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triron

(22,002 posts)
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:02 PM Mar 2019

Louise Mensch (08/2017): Was Jun 24, 2016 in Scotland 2nd treason meeting??

https://patribotics.blog/2017/08/04/scot-sedition-june-24-treasonmeeting-2/

"After this meeting, Trump’s fortunes changed rapidly. He arrived in Scotland broke, with his campaign deep in debt, and his polling numbers an embarrassment. Just days after he departed, the Trump campaign was flooded with money – and Russian bots, previously dedicated to Brexit, began to retarget themselves to Trump."
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Louise Mensch (08/2017): Was Jun 24, 2016 in Scotland 2nd treason meeting?? (Original Post) triron Mar 2019 OP
Lousie Mensch. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #1
I know, but... W_HAMILTON Mar 2019 #2
Yes she's been prescient. Many people on DU laugh at her I think unjustifiably. triron Mar 2019 #4
She's a batshit rightwinger, not excentric Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #6
WaPo was running that story last year. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #5
The WA Post was running the FALSE story in May, when Louise Mensch pnwmom Mar 2019 #7
Speaking of false. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #9
She gets some things wrong. So do the NY Times and the WA Post, as you have ignored above. pnwmom Mar 2019 #10
She gets 99% of it wrong. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #11
She doe not just "throw shit at the wall"! triron Mar 2019 #12
Yes, she does. Lots of it. nt Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #13
+ 1,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! berksdem Mar 2019 #14
#TeamPillowForts...nt SidDithers Mar 2019 #3
He was there during the Brexit vote malaise Mar 2019 #8
Mensch was and is pro Brexit, is a RW Tory ex-MP, a proven liar, and helped start a Rupert Murdoch Celerity Mar 2019 #17
+1 Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #18
I am aware she is pro-Brexit. I take the heatstreet article with a grain of salt. triron Mar 2019 #20
She was also on Matt Tait early on. He just received a document request today. MelissaB Mar 2019 #15
Why are we reading Mensch things from 2017 today? MineralMan Mar 2019 #16
knr triron Mar 2019 #19

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
2. I know, but...
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:14 PM
Mar 2019

...when the national media was running with the story last year that Kushner gained his security clearance appropriately and through the proper channels, Mensch was apparently one that said that was all wrong, and that Trump overruled the intelligence community in order to grant Kushner his security clearance. We only learned just last week that they were wrong and Mensch was right...

triron

(22,002 posts)
4. Yes she's been prescient. Many people on DU laugh at her I think unjustifiably.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:17 PM
Mar 2019

She is somewhat eccentric, that is all.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
5. WaPo was running that story last year.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:26 PM
Mar 2019

Mensch is a charlotan. She’s rarely ever right, and when she is she’s late to the party.

But hey, believe all the bullshit you want.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
7. The WA Post was running the FALSE story in May, when Louise Mensch
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:30 PM
Mar 2019

was retweeting Congressman Don Beyer of Virginia, and saying Beyer was right -- not the NYTimes and the WA Post.

WA Post wrote an incorrect story on May 23, 2018. They'd been fooled by team Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jared-kushner-receives-permanent-security-clearance-ending-uncertainty-over-his-status/2018/05/23/b4a57fae-5eb6-11e8-9ee3-49d6d4814c4c_story.html?utm_term=.b9e2487f1a85

Kushner’s permanent clearance was granted by career White House and intelligence officials after the completion of his FBI background check, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. This person confirmed that Kushner was granted a top-secret clearance, a level he had previously held on an interim basis.

Current and former law enforcement officials said it would be very unusual for someone to get a full security clearance if there were an ongoing criminal investigation that had the potential to result in charges for that person.


The NY Times wrote its own incorrect story on May 23. They were also fooled by team Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance.html


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NYT Politics‏Verified account @nytpolitics

Jared Kushner was granted a permanent security clearance, ending a period of uncertainty about whether he was in peril in the Mueller probe




Louise Mensch knew that the story about Kushner's security clearance meaning that Mueller had cleared him was wrong, and she retweeted Rep. Don Beyer's long thread about why. And she also posted this:





Louise Mensch‏Verified account @LouiseMensch

As to your "not being a Trump fan", that may be, but the idea that because Trump validated his own son-in-law's clearance, that Kushner is somehow in less legal jeopardy, is risible, and @NYTimes suggesting that this is so is also risible.
10:33 AM - 24 May 2018

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
10. She gets some things wrong. So do the NY Times and the WA Post, as you have ignored above.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:35 PM
Mar 2019

She got the story about the Kushner clearance right in May 2018, when the MSM was getting it wrong.





