How ugly will it get when Trump loses in 2020?

[Cyrano]

When Trump loses in 2020 by many millions of votes, his Kool-Aid gobblers will go nuts.

It's a given that he will try to whip up violence. He'll start his "It's rigged" meme way in advance of the election, just like he did in 2016. And he'll have the help of Fox, Limbaugh, et. al.

About a third of voters are Trump nuts. And my guess is that most of them are gun owners.

So let me get to the point here. How bad will the backlash be? Will just a few nuts go out and shoot up billboards? Or will thousands of armed crazies take to the streets?

I really don't know. It could turn out to be a lot of sound and fury. Or it could turn into an ugly, minor civil war. How you can have a civil war without geographic boundaries is beyond me. But that's a sane assumption. And many of his backers are certifiably unhinged.

The given is that Trump and his minions will be whipped into a frenzy. The big question is, what will they do?

Opinions?

[Downtown Hound]

1. Meh. His cult is mostly all talk

Sure there are a few that will go bonkers, but all this talk about civil war is a bunch of crap. They want you to be scared. Don't be.

[NewJeffCT]

51. agreed

but, there will be a few loose cannons out there that do try to cause havoc.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

63. It has already begun. So sayeth the self-styled "American Thinker".

This is how many of them think:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/americas_second_civil_war_has_already_begun.html

America’s second civil war has already begun. Its opening shots were fired by Barack Obama when he stated, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” {...} Yes, this war has begun. The opening skirmish was the Obama presidency itself, which history will see as a failure, despite what the media want us to believe in the here and now. {...}

The war’s second battle was the 2016 presidential election when Hillary Clinton, Obama’s chosen successor, lost to a television personality whom very few took seriously as a candidate. Trump won despite the Obama administration conspiring with the Clinton campaign to steal the election and has remained as president even as that conspiracy fundamentally transformed into a failed coup attempt to depose him.

Trump’s presidency has been the third battle and with his string of successes, the battle is being won. This, despite near-universal acrimony and condemnation among the media, the Democrats, and the left.

{...}

Yet, they don’t need to trick us into acquiescence, because even should Trump win, without a complete reversal by the Democratic Party, a renewed free and fair media, and a return to the principles upon which this nation was founded, this war will continue, and it is only a matter of time before the left again wins the Presidency, or the House, or the Senate -- or all three.

When that happens, this civil war will become hot because the Democrats are going to come for our guns. An armed citizenry is a free citizenry, and they can’t have that.

[Downtown Hound]

65. Wanker horseshit.

Not the least of which is that you have believe the assertion that Democrats are going to come for all the guns. That is bullshit, always has been bullshit, and always will be bullshit. That cry of, "They're coming for your guns" is just fear mongering Republicans use to get morons to vote for them.

[RockRaven]

2. The idea of mass violence is overblown, imo. There will be some horrific instances, possibly.

But in general, most MAGAts are like Trump -- loud bullies who talk a lot of s--t, and have delusions about their own future actions, but are rather cowardly when it is time to put up or shut up.

[bearsfootball516]

3. Lol. There might be 1 or 2 random acts of violence.

But the idea that there will be another civil war or an armed uprising is crazy.

[Cirque du So-What]

4. I am not skeered

All talk, they are.

[Shell_Seas]

5. Remember, he lost by millions of votes last time, too.

[gratuitous]

6. Will thousands of armed crazies take to the streets?

No.

And, even if they do, the United States is a pretty big place with lots of open country between significant centers of society. Even if thousand of crazies got their shit together sufficiently to coordinate, say, an armed march / attack on Washington DC, they would find themselves (in the words of Director Fury from the first Avengers movie) "hopelessly, hilariously, outgunned."

[redstatebluegirl]

7. They would have to pry themselves out of their lounge chairs in their basements to do anything.

I don't think most of them are in any shape to launch a violent protest. I used to think so, but not anymore.

[Thekaspervote]

8. Agree his minions are all talk. Don't wanna get off the couch or turn fux news off

[uponit7771]

9. They're punks for the most part, no worried about them ... worried about the clean up the next ...

... president has to do on the national security front.

