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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*** Official "I will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is" thread ***
It is time for solidarity, not infighting.
Personally I don't really care very much who gets the Democratic nomination. They ALL are a gazillion times better than what we have. In fact my biggest concern is how they would stack up against Trump.
So,
whether the nominee is Corey Booker, or Kamala Harris, or Elizabeth Warren, or Amy Klobuchar, or Kirsten Gillibrand, or Julian Castro, or Jerry Brown, or Eric Holder, or Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Mickey Mouse, I will march down to the polling station and gladly cast my ballot for that person. and I will encourage others to do so.
And yes, if Bernie Sanders is nominated at the Democratic candidate, I will gladly do the same.
Civil discussion about why you prefer one over the other is good. Finger pointing, blaming, and demonizing ANY of these potential candidates does NOT help the cause or our ultimate goal.
"Rec" if you agree.
Quemado
(1,262 posts)I like her position on the Green New Deal (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/15/kamala_harris_on_green_new_deal_the_principles_behind_it_are_sound_and_important.html).
I like it that she no longer accepts donations from corporate PACs (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/384408-kamala-harris-will-no-longer-accept-corporate-pac-money).
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)YAY!
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Of course I will vote for the eventual nominee, whomever that ends up being. And my preference for Kamala May change as different candidates come and go. But right now she seems amazing.
Siwsan
(26,260 posts)I have my "GREAT!!" list and my "Well, maybe it won't come to this" list, which is VERY small. And I still have my "Wish" list.
From this point, on, I'm ignoring posts that are obviously meant to trash one candidate or another, but if a post is meant to make points as to why I should consider a candidate, I'm going to pay attention.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)I'm going to divide 'em up the way you have. Thanks!
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Which is why I do not support Bernie. He is not a member of the Democratic Party. We have some very fine progressive Dem candidates that are running. I don't have a favorite yet, but it sure isn't Bernie.
Lucid Dreamer
(584 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)I read where Bernie is an official Democrat, win or lose, he is staying Democrat.
If I am wrong I have no problem in being corrected.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)Bernie is running against trump I will vote for him, not trump or stay home.
calimary
(81,223 posts)Even if the nominee is not my first choice. Whats the alternative - voting for The Asset? Or staying home? Or writing in Jill Fucking Stein? Or Howard The Spoiler Schultz?
Nope. NO WAY.
I will vote for the Democratic nominee.
There. I put it in writing.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)jamesatemple
(342 posts)On a thread that encourages folks to consider each candidate based upon merit and policies, here's a reply that doesn't promote anyone. It merely reflects a personal reason for not voting for someone. Whatever the validity of that bias, whatever the reason or reasons for not voting for someone, such a statement negates the purpose of the thread. I can't speak for others but I'm not one bit interested in why you wouldn't/won't support or vote for Bernie but I would be interested to know whom you do favor and for what reasons.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)DU supports Democrats. Why is that a problem for you?
forgotmylogin
(7,528 posts)Just because your favorite isn't nominated, that doesn't mean they can't still serve the country admirably in the administration of an eventual Democratic president.
My wish is that at every debate the candidates all express support for each other and have meaningful positive conversations about issues they wish to focus on and goals they hope to achieve.
I don't want to watch the trash-talking McDonald kicked up in the Repub debates.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)PWPippinesq
(195 posts)We have such a deep bench. Poor republicans are stuck in the rut of their own making. I'm happy to see so many well qualified candidates. I believe the debates and discussions leading up to the primaries will be valuable and informative as long as we don't become divisive and self defeating.
marble falls
(57,080 posts)TommyCelt
(838 posts)To the Yellow Dogs!
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)But DU has never been a good habitat for PUMA's or BoB's or any other brand of General Election rejectionists. We are as a whole pretty clear about that bottom line.
PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)Some of the people on there are classic 4chan.
Coventina
(27,115 posts)That would be really tough.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Rather than the negatives.
Hopefully our discourse will lead to a consensus.
In the end, if my preferred candidate is not the consensus choice, I will support the nominee of our party.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Fight like the devil among ourselves, then stick together against all enemies.