Louise Mensch‏Verified account @LouiseMensch

As to your "not being a Trump fan", that may be, but the idea that because Trump validated his own son-in-law's clearance, that Kushner is somehow in less legal jeopardy, is risible, and @NYTimes suggesting that this is so is also risible.
10:33 AM - 24 May 2018
 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
11. She gets 99% of it wrong.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 04:38 PM
Mar 2019

Throw enough shit at a wall, something will stick.

She’s a failed RW MP and a shitty “chick-lit” author. Not someone who ANYONE would consider trustworthy if she wasn’t talking about Trump. Many other trusthworthy actual journalists out there that we can leave pedlers of bullshit where they belong.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
17. Mensch was and is pro Brexit, is a RW Tory ex-MP, a proven liar, and helped start a Rupert Murdoch
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 06:43 PM
Mar 2019

RW site, Heat Street, where amongst other things she praised multiple Trump appointments. She is a disinfo agent.


Relax! Donald Trump is Appointing Some Truly Great People
Home Politics
By Louise Mensch | 5:06 pm, November 14, 2016


https://web.archive.org/web/20161117082032/https://heatst.com/politics/relax-donald-trump-is-appointing-some-truly-great-people/



These 2 following articles eviscerate any and all credibility she had, especially the first, a massive 9000 word monograph.

Louise Mensch Is More Dangerous than Facebook
How can you say something is illegal when it's in the constitution?


https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/10/youre-not-mad-at-facebook-youre-mad-at-america.html

snip

In this longform exposé, I’m going to do that, but also want to illustrate just how dangerous misinformation is, and how difficult it is, when elements of truth are mixed with misleading or false or incomplete information, to tell the difference between this misinformation and your own patterns of thought. You’ll see the extreme lengths I’ll have to go to in order to do this, especially when the misinformation comes from someone as smart and slick as Mensch. It felt like I ran a marathon.
This is why Russia’s Facebook campaign did so much damage: It gave us Mensch and Cernovich and a raft of acolytes and wannabes clamoring for attention on all sides.

So I’m going to do two things:

1. Show how the Trump campaign could have coordinated an information attack with Russia out in plain sight, using Facebook, with no one knowing.

But in order to get you there, I’m first going to
2. Prove Mensch is and always has been wrong.

Fair warning: This article is fucking long and annoyingly detailed. Please feel free to skip ahead at anytime to the Facebook part (section: “You Hate America”). But there’s something to take away from this, too: I needed to write a 9,000-word article to disprove a 600-word article.

Yes, it’s that bad.

snip



Beware the Kool-Aid: Louise Mensch and the dangers of your enemy’s enemies


In times of stress, disbelief and chronic institutional hypocrisy, many of us will clutch around for community, for forthright voices, for the beacons that might signal us out of the chaos and misery of our new norms. We’ll grab for any kind of escape hatch out of the raft that’s barrelling towards the rapids, for seemingly reliable forces out to uncover the truths that will save us from our woes. For the American left, dealt a dreadful blow by the supposedly impossible election of an idiot who not only represents everything it believes wrong, but who’s arrived either by complete accident or by the sinister design of foreign government (whichever one seems less jarring) — one such attractive ripcord of hope inexplicably appeared on the horizon this year in the shape of a certain Louise Mensch.

As someone well-versed in the ways of Ms. Mensch — in other words, like anyone who has had anything but the scantest interest in progressive politics in the UK over the last few years — I was not a little confused to come across a tweet in March recommending the most inspirational women of Twitter to follow on the topics of authoritarianism, institutional lying and Russian hacking. Strangely, the list included, alongside powerfully informative voices like Brittany Packnett and Sarah Kendzior, the above-mentioned Ms. Mensch. Sarah herself, whose no-nonsense, anthropologically-sound commentary on the rise of Trump and the dangers of his wannabe totalitarianism has been a vital thread in connecting the dots of his views, aims and tactics since long before the election, also re-posted the tweet, simply appending it with the words “I endorse this list.”