I mean, FIRING ALL OF THE KGOP AROUND HIM !!!

They're all sold out cultist, NO ONE from Red Don's admin ... SHOULD ... be able to be around the new president.

[Butterflylady]

10. I know what the secret service will do.

When the new democratic president- elect takes the oath of office, the secret service will escort him (orange face -a-hole)one way or the other, out of the Whitehouse. As far as a-holes fans, I guess they'll just have to call out the military.

[GetRidOfThem]

38. Can't call the military...

...not for domestic conflict. National Guard may be, but not the military.


Michael Cohen made a reference to this question yesterday: If Agent Orange loses, he won't go quietly, and there will be no peaceful transfer of power. I think the Secret Service would prepare for this...

[ChicagoRonin]

11. I don't think we'll really know 'till we're there

So much of things since 2016 has defied anything I could possibly have conceived, so I think we're truly in unknown territory.

If I was to theorized, I think we should envision a situation less like when a popular political figure in America is defeated in an election or brought down by scandal than when a cult-like celebrity dies. Or crazed sports fans after an extreme victory or defeat.

Then add in guns.

Then add in who would be the easiest and most vulnerable targets (minorities, handicapped, women, LGBT groups, etc.).

[Cyrano]

23. I've got to agree with you

We've been in "unknown territory" since this maniac came to power.

It really is unknown what the crazies will do or how they'll react.

However, what I find encouraging, is that they're not a single, organized entity.

There's no telling what one person, or a small group of people will do.

But I can't see a massive, organized movement of any kind. Uneducated people, fools, haters, bigots, and many of the incredibly wealthy, will hate the fact that their orange "god" is out of power.

My biggest fear is more incidents of madmen with guns murdering innocent people. How do we stop this? C'mon, we all know the answer. The guns have got to go.

[smirkymonkey]

12. We underestimate them at our peril.

Sure, most of them are all talk. However I think there are enough of them who would be spurred into action to cause a real problem in this country and LE is going to have to prepare for that. We assume that they are sane and they aren't. A lot of these people have a religious devotion to Trump and when he is removed from office they are going to freak.

[Runningdawg]

27. THIS 100%

Seriously, I can't be the only person here who knows some of these people IN PERSON. A few ARE going to walk into a crowded place, open fire and die a martyr. Far more are going to wage an insurrection. Snipers, car and pipe bombs, kidnappings, hijackings, ritual beheadings and hangings posted anonymously to the dark web... ANY dirty trick you have seen Al Qaeda or ISIS pull, these guys will take it up a notch. Now, let's talk about how many have infiltrated the military and police departments....
This is NOT some spur-of-the-moment BS, it's been planned for YEARS.
Remember the "church" people from Elohim City OK that helped to train, supply and hide Tim McVeigh? They were never convicted of ANYTHING, they are still there and more have joined them and other groups like them that hide in plain sight.

[Cyrano]

31. We can only hope that the FBI has them under surveillance

[JustAnotherGen]

62. Define LE though

Aren't a lot of the 'trumpsters' aka white supremacists in all levels of LE?

That's scary.

[yellowdogintexas]

13. I have more concern that he simply refuses to leave the WH.

this of course is another speculation making the rounds.

In this election, there is a bigger chance that the orderly transition of power to which we are accustomed will not occur than at any time in our history.

[murielm99]

22. That is what I think, too.

He will have to be escorted out. How many threats, how much loss of dignity to the office will it take to get him out? (He has no personal dignity).

Will they have to pick him up and carry him out?

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. It is the combination of

a. worship him, they do

b. he refuses to leave and has the military on his side, maybe

c. media refuses to do their job


perfect storm

or

of course, dont forget

d. GOP refuses to be patriots

[robbob]

49. What would we do, what COULD we do

in the event of an obviously rigged election? Maybe 2016 was just the warm up; there was certainly lots of talk about how hackers had infiltrated the voting machines but “didn’t change the vote totals”. Why would they do that, unless to see if they could? Whoever is running for president on the reThug side (and I sincerely hope the dump is out of the picture at that point) will have the full weight of an anti-democratic machine behind them. Never let your guard down with a cornered rat...