This is why I am a Democrat.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)AllyCat
(16,183 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)I will vote for them, and also donate and campaign for them. The fate of our Democracy is at stake.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I will vote for any Dem. I'll contribute to whoever gets the nomination.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)is "Dem".
Cha
(297,186 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)...by that I mean officially secures the nomination to run for President at the official 2020 Democratic Convention, are you saying you would not vote for that person on the Democratic line against Trump?
Because that is the bottom line question.
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)Will help re elect trump.
louis c
(8,652 posts)...and donate money. I will not donate to any Democrat in the primary, but I will donate to the nominee once he or she is chosen.
Borchkins
(724 posts)Even for the two I'll have to hold my nose in order to cast my vote. Getting rid of Trump is job #1.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)out this Rolling Stone article, which "ranks" them, apparently by perceived strength. SPOILER ALERT - here's your top ten:
1. K. Harris
2. B. Sanders
3. S. Brown
4 J. Biden
5. B. O'Rourke
6. E. Warren
7. C. Booker
8. K. Gillibrand
9. A. Klobuchar
10. J. Castro
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Biden/Harris is the Dem power ticket!!
samnsara
(17,622 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)However I will vote for whoever becomes the nominee. Up until though, I have an opinion on which candidates will do better in the general.
Delarage
(2,186 posts)We'd have an experienced, genuine man with a good tie to Obama and an up-and-comer who takes no crap.
I like Booker, too, though. In fact, most of the candidates have some good ideas. They could all have a role in my dream administration.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Heard a national poll on MSNBC stating more of the general public support Biden.
I love both of these candidates' spunk.
Is my memory failing or do I correctly recall Pres. Obama holding Joe back a few times when he was voicing strong opinions?? Joe, if I recall, often took a harsher tone with the rethugs than did his good friend.
I like Warren a LOT but she doesn't seem to have the gravitas that Harris does.
nightwing1240
(1,996 posts)Biden/Harris is a solid ticket, I also like Biden/Brown. But, no matter who the Dem nominee is, they'll have my full support in the 2020 Presidential election! We cannot withstand another four years of tRump
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Experience , qualified in Law.
I can also see Biden/ Brown.
East Coast/ Midwest.
But have no preference yet.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Makes me wonder....
Bernie is someone I would exclude from this list, and they include several others who may never declare their candidacy. For what it's worth, I like what they say about Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker.
irresistable
(989 posts)AZ8theist
(5,459 posts)WHERE"S TULSI????
Funny as all get out she didn't make your list!!
(FYI: She's not on mine , either)
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)They play into the foreign attacks on our system to divide us. Though he may not be your candidate, he is not the enemy. We know who that is!
I was a Bernie supporter who voted for Hillary in the General. Probably will be a Beto supporter but still not sure. It probably will not be Bernie this time.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)...they?
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I was making a comment in general about any post where Bernie is the subject. I just urge we save our powder for the Republicans and do not let them divide us.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Can you see the ridiculousness of that? If not, you might have a blind spot.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I believe we should not attack anyone running as a Democrat at this point. Disagreeing with a position on an issue aside, we should let the Primary develop and support the one we like best without tearing down the others. Bernie is a very polarizing figure on this site, way more than I believe is deserved, but with the Republicans and what they have done, we need a solid front and not let them divide us.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Why bring up BS at all and complain that people are attacking him in this thread that you do not think was an attack on BS?
If you want us not to be divided, don't do things like that.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I chose to post my feelings in hopes some would tone it down and not attack others running in that Primary.
Why attack me for saying what I did? Do you have an axe to grind against Bernie and therefore chose to attack me?
Squinch
(50,949 posts)That is divisiveness for its own sake. If you don't want people to be divisive, stop being divisive.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)And IF Bernie were to win the Democratic nomination this time I'd be fine with that. He's not my first choice for 2020 but he's sure the shit better than the current occupier of the White House. We absolutely must stick together to ensure a strong turnout and hopefully retake the Senate as well as the White House.
Cha
(297,186 posts)like every other Dem candidate.
No exceptions.
mac56
(17,566 posts)Any opportunity to bash Bernie must be instantly seized with both hands.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fact of the matter is that NONE of the above are true... but the repeated attacks like that on Democrats and the Democratic party definitely cause division, resentment and suspicion. It certainly isn't the kind of thing to motivate people to support the Democratic party (either with their vote, or their time, or their donations).
