"Former Sanders campaign manager: Don't expect email list to be shared with DNC"

[pnwmom]

That was from an article a year ago, when we were facing the November House and Senate elections. They were refusing to help.

But now, to run as a Democrat, in addition to disclosing 5-10 years of tax returns, everyone who wants to run for President as a Democrat should be required to share their email/contact lists with the DNC, to help elect Democrats to the House and Senate.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369158-former-sanders-campaign-chairman-dont-expect-email-list-to-be-shared-with

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is unlikely to get the email list from Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) 2016 presidential campaign, according to Sanders's former campaign manager.

“I don’t think you should expect that to happen. If people think the Sanders list is just an ATM, they’re sadly mistaken,” Jeff Weaver told Politico.

“It’s a list of millions of people who are motivated by a certain policy agenda. If they think it can be easily transferred, I think it’s a fantasy.”

The news outlet reported that DNC Chairman Tom Perez has requested the list and other material as he seeks to rebuild the committee after Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss to President Trump.

[msongs]

1. some people are team players, some people are not. takes all kinds nt

[Bleacher Creature]

14. Bernie is a team player.

The problem is that he's on a team of one, his own.

[Fresh_Start]

57. +1 nt

nt

[MontanaMama]

2. Sanders is running as a Democrat, why?

[Hekate]

4. Because he wants access to OUR mailing list.

He can go pound sand.

[MontanaMama]

10. +1

Yes he can!

[George II]

17. If it's not given to him, maybe he'll get it anyway?

[sprinkleeninow]

28. Sand pounding. Tha's an ole favorite. 😆

💙🇺🇸🗽

[LuvLoogie]

3. The Bernie Sanders Party should hold a Bernie Sanders Party primary...

[Cha]

5. HAHA.. But, we Still Got The

BLUE WAVE!!!!



Democrats From All Over the Country WON!! With Nancy Pelosi at the Helm! No thanks to them. BS is too divisive.

Thanks for the OP, pnwmom!

[LisaM]

6. I can't even.

What's the matter with his supporters? Why are they this way? Especially after his team took Hillary's list when the DNC was hacked in December 2015 and then whined about being suspended for it.

[BannonsLiver]

7. Get ready for round 2

In their eyes Bernie is perfect. Therefore he cannot lose. If Bernie loses its because other nefarious forces are afoot, not because of any of Bernie’s shortcomings because Bernie has no shortcomings.

[Cha]

9. lol

[cstanleytech]

32. So are you saying they have alot in common with the rabid Trump supporters who believe the MAGA

bullshit?

[Squinch]

8. They're just another version of the same old thing: entitled white guys.

[emulatorloo]

12. Weaver sued the DNC for his own staff's misbehavior

Bernie 2016 supporter, Weaver is the worst!

[George II]

19. FYI, a day or two after that "breach" I, as a Democrat, began getting emails....

....from him and his surrogates pleading for donations.

I only gave my email address to Clinton's campaign, never his campaign. How did he get it?

[LisaM]

23. Yeah, that was curious.

It also introduced most of us to Tulsi Gabbard. Yay.

[sprinkleeninow]

29. I even can't even either. 😡

[emulatorloo]

11. That hot-headed ideologue (Weaver) is a big reason Bernie didn't win in 2016

All he did was throw red meat at Bernie supporters, he never tried to expand Bernie’s coalition beyond the core supporters

[Cha]

38. Weaver is still going to be a "senior advisor"

in round 2.

[KitSileya]

51. What about Tad Devine? Is he still in the campaign?

Or is he too busy dodging Müller?

[Cha]

52. I don't know what ol Tad is up to

these days.. Could he still be assisting Mueller on Manafort?

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Some people care more about themselves than democracy, the country, or our planet.

The kind of people who flip and flop in and out of our party faster than an IHOP grillmaster. The kind of people who hide their tax returns and have egos big enough to lay all else to waste, as they have shown.

[George II]

16. "Don't expect email list to be shared with DNC" - so says our newest Democrat.

[bhikkhu]

18. Not going to get too worked up about something that might or might not happen

And I'd add that, very beneficially for the Democratic Party, the "certain policy agenda" that Sander's represents is also well represented by the majority of the Democratic field. Maybe there will be problems and infighting but I'm hopeful that there will be no reason for it. We have a great cast of candidates, I've listened to several and it's nothing but encouraging.

[pnwmom]

22. It already happened. They refused to share a list that could have helped the D's win more races

in November - that could have even helped us win the Senate, but we'll never know.

[highplainsdem]

20. Jeff Weaver is disgusting.

[George II]

24. Not to mention Tad Devine, XXXXXX's business partner.

[CentralMass]

21. I can't imagine why.

[George II]

25. Nor can I.

[CentralMass]

27. Yes. Many would say they had a profound impact on his campaign. That was so nice of them.

[Cha]

34. The Democratic Party WON the BLUE WAVE

without their "list". Haha.