[ooky]

70. I hope so. I would enjoy watching him be escorted out by law officers.

[Aristus]

14. "Mass uprisin' in s'pport of Trump? Well...Garth's on CMT tonight, an' th lil woman

is makin' chicken-fried steak fer dinner, so......raincheck?"

[bluestarone]

15. I think there will be a few

Of CLIVEN BUNDY type demonstrations here and there, AND some other truly violent types, BUT we will be able to handle it!

[Scurrilous]

16. They'll do whatever FOX News tells them.

Cry, rage, sputter, don a tricorne hat...whatever.

[Cosmocat]

17. The republican party just gets more angry and detached from reality each and every day

See, Gaetz threatening a congressional witness.

They are nothing more than a democratic/liberal troll party now.

They stand for nothing other than hating the liberal boogyman.

They WILL gin themselves up to a deranged hatred of whoever the democratic nominee is, and he or she will not be "legitiimate" see, BHO.

By the time it gets around to election day, 45 and his supporters will be full on running on his needing to be reelected to avoid jail.

We have see NOTHING yet.

[dameatball]

18. I don't think he will be President in 2020. I also think there will be some isolated violence when

he is removed from office. My main concern is the security of those deemed most responsible for his removal. I also suspect that certain symbols (such as Federal Buildings) could be targeted. We have seen that already. As far as "civil war" I think that is unlikely. In 1861 the country was more purely divided geographically then it is today. North and South were easy to define for the most part. Here we are in 2019 and I couldn't honestly tell you the political leanings of more than two or three families on my street. I expect a version of right wing violence that may be larger than the crap we are already seeing, but a general Civil War seems unlikely. And, no, I am not any type of expert, just an opinion.

[world wide wally]

19. For one thing, they won't know who to shoot.

I'm not too worried about a "Civil War", but the most difficult time will be after Election Day and before the Inauguration of a new President. Many of us will be drowned in bullshit on the radio and TV. Not to mention the people at work and school.
But then comes our new President and the party begins with a collective sigh of relief and a nationwide block party.

[Towlie]

26. Maybe the red MAGA baseball cap will become their uniform.

[lagomorph777]

48. That will make them targets if they have decided to start a war.

[Sogo]

20. How ugly will it get?

Trump's going to get a good spanking in the 2020 election, and per Stormy, I'm under the impression he enjoys a good spanking....

So, not ugly at all, but a win-win!

[Towlie]

21. However ugly that would be it'll be uglier if he's removed before then. Uglier, that is, but better.

[Strelnikov_]

24. Trump will not be on the ballot

IMHO:

Early summer 2020, after a majority of the R primaries are over, and a reasonable time before the convention, Trump will have his Nixon moment (when now safe R senators go tell Trump it's over). They will install their candidate best able to beat whoever the Dems nominate (Haley?). The Trumpanzies will quickly be transformed into ?anzies by the propaganda network, because in the end they are simply easily programmed "anything-with-R" proles.

This is the scenario the Dems need to be prepared for. One way to prepare is to continue to tie the R 'brand' to Trump.

[Cyrano]

52. Do you really think he'd allow anyone to steal his crown?

Trump ain't Nixon. He's a bigger thug than Nixon ever dreamed of being.

If he's not impeached, he may get the nomination through threats, intimidation, or whatever brutality is needed.

He'll do everything necessary to steal it. And if that doesn't work, and he loses, he'll spend years sewing hatred, bigotry, and dividing the country as much as he has while he held office.

This man, and those like him, are a cancer on America. And the sooner most Americans realize it, the sooner he will be ignored, exiled, shunned and treated like the deadly virus he is.

[marlakay]

25. His people will cause problems

But I think he will be glad its over and slink away. I bet he is looking for a great place to live outside the country with no extradition.

[brooklynite]

28. Answer: no violence

Trump talks a tough game, but it has rarely translated into anything, And what would a Trump supporter shoot at?

[smirkymonkey]

39. Anything or anybody they perceive as liberal.

Minorities, gay people, women, etc. Do you really think they won't cause violence? I am glad you are so optimistic. You must be a white, straight male.