All I'm saying is that this just plays into the myth that "both parties are the same"... and that's simply not true. But with enough repetition, people begin to believe it and they have no reason to vote for Democrats at all.
Sadly that weakens the party, and a weakened Democratic party only serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)He is the vehicle for those foreign attacks
Duppers
(28,120 posts)They should just stfu. Bernie will not be our candidate >.<
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Many of Bernies ideas were added to Hillarys platform.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)And vote democratic down ballot as well. Local races are very important too and the party needs to win back state legislatures and governorships as well.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)I'll decide before my state Caucus. But lets keep our eye on the prize, the humiliating defeat of the orange anus.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)I will vote for every Democrat on my ballot. I prefer Kamala Harris at the moment, but I think Amy Klobuchar made a strong announcement speech.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)No worries son, it won't be Bernie. Remember, he's not a Democrat. You re good.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Lots of people from bernie's camp and other non-hillary camps made the decision to not vote for Clinton, and in some cases even vote for Trump (I didn't believe this until I read up on it) I think the intent of the OP is to identify folks who may have a similar mindset this time around so that hopefully they can be convinced that's the not the best approach.
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)But it wont be Bernie. The Dem bench is too strong this time.
PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)Like a year early.
As time goes by, leaders will emerge.
Some of us will fall in love with one leader, and some for another.
There will be infighting as surrogates for one spread partial truths about the others, or even (alas!) lies.
People will get angry.
They will argue.
And the media will work very, very hard to amplify every little faux 'controversy' for the sake of increased ratings and more shareholder profits.
Super Pacs will begin spreading lies and half-truths, and the corporate owned media will eagerly grasp the ad revenues.
And you and I will get barraged with emails, direct mails and telephone calls begging us for donations.
Then someone will win.
THAT IS WHEN WE ALL NEED TO FORGET THE SHIT AND GET BEHIND THEM, WHEN WE MUST DO ALL WE CAN TO ENSURE THEY ARE ELECTED. WHEN WE MUST DO ALL WE CAN TO SEE DEMS ELECTED AT ALL LEVELS.
RobertDevereaux
(1,857 posts)Whoever wins the D primary is the D candidate and must get all of our votes.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)BostonBlue
(53 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Of course I will. What other alternative do I have. But I want a DEMOCRATIC candidate.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)lark
(23,097 posts)I would vote for my hyper but sweet Aussie before I'd vote for one of the devils (aka repugs) or not vote at all.
My faves rarely win because I prefer the far left spectrum of policies in general, but I always switch my allegiance to the winners and go all out for them. This year I'm retired so I can participate so much more than I did in the elections prior to the mid-terms, and I'm looking forward to it.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Anyone but trump
cate94
(2,810 posts)Would be better than the best Republican. I doubt Ill ever vote for a Republican again.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)"Finger pointing, blaming, and demonizing ANY of these potential candidates does NOT help the cause or our ultimate goal. "
These are things are viewed different by each individual. I was a big Clinton backer. I know that many Clinton backers around me thought that discussing her Iraq war vote was counterproductive and was just an attempt to demonize her. I thought it was fair game and an important part of her political history. I think talking about Gabbards appearant affection for brutal dictators to be fair game in a primary. Others don't. I think discussing Sanders past literary work that involves rape fantasies and his refusal to release full tax returns to be fair debate. Others don't.
"It is time for solidarity, not infighting."
Primaries are the exact time for infighting. The general, or the point at which the nominee is known, is the time for solidarity.
Out of all current announced candidates there isn't one I wouldn't vote for in the general.
K&R
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...the Dem nominee. PERIOD!
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)Though I made my preference Kamala Harris, I would be excited about Biden/Harris with a spot in Government for Klobuchar as AG with Franken back in the Senate.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I'll be interested to see who doesn't agree to this, though.
Bernie42020
(22 posts)I see the demonizing already, posted in this very thread.
No one can deny that he pulled over 150K users, over 4M in the first day alone.
That actually means something.
Cha
(297,186 posts)BS makes.. he's going to be Vetted like every other Democratic Candidate.
No exceptions.