I was baffled. Could this be the self-same Louise Mensch who in the last year had called a man visiting a British hospital with his poorly son a “loathsome scumbag” for suggesting staff there were cheering the apparent sacking of the most inept, pro-privatising Tory politician in the history of the National Health Service? The same Mensch who had so ruthlessly pursued notoriety in her own career and on the coat-tails of Rupert Murdoch that she’d flipped from being a romance novelist, to a Conservative member of parliament, to a fevered blogger on all things conspiratorially libertarian, and who at that moment was sitting at eleventh on Newsthump’s ‘Arsehole Premier League’ table, rubbing shoulders with such time-honoured activists of the left as Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage?


What did these insightful American progressives know that I didn’t know? Or, conversely, what was this self-styled ‘resistance’ failing to spot that’s been plain as day for the British left throughout the years Mensch’s rabid, libertarian star has been on the rise, a voice of jeering Conservatism in this new age of digital media?

It turns out that Ms. Mensch has only of late turned her laser-guided gaze of inchoate righteousness on Trump and the trail of suspicious threads leading from his presidential campaign out towards the Kremlin, through Russian banks and nepotistic appointments. So recently, in fact, that she’d not long gone on record in praise of Trump and many of his appointments. In its time of need though, a progressive community looking for the quickest and most damning evidence of wrongdoing — a smoking gun indisputable enough to lift us in one fell swoop out of the current moment of despair, had found an ally in Louise’s newfound rumblings on the nature of American power, her largely coincidental ‘enemy’s enemy’ position an apparent irrelevance, since the courage and investigative brio of her methods must be a vital weapon in the dismantling of Trump’s agenda, a thing surely to be embraced and wielded and fuelled.

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triron

(22,002 posts)
20. I am aware she is pro-Brexit. I take the heatstreet article with a grain of salt.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 12:05 AM
Mar 2019

Mensch left heatstreet in December, 2016. Perhaps she realized she was disiluslioned?

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
15. She was also on Matt Tait early on. He just received a document request today.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 05:22 PM
Mar 2019
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/MattTaitA.pdf




I've watched his account for a while. He was a prolific tweeter, but hasn't tweeted since Jan 26.

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings?lang=en

Remember this article about him?

The Time I Got Recruited to Collude with the Russians

I read the Wall Street Journal’s article yesterday on attempts by a GOP operative to recover missing Hillary Clinton emails with more than usual interest. I was involved in the events that reporter Shane Harris described, and I was an unnamed source for the initial story. What’s more, I was named in, and provided the documents to Harris that formed the basis of, this evening’s follow-up story, which reported that “A longtime Republican activist who led an operation hoping to obtain Hillary Clinton emails from hackers listed senior members of the Trump campaign, including some who now serve as top aides in the White House, in a recruitment document for his effort”:

... snip

A few weeks later, right around the time the DNC emails were dumped by Wikileaks—and curiously, around the same time Trump called for the Russians to get Hillary Clinton’s missing emails—I was contacted out the blue by a man named Peter Smith, who had seen my work going through these emails. Smith implied that he was a well-connected Republican political operative.

Initially, I assumed the query must have been about my work on the DNC hack; after all, few people followed my account prior to the DNC breach, whereas my analysis of the break-in at the DNC had received considerably more coverage. I assumed his query about the “Clinton emails” was therefore a mistake and that he meant instead to talk to me about the emails stolen from the DNC. So I agreed to talk to him, thinking that, whatever my views on then-candidate Trump, if a national campaign wanted an independent non-partisan view on the facts surrounding the case, I should provide it to the best of my ability.

Yet Smith had not contacted me about the DNC hack, but rather about his conviction that Clinton’s private email server had been hacked—in his view almost certainly both by the Russian government and likely by multiple other hackers too—and his desire to ensure that the fruits of those hacks were exposed prior to the election. Over the course of a long phone call, he mentioned that he had been contacted by someone on the “Dark Web” who claimed to have a copy of emails from Secretary Clinton’s private server, and this was why he had contacted me; he wanted me to help validate whether or not the emails were genuine.

More: https://www.lawfareblog.com/time-i-got-recruited-collude-russians
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