[lancelyons]

26. This behavior by sanders is divisive and doesn't help defeat trump.

[CentralMass]

30. The venemous attacks on Sanders is what is devisive. Sanders announced and by mid day 120,00 of his

supporters had donated.money. over $4 million in the first 12 hours.

Why would you Sanders haters want the mailing list of those of us who support him ?

[Hekate]

31. Really? Venomous? Your word, not mine.

[R B Garr]

35. So the DNC is supposed to help Bernie, but he gives

nothing back? Have the FEC contribution flags been cleared from 2016? I remember the accusations of a rigged system, but in reality it looks like Bernie is the strategic one.

[CentralMass]

41. First if all, it was a former campaign official that made the comment. I have no idea what Bernie

Sanders thinks about this issue.

Personally, I am a lifelong dem but i think that the DNC has been a very biased organization. I felt so in 2008 and in 2016. I greatly dislike the superdelegate system. I unsubscribed from their mailing in 2017. I wouldn't give them a mailing list.

[SergeStorms]

42. They're not biased against Democrats.

Just Independents who want all that the Democratic party has to offer, but who want to give nothing in return. I suggest Mr. Sanders run in the "Independent party primary" for president. I wish him all the luck in the world. You KNOW Mr. Sanders will run as an Independent if he (for some unknown reason) doesn't win the Democratic party primary for president, thus assuring four more years of Trump or Pence. He's just that kind of guy. And to think I once supported this guy.

[PatrickforO]

47. Based on past performance, I would suggest Bernie would not.

If he runs as a Democrat and loses, he will, like he did in 2016, ask his supporters to support the Democratic nominee and will work himself to support that nominee in the general election.

Seems to me that we have to judge the likelihood of this happening by past behavior, and past behavior was not what you suggest.

As to your statement that Bernie 'is just that kind of guy,' with all due respect to you, I'm not seeing that kind of behavior from him. '16 was a bloody, ugly primary, and we were clearly on opposite sides. But I assure you I supported and voted for Clinton in the general election. I didn't need Bernie to tell me to do it, either.

Thing is, Bernie's platform was GOOD. It would genuinely have made life a whole lot better for most Americans. I'm on the Democratic platform committee in my county, and I very much appreciated how the Bernie campaign made its deal to help shape the Democratic Party Platform in 2016.

Warren is another one who is extremely solid on policy. You can look on other posts I've made about her August 2018 'Accountable Capitalism Act.' Of course, it won't be touched while Republicans are in any kind of power, but this act would solve many, many problems because it gets at the root cause of wealth inequity, the shock doctrine, busted unions, stagnant wages and continued high carbon emissions/human-caused global warming. It does this by overturning the primacy of the shareholder doctrine and expanding fiduciary responsibility of CEOs in publicly held companies to include the welfare of workers, consumers and the environment. It also allows workers representation on Boards of Directors. As I say, this would solve so many problems it isn't even funny. Warren is great.

This time, we have a really strong bench of candidates. It isn't just Bernie and Hillary as the only really strong candidates. There are a bunch - I like Harris, though she's a bit weak on monetary and fiscal policy. I like Cory Booker, though his opponents will try and paint him with the Wall Street brush. I like Sherrod Brown, though I haven't done any in-depth research on him yet. And, I like Klobuchar though she's a bit to my right.

I won't be supporting Gillibrand because she led the charge against Al Franken, and I won't be supporting Biden because of his support of the 2005 bankruptcy laws, which essentially made my children and grandchildren (and yours) debt slaves if they had to take out loans for college. Can't get out of those, no matter what, and in the meantime Republicans have made all sorts of predatory lending possible, and those in delinquency tend to be minorities in poor areas who were tricked into taking out massive loans to attend expensive for-profit schools, and then who cannot get a job after, or remain underemployed after. The other issue on student debt is that the income-based payout allows the principle to actually GROW while the kids pay and pay and pay and pay. These earnings-based repayment plans are the ultimate in predatory capitalism. Exploiting our children for a few dollars profit.

Anyway, best wishes to you.

[R B Garr]

44. Nothing has happened with the superdelegate system,

so that’s just a sign of his strategy. There was a lot of strategy involved in demonizing the DNC, including lawsuits. It sure looks strategic in not sharing his mailing list, not contributing to our party, but expecting loyalty. Not going to work this time.

[CentralMass]

50. My distrust of the DNC and who is running are not linked.

Superdelegates are an undemocratic mechanism. 712 superdelegates comprise one third of the 2,383 delegates required to win the nomination. They are by design there to usurp the will of the democratic electorate.

[MrGrieves]

55. When is the last time supers came into play?

[Cha]

36. No, BS is the one who is "Divisive" by his own words.

he brings it on himself.

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

[Honeycombe8]

39. If he wants the benefits of the Dem. Party, but doesn't honor the duties toward it...

do you think that's right? Sort of like a family stranded in a cabin somewhere, and one of the family members is hiding his own stash of food, while the others all share theirs, including w/the hoarder. The hoarder takes the food given to him, but continues to hide his own stash. They don't need the food he's hoarding....yet. Is that hoarder really one of the family? Is he equal to the other members, who all honor the group and recognize the benefits they receive from it?