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Everyone is lost in the crowd. The debates will help us.
Just heard a Republican Governor say Trump looks weak in the 2020 Election.
You think Republicans are sick of his hate filled, snarling attacks,too? None of them know if they will be next.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Bernie has faults just like all the others, it will be a choice of what we want to over look, no one is perfect. Just as long as we in the end come together and vote, VOTE BLUE.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)Fall in love with a primary candidate, and then enthusiastically support and GOTV the eventual nominee.
Zoonart
(11,860 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It's just a matter of how hard I'll work and how much I'll contribute. For some, the answer is zero other than casting the ballot.
50 Shades Of Blue
(9,983 posts)But there are some I won't be that happy to vote for. But the worst is infinitely times infinity better than Trump or Pence!
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)This what the gop does. As long as they have (R) after their name, they are accepted. The added bonus of Russian money helped, of course. We democratic supporters want BRAINS in our candidates.
Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)Anyone over trump
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Nt.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)Bernie votes and caucuses with the Dems. I respect his independence. if you look at his voting record, it is 90% with the Dems.
He is a valuable voice who has clearly proposed many good ideas, some of which are now being adopted by other Dem candidates, and most of his ideas I agree with and support.
he is very careful not do anything to threaten the dem party or it's candidate if it is not him. if he doesn't get the nomination, there is zero chance he will run independent.
the rules allow him to get on the ticket and run as a Dem. i have no problem with it. if he is nominated i will gladly vote for him in the general election.
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lkinwi
(1,477 posts)Lets let the republicans be the only ones who eat their own.
pamdb
(1,332 posts)YES
There are certain candidates I prefer: Harris, Biden, Sherrod Brown,Klobacher,
and ones I don't want: Bernie, Booker (maybe) Gillibrand, but whomever they nominate, I'm there.
Discipline
It's something the repubs are good at. Democrats, not so much.
No pouting or voting for some idiotic 3rd party candidate (If it hadn't been for the idiots who voted for Jill Stein, I think Michigan would have gone for Hillary)
Just pull the lever or fill in the circle for the DEMOCRATS!!!!!
Or when I die I will come back to haunt you!!!! And I'm 67 so it maybe not be that long. I'm thinking...86?
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)We6ve an embarrassment of riches.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)That is, if the ham sandwich is a Democrat. Yes, put me on the "I will vote for any Democrat over Trump" list.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)although I would prefer Sen. Ham Sandwich. Experience and all...
theboss
(10,491 posts)Oy vey.
Freddie
(9,265 posts)I dont think Bernie can win in the general. And that should be our #1 consideration. If he ends up the candidate Ill vote for him and hope he chooses a good running mate.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)not campaign for or give money to him. However, with all the other younger and progressive candidates running, I do not expect this to be a problem.
DirtEdonE
(1,220 posts)SKKY
(11,804 posts)...I think we have an embarrassment of riches with this group of candidate so any of them will be fine.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)But, please, please, please not Tulsi Gabbsrd.
Roadside Attraction
(238 posts)A percentage of voters will vote for the Republican candidate no matter who s/he is.
A percentage of voters will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who s/he is.
The secret to victory is (1) turn out your base, and, (2) WIN THE CENTER.
This is the problem with the likes of (an unnamed old geezer) whose sole function is to "drive all the other candidates to the left."
We Democrats do not need to be driven to the left. We need to be driven to the CENTER. Because:
-- The Center supports legal, readily-available abortion
-- The Center supports tolerance toward minorities and LGBT
-- The Center has no use for Trump and Trump clones
-- The Center supports some form of national health insurance
-- The Center supports extended background checks, bans on bump stocks, and other serious gun control
-- The Center supports green energy
-- The Center supports public education
-- The Center is the middle class who recognize they are in trouble and who want help that only Democrats can give
We do not need any candidate who "drives Democrats to the left." We need a solidly centrist candidate because The Center supports what we support.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,335 posts)Republicans depend on (1) their base -- radical extremists -- getting out to vote, and (2) depressing the turnout of Democrats, and (3) "The Center" mostly staying unmotivated to vote.
