, she doesn't get to jump sides from Jihadist to All-American suburban mom whenever it suits her...

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
16. I hope she's not expecting to be rescued
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:24 PM
Feb 2019

She went over there on her own. She can come back and face the consequences of her decision on her own.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
17. thinking that
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:41 PM
Feb 2019

she was old enough to know what she was doing. Abetting the enemy, although that's probably not what she was thinking, in my mind is treason.

With all her flaws, America is a pretty good place to live, much better than a mud shack in a Muslim country.

Let her come back and face the consequences of her actions.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. "My mighty Islamist Caliphate
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:54 PM
Feb 2019

got the shit knocked out of it and now I can’t be part of a marauding band of psycho-religious murderers hell-bent on destroying everything we see, so can I come back now and watch Game of Thrones and eat pizza?”

Fuck you. Your kid should be rescued. You can rot.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
19. Fuck her
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Feb 2019

I have ZERO sympathy for her. Good luck being some asshole's maid and slave for the rest of your miserable life. Her son is better off without her.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
23. My in-laws are Syrian Christians
Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:18 PM
Feb 2019

Their lives have been turned upside down because of those genocidal maniacs. They have lost friends and neighbors, have fled their homes and are living as refugees in Lebanon, Turkey and Europe. They’re miserable, they miss home and want this whole nightmare to end so they can return.

So yeah, this piece of shit can go scratch.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
24. As far as I am concerned she renounced her US citizenship
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:30 AM
Feb 2019

Look up the Wikipedia pages for Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose. I have far more sympathy for Tokyo Rose who was a young woman in Tokyo when the war broke out. Her parents were placed in a US detention center.

A better analogy would be the two Axis Sallies. One spent 10 years in prison for treason, the other had renounced her citizenship and was tried by the Italians.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
25. Maybe i'm a bleeding heart...but...
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 11:56 AM
Feb 2019

maybe she will see we are a lot better than the caliphate .

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leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. I understand your bleeding heart
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:31 PM
Feb 2019

but at 19 years old, she was old enough to realize what she was getting into. That it didn't work out well for her is hardly the problem of anyone here who isn't a traitor. I think she's be insane to come back to a lifetime in prison.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
29. Well, our bleeding hearts will stop
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:19 PM
Feb 2019

ISIS bride Hoda Muthana once urged jihadis to ‘take down’ Obama

The American “ISIS bride” who is now begging to be allowed back into the US once urged jihadis to “take down” President Barack Obama — calling him a “treacherous tyrant.”


“You can look up Obamas schedule on the white house website. Take down that treacherous tyrant!” Hoda Muthana tweeted from her now-suspended Twitter account @ZumarulJannah in March 2015, according to a screengrab on Heavy.com.The tweet came the same day she exhorted supporters in America to “go on drivebys” and “rent a big truck and drive all over them” at “Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades.”

Muthana posted the online screed after her first husband, Australian ISIS fighter Suhan Rahman, was killed in Syria.

She also tweeted out a photo of his bloodied body, writing, “I’m the most content I have ever been in my life,” and adding, “And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead,” according to the Daily Mail.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/19/isis-bride-hoda-muthana-once-urged-jihadis-to-take-down-obama/

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
30. Oy vey
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 01:42 PM
Feb 2019

Now I don't give a crap what happens to her. Is there any way we can get the child and make sure he/she lives in a somewhat normal home? Let's hope genetics don't tell the whole story.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
33. Judging by many responses here
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 02:57 PM
Feb 2019

I say it’s a damn good thing justice in this country isn’t meted out based on opinion polls.

Do people really think she’s going to get away with what she did? Do they think the Syrian government is just going to hand her child over to the US and keep her? The child may be American but he’s also a Syrian Citizen.

We have a Constitution and unless she officially gave up her US citizenship she still has the right to a trial in our justice system.

Reading some of the comments here I can’t tell the difference between some people here and the MAGAts.

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