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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLouise Mensch (08/2017): Was Jun 24, 2016 in Scotland 2nd treason meeting??
https://patribotics.blog/2017/08/04/scot-sedition-june-24-treasonmeeting-2/"After this meeting, Trumps fortunes changed rapidly. He arrived in Scotland broke, with his campaign deep in debt, and his polling numbers an embarrassment. Just days after he departed, the Trump campaign was flooded with money and Russian bots, previously dedicated to Brexit, began to retarget themselves to Trump."
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,864 posts)...when the national media was running with the story last year that Kushner gained his security clearance appropriately and through the proper channels, Mensch was apparently one that said that was all wrong, and that Trump overruled the intelligence community in order to grant Kushner his security clearance. We only learned just last week that they were wrong and Mensch was right...
triron
(22,002 posts)She is somewhat eccentric, that is all.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Shes sure got her blind followers, though.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/trump-tweets-hoax-louise-mensch-claude-taylor
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Mensch is a charlotan. Shes rarely ever right, and when she is shes late to the party.
But hey, believe all the bullshit you want.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)was retweeting Congressman Don Beyer of Virginia, and saying Beyer was right -- not the NYTimes and the WA Post.
WA Post wrote an incorrect story on May 23, 2018. They'd been fooled by team Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jared-kushner-receives-permanent-security-clearance-ending-uncertainty-over-his-status/2018/05/23/b4a57fae-5eb6-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html?utm_term=.b9e2487f1a85
Kushners permanent clearance was granted by career White House and intelligence officials after the completion of his FBI background check, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. This person confirmed that Kushner was granted a top-secret clearance, a level he had previously held on an interim basis.
Current and former law enforcement officials said it would be very unusual for someone to get a full security clearance if there were an ongoing criminal investigation that had the potential to result in charges for that person.
The NY Times wrote its own incorrect story on May 23. They were also fooled by team Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html
Link to tweet
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Jared Kushner was granted a permanent security clearance, ending a period of uncertainty about whether he was in peril in the Mueller probe
Louise Mensch knew that the story about Kushner's security clearance meaning that Mueller had cleared him was wrong, and she retweeted Rep. Don Beyer's long thread about why. And she also posted this:
Link to tweet
Louise MenschVerified account @LouiseMensch
As to your "not being a Trump fan", that may be, but the idea that because Trump validated his own son-in-law's clearance, that Kushner is somehow in less legal jeopardy, is risible, and @NYTimes suggesting that this is so is also risible.
10:33 AM - 24 May 2018
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Louise Mensch is a garbage charlotan.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)She got the story about the Kushner clearance right in May 2018, when the MSM was getting it wrong.
Link to tweet
Louise MenschVerified account @LouiseMensch
As to your "not being a Trump fan", that may be, but the idea that because Trump validated his own son-in-law's clearance, that Kushner is somehow in less legal jeopardy, is risible, and @NYTimes suggesting that this is so is also risible.
10:33 AM - 24 May 2018
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Throw enough shit at a wall, something will stick.
Shes a failed RW MP and a shitty chick-lit author. Not someone who ANYONE would consider trustworthy if she wasnt talking about Trump. Many other trusthworthy actual journalists out there that we can leave pedlers of bullshit where they belong.
triron
(22,002 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
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malaise
(268,993 posts)I have long been suspicious of that trip.
Celerity
(43,349 posts)RW site, Heat Street, where amongst other things she praised multiple Trump appointments. She is a disinfo agent.
Relax! Donald Trump is Appointing Some Truly Great People
Home Politics
By Louise Mensch | 5:06 pm, November 14, 2016
https://web.archive.org/web/20161117082032/https://heatst.com/politics/relax-donald-trump-is-appointing-some-truly-great-people/
These 2 following articles eviscerate any and all credibility she had, especially the first, a massive 9000 word monograph.
Louise Mensch Is More Dangerous than Facebook
How can you say something is illegal when it's in the constitution?
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/10/youre-not-mad-at-facebook-youre-mad-at-america.html
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In this longform exposé, Im going to do that, but also want to illustrate just how dangerous misinformation is, and how difficult it is, when elements of truth are mixed with misleading or false or incomplete information, to tell the difference between this misinformation and your own patterns of thought. Youll see the extreme lengths Ill have to go to in order to do this, especially when the misinformation comes from someone as smart and slick as Mensch. It felt like I ran a marathon.
This is why Russias Facebook campaign did so much damage: It gave us Mensch and Cernovich and a raft of acolytes and wannabes clamoring for attention on all sides.
So Im going to do two things:
1. Show how the Trump campaign could have coordinated an information attack with Russia out in plain sight, using Facebook, with no one knowing.
But in order to get you there, Im first going to
2. Prove Mensch is and always has been wrong.
Fair warning: This article is fucking long and annoyingly detailed. Please feel free to skip ahead at anytime to the Facebook part (section: You Hate America). But theres something to take away from this, too: I needed to write a 9,000-word article to disprove a 600-word article.