We need to educate the electorate and get the masses to vote.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)the center will have the courage to take on even more. I can see a revival of a MIDDLE class coming about. Now that would be something! When the majority of people believe in something, THAT"S the center. What with all these wonderful candidates taking on Bernie's timely ideas what would you expect? Why not vote for the original!
murielm99
(30,736 posts)from the Democratic Party platform. So yes, let's vote for the original. Choose one of the Democrats, an original who is not afraid to identify as a Democrat, come hell or high-water.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)bonfire is a sorry state. I think Bernie has the courage and persistence to DO something about them-----along with many of the newly inspired.
murielm99
(30,736 posts)All the other things he has accomplished in forty years?
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)is the left now. Same thing.
CaptainTruth
(6,589 posts)The infighting will do far more harm than good in the long run.
I hope all the Democratic candidates and their supporters will agree to not damage each other's candidates.
subana
(586 posts)you wouldn't be much of a democrat to do anything else! Voting for a republican would be insane! And even if you like an independent, let's be real, no independent is ever going to win unless things change in a dramatic way. To vote for someone who has no chance of winning would be similar to voting for a republican since it's 1 less vote the democratic candidate would get!
Personally I like Harris, I think she would make a great president! But I will vote whoever the democratic candidate is.
Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)I would like to be clear since Sen. Sanders is not a Democrat that I will vote him if he is the nominee also.
SouthernLiberal
(407 posts)The worst Democratic candidate will be better than the best Respublican one.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,915 posts)This is the wrong place for those wishing to explore their politicality.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Hope it's a real Dem, though!
Mr.Bill
(24,284 posts)Aristus
(66,328 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Bettie
(16,095 posts)because any one of the people who have announced so far or are likely to announce that they are running are so much better than that orange thing and his grifter family.
DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)zanana1
(6,112 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)1-2 may be a bit of a hold-your-nose thing, but the least Democratic nominee is better miles better than anyone the GOP has fielded in a generation.
sacto95834
(393 posts)And plan on doing so again, unless the party looses it's mind and endorses Donald J. Trump. That would be a step WAY too far....
Mickju
(1,803 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)I'm looking forward to 2020 and supporting our candidate to the fullest.
farmbo
(3,121 posts)EOM
Politicub
(12,165 posts)To do otherwise is unthinkable.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)not going to change now!
Hawaii Hiker
(3,165 posts)The Supreme Court is hanging by a thread and Dump has put too many kooks on the Circuit Courts already, so without question i will vote for the Democratic nominee in Nov 2020..
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)However, if it is Kirsten who led the take down of Al Franken, I will hold my breath while I do it. In this list I would prefer Mickey Mouse over her.
bluestarone
(16,926 posts)Only hurting our selves by fighting about this!
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)However, we are rooting hard for Kamala Harris!
Glorfindel
(9,729 posts)n/t
FrankBooth
(1,603 posts)I wont ever support Bernie in the primary. But if he somehow manages to win the Dem nomination he has my vote. I sincerely hope Bernie supporters will do the same when he loses again.
Tulsi Gabbard may be the exception ... thankfully she has zero chance.
Warren_Pointe
(328 posts)Every time
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)I have my preferences as to the candidate but I will vote for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE...WHOEVER IT IS.
BarbD
(1,192 posts)We have to take the Senate, State and local elections. The blue wave has to be a tsunami.
Looking forward to the Democratic Presidential Primary with so many candidates. What an opportunity to discuss, display and distribute our diversity!
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)Blue1963
(77 posts)on Whoever, Harris, Biden, Warren, Sanders, Castro, Gillibrand, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Booker, Brown, Beto, Tree Stump, My mom's cat. Anyone not Trump. They are all in play.
jalan48
(13,863 posts)years and it won't change this time.
SallyHemmings
(1,821 posts)I really dont much care after having Donnie Boy breaking just about everything.
I will donate time and money. I have seven grand babies whom deserve sanity.
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Catch2.2
(629 posts)I will support any Dem against Trump! Unity is the key here!!!
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)I voted Bernie in 2016 primary, and voted Hillary in general last time around. At this exact moment i am a fan of all our people running, with a lean toward Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. Whomever is the eventual nominee, i will of course vote for.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)The Democratic candidate gets my vote if I get the right to do so.