[brooklynite]

40. I am, and I'm also a political realist who doesn't let emotion and fear cloud my analysis.

How much violence was there when evil Nancy Pelosi came back? How about when she block funding for "the wall"?

[smirkymonkey]

41. Losing their lord and savior is going to be a different story altogether.

They have a religious fervor about keeping him in office. Most of them literally believe that he is the Messiah. There are just too many insane people with guns for me to believe that at least a significant percentage of them won't be using them against those that they feel are "taking their rights away". I hope you are right, but I will not be surprised if all hell breaks loose.

[Brawndo]

47. You don't operate on emotion and fear, but they do

tRump knows that losing the Presidency means he will die in prison. His behavior has shown that he holds nothing but himself as sacred and will do anything to avoid that fate. He will undoubtedly incite violence in the event of a loss and with right-wing media pushing that message enough of his cult will answer the call. Never do an enemy the service of underestimating them. They're stupid but really how smart does a mob have to be to be dangerous?

[brooklynite]

53. Here's a theory: Trump will never go to prison...

I'm not convinced there's a chargeable offense that will apply to him. There may have been collusion, but 1) campaign finance fraud isn't a major crime and 2) it's possible the kids were doing the plotting and he just did his rally speeches.

[Brawndo]

57. What about obstruction of justice?

He did that openly on national TV during the Lester Holt interview. I'm convinced the Mueller report will contain much more evidence to justify a prison sentence and I think his spawn will be joining him there too. As the saying goes, "It's not the crime, it's the cover up."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. There are. He is crooked. But he will litigate everything endlessly & may die naturally before sent.

[Maxheader]

30. We may not survive the campaign between now and then...

Cheetoz may decide it doesn't want another 4 years in isolation...It may promote one of its kid to take its place...And that might work....

[Pachamama]

32. Based on what the rhetoric is out of CPAC, they will make it a Jihad/Holy War....

And the Beef Industry Lobby....

I think what Michael Cohen said really should make us all wake up to what the Trumpanzees and GOP and Right wing evangelicals plan to do....and that it won't be a peaceful transition....

This is going to be a fight for our democracy....

[Doreen]

33. When they realize their god is

not real they are going to crawl back under their rocks. No more permission to be hateful and violent. Yes, some will have a temper tantrum but violence on the major scale, no.

[Faux pas]

34. There will

be more violence when their (cult) leader is arrested in front of the whole world.

[treestar]

35. He will rant on about how it was rigged

He and Fox will trash the winner/President elect.

Then he will go on a tour of rallies for himself.

He breaks many traditions, so the one about welcoming the new President and going to their inauguration might not be observed. He will make the excuse they are a fake President and so he can't go to the inauguration.

On his tour, he will claim 46's inauguration had very small crowds.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. I worry more about him actually losing than what will happen if he loses...

He's still way too popular for us to pretend his losing is a forgone conclusion - especially if the economy isn't sagging by 2020. Granted, many of us are banking on a Mueller report that is devastating but even that is questionable. What isn't questionable is that today, right now, Trump's average approval is at 44%. This SHOULD be the concern of many Democrats - despite all the innuendo, the awful comments, the horrendous news cycles and negative stories about how corrupt his administration appears to be, Trump's approval today, at 44%, is only four-points worse than Obama's was at this point in his presidency. Moreover, Obama's approval dipped through the summer of 2011, as his approval, by August, was below Trump's current approval. If Trump's approval maintains at its current numbers, in a couple months, he'll equal Obama's approval/disapproval in 2011 - as Obama spent most of July through the end of 2011 with approval ratings very similar to Trump's currently.

What happened? Obama won reelection.

Also: Trump's approval average of 44% is the highest it's been since the beginning of his presidency.

[The_jackalope]

37. There won't be Civil War II or Rwanda 2.0

No armed military-style insurrections. But there will probably be a bigly surge in whiteright terrorist attacks and mass shootings, especially at librul institutions. Assassinations of judges and left-wing newspeople will become a growth industry. Lots of "stochastic terrorism." How long it last depends on whether the FBI can get in front of the curve, and how good their intel is.

As a child of the 60s I never thought I'd be cheering on the FBI...