Yes, its that bad.
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Beware the Kool-Aid: Louise Mensch and the dangers of your enemys enemies
In times of stress, disbelief and chronic institutional hypocrisy, many of us will clutch around for community, for forthright voices, for the beacons that might signal us out of the chaos and misery of our new norms. Well grab for any kind of escape hatch out of the raft thats barrelling towards the rapids, for seemingly reliable forces out to uncover the truths that will save us from our woes. For the American left, dealt a dreadful blow by the supposedly impossible election of an idiot who not only represents everything it believes wrong, but whos arrived either by complete accident or by the sinister design of foreign government (whichever one seems less jarring) one such attractive ripcord of hope inexplicably appeared on the horizon this year in the shape of a certain Louise Mensch.
As someone well-versed in the ways of Ms. Mensch in other words, like anyone who has had anything but the scantest interest in progressive politics in the UK over the last few years I was not a little confused to come across a tweet in March recommending the most inspirational women of Twitter to follow on the topics of authoritarianism, institutional lying and Russian hacking. Strangely, the list included, alongside powerfully informative voices like Brittany Packnett and Sarah Kendzior, the above-mentioned Ms. Mensch. Sarah herself, whose no-nonsense, anthropologically-sound commentary on the rise of Trump and the dangers of his wannabe totalitarianism has been a vital thread in connecting the dots of his views, aims and tactics since long before the election, also re-posted the tweet, simply appending it with the words I endorse this list.
What did these insightful American progressives know that I didnt know? Or, conversely, what was this self-styled resistance failing to spot thats been plain as day for the British left throughout the years Menschs rabid, libertarian star has been on the rise, a voice of jeering Conservatism in this new age of digital media?
It turns out that Ms. Mensch has only of late turned her laser-guided gaze of inchoate righteousness on Trump and the trail of suspicious threads leading from his presidential campaign out towards the Kremlin, through Russian banks and nepotistic appointments. So recently, in fact, that shed not long gone on record in praise of Trump and many of his appointments. In its time of need though, a progressive community looking for the quickest and most damning evidence of wrongdoing a smoking gun indisputable enough to lift us in one fell swoop out of the current moment of despair, had found an ally in Louises newfound rumblings on the nature of American power, her largely coincidental enemys enemy position an apparent irrelevance, since the courage and investigative brio of her methods must be a vital weapon in the dismantling of Trumps agenda, a thing surely to be embraced and wielded and fuelled.
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Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Thanks for the facts.
triron
(22,002 posts)Mensch left heatstreet in December, 2016. Perhaps she realized she was disiluslioned?
MelissaB
(16,420 posts)I've watched his account for a while. He was a prolific tweeter, but hasn't tweeted since Jan 26.
https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings?lang=en
Remember this article about him?
The Time I Got Recruited to Collude with the Russians
I read the Wall Street Journals article yesterday on attempts by a GOP operative to recover missing Hillary Clinton emails with more than usual interest. I was involved in the events that reporter Shane Harris described, and I was an unnamed source for the initial story. Whats more, I was named in, and provided the documents to Harris that formed the basis of, this evenings follow-up story, which reported that A longtime Republican activist who led an operation hoping to obtain Hillary Clinton emails from hackers listed senior members of the Trump campaign, including some who now serve as top aides in the White House, in a recruitment document for his effort:
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A few weeks later, right around the time the DNC emails were dumped by Wikileaksand curiously, around the same time Trump called for the Russians to get Hillary Clintons missing emailsI was contacted out the blue by a man named Peter Smith, who had seen my work going through these emails. Smith implied that he was a well-connected Republican political operative.
Initially, I assumed the query must have been about my work on the DNC hack; after all, few people followed my account prior to the DNC breach, whereas my analysis of the break-in at the DNC had received considerably more coverage. I assumed his query about the Clinton emails was therefore a mistake and that he meant instead to talk to me about the emails stolen from the DNC. So I agreed to talk to him, thinking that, whatever my views on then-candidate Trump, if a national campaign wanted an independent non-partisan view on the facts surrounding the case, I should provide it to the best of my ability.
Yet Smith had not contacted me about the DNC hack, but rather about his conviction that Clintons private email server had been hackedin his view almost certainly both by the Russian government and likely by multiple other hackers tooand his desire to ensure that the fruits of those hacks were exposed prior to the election. Over the course of a long phone call, he mentioned that he had been contacted by someone on the Dark Web who claimed to have a copy of emails from Secretary Clintons private server, and this was why he had contacted me; he wanted me to help validate whether or not the emails were genuine.
More: https://www.lawfareblog.com/time-i-got-recruited-collude-russians
MineralMan
(146,298 posts)What is the point of this?