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Mabel
(79 posts)however in the end I always vote Democrat as it's the party that comes the closest to what my values and beliefs are.
IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)There shouldn't even be a question.....
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I will vote for Democrats, up and down the ballot.
Even if the nominee ends up being Tulsi Gabbard or Bernie Sanders. Because while (IMO) they are problematic, they're still a *hell* of a lot better than Trump.
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)I also pledge to build bridges where I find divides .. Let's Win This
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)SpankMe
(2,957 posts)But today, with margins so thin, we have to keep the Dems in charge. And that means holding majorities in legislative houses (because the majority usually gets the leadership positions and can control the schedule and agenda). And that means voting Democratic no matter what.
Ideological purity has to take a back seat to party affiliation at times like this.
When Dems have a 2/3-rds majority in a body, then go ahead and vote hyper-lib and risk losing a seat here and there to make our point. (In the 80's I voted Green a whole lot here in CA.)
But, I have been putting some of my lefty impulses in check as of late so we can counteract the unbelievable rightward swing of the Republican calamity. And that means occasionally supporting a moderate Dem over a far left one so we have a candidate who can beat most Repubs.
I know this will get me flamed. But, so be it...
Keep this thread kicked throughout the primary see if some lurking former members/jack-off radicals get the point.
iscooterliberally
(2,860 posts)Heck, I would vote to close the office of the presidency and tell congress everything is automatically vetoed for the next four years rather than keep what we have now. Trump is way worse than nothing. I know that's silly, but I'm kidding on the square as Al Franken used to say on his Air America show. I really like this group of candidates that we have. Compare them to all the republican candidates from 2015 and you can truly see how much better our side is. Go Dems!
QC
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EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)God I do hate all that squabbling shit.
I am not even going to tell anyone who I will vote for in the CA primary. Except my wife and kids.
Eyes on the prize people! Gotta get rid of the goddamn Trump!
mvd
(65,173 posts)If we nominated someone like Manchin it would be a struggle not to want a third candidate, but will do best I can. I don't think we will nominate someone that conservative anyway.
Brogrizzly
(145 posts)Any Functioning Adult Democrat
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)It may be as it has been in the past, I may have to hold my nose, but I do it. I have never missed a vote except for one city council vote when I had my appendix removed. Nothing would keep me from voting for a Democrat. Any Democrat would be better than the alternative.
meadowlander
(4,395 posts)ecstatic
(32,699 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)The Republicans have basically become open traitors to the country and its peoples. Time for us to throw them out.
California_Republic
(1,826 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,256 posts)for there surely will not be anymore after this
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)Response to garybeck (Original post)
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TryLogic
(1,723 posts)I really hope we can move on -- beyond Bernie, Hillary, even Biden. Bernie has made tremendous contributions to our ideas about what we really should be trying to accomplish as a nation. Biden is loved, but a year older than I am. I'm very healthy. I plan to play pickleball for at least eight more years, but to do the job of president? For eight years? For four years, then another wide open election? I hope we can move on. We have a whole bunch of great younger candidates.
I am very impressed with Kamala Harris, but absolutely open minded.
I worry about people from the Northeast -- too many big banks, insurance companies, etc. I'm not talking about electability; I'm talking about donations, loyalties, and influences; I'm talking about what they would DO.
I want to see resumes. I want to assess personalities and communication skills. I want to assess character and integrity. I want to assess wisdom and judgement. OBVIOUSLY, I want someone very different from Trump and every other Republican I can think of.
I want a Democrat.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Even if that person is someone that I did not vote for in the primary.
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)The worst Democrat is a trillion times better than that orange fuck or any one else in the GOP.
Laurelin
(525 posts)Or Bernie if he wins. Whoever wins the primary has my vote, money, support.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)And old DU meme: Ill wait in line with ham sandwich and vote for the Democratic nominee.
DBoon
(22,363 posts)We need someone who can bring PA, MI, and WI into our column at minimum.
My focus is winning. My attitude is that the least desirable Democrat from a policy perspective is leagues ahead of any Republican.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)a few months ago there were posts saying we MUST vote for Oprah,
because she had given a good speech somewhere,
about something.
Personally I'm putting more thought into my decision.
argyl
(3,064 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)This is an all hands on deck emergency!