[Blue_Tires]

42. Before we even get to that,

how ugly will it be when Bernie has to drop out?

[MineralMan]

44. I suspect that event will pass almost unnoticed, really.

[Blue_Tires]

55. I wish I could share your optimism...

[MineralMan]

43. I'm far from certain that Trump will even be the GOP candidate

in 2020. That's a long time off. There's a dark cloud hanging over his head, as well. Let's hope for thunder, lightning, and possibly an F4 tornado from that cloud.

[edhopper]

45. America will celebrate

like the end of Return of the Jedi.

[PTWB]

46. The bigger question is what if he wins again? Via even more blatant Russian

tampering and interference? What do WE do? Cause I could foresee them stealing a couple of states and locking him in for another 4 years. It isn’t going to take much.


THAT is my big fear.

[Cyrano]

56. I thing the other 2/3 of America would revolt

People can be pushed just so far.

[lunasun]

61. ++My fear is not about him losing

[standingtall]

50. There will be a handful of isolated incidents

and by 2024 they would've all but forgotten Trump and moved on to the next republican nominee who will most likely be a scumbag too.

[The_jackalope]

54. Coincidentally, WaPo has an article on this topic today

In America, talk turns to something unspoken for 150 years: Civil war

At a moment when the country has never seemed angrier, two political commentators from opposite sides of the divide concurred last week on one point, nearly unthinkable until recently: The country is on the verge of “civil war.”

First came former U.S. attorney Joseph diGenova, a Fox News regular and ally of President Trump. “We are in a civil war,” he said. “The suggestion that there’s ever going to be civil discourse in this country for the foreseeable future is over. . . . It’s going to be total war.”

The next day, Nicolle Wallace, a former Republican operative turned MSNBC commentator and Trump critic, played a clip of diGenova’s commentary on her show and agreed with him — although she placed the blame squarely on the president.

A tumultuous couple of weeks in American politics seem to have raised the rhetorical flourishes to a new level and also brought a troubling question to the surface: At what point does all the alarmist talk of civil war actually increase the prospect of violence, riots or domestic terrorism?

[The Genealogist]

58. I'd guess there's be random acts of violence

Most of them will just sit in their wingnut symbology covered hoverrounds, pissing and moaning about how horrid the Dems are to ddny them their Precious. Then a kid will get on their lawn and they'll be off on that tangent, screeching at him or her to get offa it.

[rzemanfl]

59. If that orange piece of shit is still in office in November 2020 things will already be

so ugly we will hardly notice.

[Jimbo S]

60. Most of them are "all hat, no cowboy"

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

64. First, he has to lose. Which means ...

... the Dem needs to actually win.

Hopefully, no coffee-pouring billionaire will split the liberal vote. Hopefully, no Green party fake will split the liberal vote. Hopefully, liberal voters will vote Dem, and not vote "their conscience, whatever that means.

[Captain Stern]

66. No more ugly than usual.

Yeah, his supporters will be in a frenzy...Deep State!...Socialists!....Rigged Elections!...Civil War!..blah, blah, blah.

The people that support guys like trump are pretty much always in a frenzy when things don't go exactly the way they want them to (to be fair, there are a few folks on our side like that too).

When they lose, they'll claim the President is somehow illegitimate...birth certificate!!...illegal aliens!!.....actual space aliens!!!!....illegal aliens voted!!...illegal space aliens voted twice!!!, SO NEED SPACE FORCE NOW!!

That's what they do.

[lanlady]

68. Trump will slither away

into the waiting arms of the SDNY.

He'll continue to tweet but few will care - most Americans will be mighty sick of him. He'll spend the rest of his days in court fighting off convictions & emptying the family coffers to pay the legal fees. Melania will probably leave him and sue him for whatever he has left. His supporters will move on. I truly think that their support of him is skin-deep. Like the Tea Party so-called movement, he's the latest flash in the pan expressing their rage at... who the hell knows what. They'll go back to shooting defenseless animals.

The con has run its course, as happens to all cons.

[ooky]

69. They will try to slither away unnoticed. But they should know that they

will never be taken seriously again by those who know who they are.

[pwb]

71. You ready to hide under your bed?

Go ahead. Not me.