[maxrandb]

54. It's almost as if Bernie supports "Right to Work" legislation

all the benefits of the organizing, but none of the sharing it's cost.

Who knew BS was anti union?

[SergeStorms]

59. +1000

[Tiggeroshii]

33. i really hope jeff weaver has no place in this next run

he was the prumary downfall of the bernie campaign

[Cha]

37. Weaver is still going to be "senior advisor"..

so he got shuffled.

[Tiggeroshii]

40. eww

[PatrickforO]

43. You all know I was a big Bernie supporter in 2016.

I've got to say that someone got my email - maybe the Bernie campaign didn't release it, and maybe I opted into a bunch of stuff by signing online petitions, but I get at least 10 emails a day - at least - from various Democrats, as well as at least 3 or 4 phone calls a week from Democratic organizations asking me for money. Now, they've gotten even more obnoxious with funny icons in the message bar. I usually delete those right away.

Honestly, if I'm going to donate to anyone I will myself research how, contact them, and make the donation. On principle I very, very seldom give money to someone calling or to an email solicitation. Although, from time to time I have, and that keeps me on the lists.

Then, somehow, these people got my wife's name and we get all kinds of calls from people asking her for money, but she doesn't take calls. So I have to field them. And I say no, but have been accused of speaking for her and not allowing her to speak for herself. But she's right in the room and shakes her head when I ask if she wants the call.

Sigh.

But, I'm naive, so I do have a question for all of you: Will the other Dem candidates share their email lists? Because there's a bunch, and I'm not thinking they will unless/until they step down from the race - then hopefully they would turn their lists over to a candidate that is still in the running. I mean, is this how it works?

[pnwmom]

46. Hillary donated her email list to the party in 2016 but Bernie refused to.

They had both rented the party's list, and also developed their own lists on the side. No one expected Bernie to share his list till the general election, but he didn't. And he didn't share it for 2018, either.

[PatrickforO]

48. He should have. I wouldn't mind at all.

Because, you know, I am capable of saying either yes or no when contacted.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

45. Got an email from Bernie today.....

announcing his candidacy. I promptly removed my email address from their list. Don't recall ever requesting I be added to his list.

Why did I ask to be removed? It's because our email is already saturated with other campaign emails (including local and state) and I'll likely stop those as well. Most are disguised as statements but in the end, are just requests for contributions.

What's wrong with requests for contributions, you might ask? What's wrong is that some are sending far too many emails, which is uncalled for and annoying. That's why I removed my email from another senator's list because they we sending out two and three emails a day.

What I intend to do instead is create a new browser folder and place the official web site of all our candidates in it so that as time allows, I can study their policy statements and also make contributions to any or all as I can - either directly or through ActBlue.

After I zero in on my favorite candidates, I'll darn sure get on their mailing list.

Email anger rant done....... .........

[Hamlette]

49. and you wonder why some of us hate him n/t

[Fullduplexxx]

53. Nice... bernie can crap on the dem party and if we bitch about him we get censored

[Cha]

56. KICK!

[Adrahil]

58. Of course not!

Bernie is all about Bernie. He will use and use and use. And insult us while doing it. But he will offer us nothing. We are here to serve HIM.

[Gothmog]

60. Is this consistent with the DNC rules and oath that sanders has to sign?

This is the actual rule that governs whether sanders can run as a member of the Democratic party https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf

The term “presidential candidate” herein shall mean any person who, as determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, has accrued delegates in the nominating process and plans to seek the nomination, has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishment, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrates that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith. At the time a presidential candidate announces their candidacy publicly, they must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat. Each candidate pursuing the Democratic nomination shall affirm, in writing, to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee that they:

A. are a member of the Democratic Party;

B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and

C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.

This requirement of written affirmation shall not supplant any necessary qualifications a candidate must satisfy at the state level, but is in addition to such affirmations required by individual states and territories. The written affirmation shall be done via an approved format by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee appended to this Call

There is an oath that sanders and other candidates will have to take
https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf

Presidential Candidate Written Affirmation

Pursuant to Article IV of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention, I hereby affirm that, upon publicly announcing my candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election, I am a member of the Democratic Party. I will run as a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected. I understand that signing this form does not supplant any legal or Party requirement by any state or territory to qualify for ballot placement in that jurisdiction.

Further, I acknowledge that in submitting this form to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, I am subject to the provisions of Rule 13.K of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2020 Democratic National Convention and Article VI of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention that authorize the National Chairperson to determine whether a presidential candidate has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishments, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrate that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
___________________

NOTARY AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF ______________
COUNTY OF _______________
I, ____________________________________, a Notary Public, do hereby certify that on this ____day of ___________________, 20____, personally appeared before me ______________________________, known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument, and swore and acknowledged to me that they executed the same for the purpose and in the capacity therein expressed, and that the statements contained therein are true and correct. _______________________________________________ Notary Public, State of __________________ Name, Typed or Printed: __________________________________________ My Commission Expires: ___________________________