Wednesdays
(17,359 posts)My avatar is a yellow dog for a reason.
VOX
(22,976 posts)I always vote for the entire Democratic ticket, top to bottom.
No third-party doofuses for me, EVER.
CDerekGo
(507 posts)Prof.Higgins
(194 posts)debsy
(530 posts)No question!
bitterross
(4,066 posts)To do otherwise is stupid.
bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)It's such a strong field. I'm leaning towards Harris, but there are so many good candidates. I listen to NPR, and every time they interview someone I get the same feeling - "there's another fantastic, rational, intelligent candidate"...A couple of days ago I listened to the interview with Buttigieg, who I'd never heard of before. His policies and priorities are right on, and he speaks so articulately, down to earth and solid. Booker, same. It's hard not to be just generally enthusiastic.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)certain candidates and their supporters. We need to be united no matter then Dem candidate cuz the right-wing is gonna pull out ALL the stops in 2020...
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,751 posts)At the moment I like Kamela Harris. I like how she gets to the heart of the matter and speaks directly. There is definitely a ranking among the candidates and for me Senator Harris is the leader of the pack. She has a good GTFO progressive leaning attitude.
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Simple Enough
mac2766
(658 posts)Whoever gets the nomination in the general election. Just like 2016. Hated that Bernie didn't win the nomination, but would love to have seen our candidate get elected. She was a good one, and I would have been proud to have seen Hillary Clinton elected. I'm very proud to say that I voted for her.
Go Bernie!!!
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)though there are one or two I'll have to pinch my nose while pulling the lever.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)chia
(2,244 posts)RogerM
(150 posts)Really hope that this fake will lose in the primaries. He is one of the reasons we lost 2016 and dont want to lose again bacause of him. He will never get my vote.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)Who are you?
Sure, "Roger."
ginny skinny
(182 posts)I've heard him interviewed a couple times on NPR and seen him interviewed on PBS. Liked what I saw and heard.
Whoever runs against Trump will get my vote. If multiple people run against Trump, the most likely winner will get my vote.
Trump must be defeated, it's the primary objective.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I really don't give a shit who it is, that person will have my vote, and the vote of anyone else I can get to do the same
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)regardless of who it is. The Democrat gets my vote. I won't sit and complain if it's not the person I wanted, I won't moan and groan, I won't whine incessantly on DU.
I will happily put my mark in the box next to the Democrat who will be the next president of the United States.
ooky
(8,922 posts)quakerboy
(13,920 posts)I think its still a long time till the elections, and the candidates and voters still have plenty of chances to make bad decisions. Its always possible we could come up with a dark horse that I flat can't back. Zombie Zell Miller, for instance.
But shy of some very unexpected and heinous turn like Lieberman turning up and literally stealing the show, I expect to be voting for the Democratic candidate, whoever it is.
My enthusiasm may be great, or moderate, or very tempered, depending on which one obtains the nomination. But I am a Democrat, and I am Antifa, and I will do what I realistically and meaningfully can to stand against fascism, including voting against Trump even if I dont wholeheartedly love our nominee.
StarryNite
(9,444 posts)highplainsdem
(48,974 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)dreamland
(964 posts)We need to stand together.
Sugarcoated
(7,722 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)There is no comparison between an ignorant orange buffoon and any of the Democratic candidates, I am concerned about the stupidity of the voters, the cheating of the republicans who have already started sending disinformation all over the place, and according to a reporter invited to the Rachel Maddow show last night, as expected, they have become more sophisticated, and that is of big concern.
Like Einstein so eloquently put it: "Only Two Things Are Infinite, the Universe and Human Stupidity, and I Do Not Know About the Former.", and as we know, there is no limit for voters stupidity.
The big question is, how can we contribute to combat the attacks that Russians and republicans are and will continue to stage on the internet? If we win that battle then we will defeat these crooks, otherwise it will become more difficult because like they did in 2016, votes will be changed, misinformation will have stupid people switch parties, same as it happened in 2016.
I am hoping Democrats would be more proactive in trying to prevent the cheating from republicans this time around, that they will protect their servers, etc.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,748 posts)Even if it were one of the two candidates I think are fairly poor choices ( one of them has vot officially announced yet)