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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:56 PM Mar 2019

RBG sends not so subtle message SCOTUS today

, summarizing not 1 but 2 opinions she authored--including 1 in a case heard while she was home recuperating from surgery. She now has produced 4 opinions, more than any other justice this term.




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RBG sends not so subtle message SCOTUS today (Original Post) kpete Mar 2019 OP
RBG is an effing rock star legend in our time. Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #1
But what did those cases decide? Sanity Claws Mar 2019 #2
Description of cases: onenote Mar 2019 #8
The first case is nothing to celebrate... former9thward Mar 2019 #12
I agree Sanity Claws Mar 2019 #15
Doesn't look like it to me either. Ligyron Mar 2019 #20
Not necessarily. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2019 #25
Yes. Princess Turandot Mar 2019 #28
Thanks! Pacifist Patriot Mar 2019 #30
I'm thinking this is for funding the pension fund (see my note below) not just 'income tax' (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #32
This also doesn't sound like 'regular taxes' ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #31
The case goes against long term labor law. former9thward Mar 2019 #34
RBG : churning out opinions jxla Mar 2019 #9
Well that tells us a lot.... GemDigger Mar 2019 #3
Won't excuse risking everything to hold on a few extras years. zaj Mar 2019 #4
Oh please. FBaggins Mar 2019 #6
Hyperbole, true. zaj Mar 2019 #7
mcturtle would have allowed obama to replace her? not so sure about that. unblock Mar 2019 #13
Democrats controlled the Senate for six of Obama's eight years FBaggins Mar 2019 #21
time will tell. unblock Mar 2019 #22
Could a simple majority of senators approve a SC justice pick? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #23
Yes FBaggins Mar 2019 #24
this is bull - "worst justice ever." Can she help it if she dies or is too ill? CharleyDog Mar 2019 #10
Agreed, that was hyperbole zaj Mar 2019 #11
Bull. Voters failed her in 2010 and again in 2016, she didn't fail us. Nt lostnfound Mar 2019 #14
+1 DesertRat Mar 2019 #18
+1 geardaddy Mar 2019 #19
WTF? nini Mar 2019 #16
She has given US a lifetime of service. saidsimplesimon Mar 2019 #5
Bless her. She's doing everything possible to hang in there until at least 2021. Totally Tunsie Mar 2019 #17
OMG THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zoonart Mar 2019 #26
+1000000 Pachamama Mar 2019 #29
It is my hope... SpankMe Mar 2019 #27
RGB RULES! Nitram Mar 2019 #33

onenote

(42,700 posts)
8. Description of cases:
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:24 PM
Mar 2019

One of the cases was a 7-2 decision (with Gorsuch and Thomas) dissenting, in which the majority held that the payment by a railroad to an employee who lost working time due to an on the job injury is taxable compensation under the relevant statute. Gorsuch and Thomas would have held the payments are compensation for the injury not payment for lost working time.

The other case was one of two Copyright Act cases decided by unanimous decisions, one written by Ginsburg and one by Kavanaugh. The first one (Ginsburg writing) held that a plaintiff can bring an infringement action once the Copyright Office registers the relevant copyright and the action can relate back to infringements alleged to have occurred before registration. The second one (Kavanaugh writing) decided what "costs" may be recovered in a copyright infringement lawsuit.

Sanity Claws

(21,847 posts)
15. I agree
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:47 PM
Mar 2019

The change now makes the payment taxable as income. Compensation for a personal injury is not taxable as income.

Ligyron

(7,629 posts)
20. Doesn't look like it to me either.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:13 PM
Mar 2019

But shoot, I often have a hard time following the convoluted legal logic involved - especially in technical cases.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
25. Not necessarily.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:52 AM
Mar 2019

In my job, I have had to deal with just these types of issues. There is a reasonable distinction between compensation for an injury (for coverage of medical bills, pain & suffering, etc.) and compensation for the time the employee is unable to work because of the injury. The former should not be taxable as income, but the latter should.

Compensation for lost work time due to an injury is essentially the same thing as being paid for the time you're home fighting the flu. i.e. PTO, sick time, whatever your company calls it. And that is taxable income. Am I correct that this was the issue for this case?

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
28. Yes.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 11:32 AM
Mar 2019

From the opinion's syllabus:

Michael Loos sued petitioner BNSF Railway Company under the Federal Employers' Liability Act (FELA) for injuries he received while working at BNSF's railyard. A jury awarded him $126,212.78, ascribing $30,000 of that amount to wages lost during the time Loos was unable to work. BNSF asserted that the lost wages constituted "compensation" taxable under the Railroad Retirement Tax Act (RRTA) and asked to withhold $3,765 of the $30,000 to cover Loos's share of the RRTA taxes. The District Court and the Eighth Circuit rejected the requested offset, holding that an award of damages compensating an injured railroad worker for lost wages is not taxable under the RRTA. Held: A railroad's payment to an employee for working time lost due to an on-the-job injury is taxable "compensation" under the RRTA. Pp. 2-14.

https://casetext.com/case/bnsf-r-co-v-loos
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
31. This also doesn't sound like 'regular taxes' ...
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 01:05 PM
Mar 2019

"Railroad Retirement Tax Act (RRTA) and asked to withhold $3,765 of the $30,000 to cover Loos's share of the RRTA taxes"

Sounds like this is something more like Social Security taxes, i.e. not your regular paycheck deduction for income tax.

Which makes even more sense. The pension fund needs ... funding, still.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
34. The case goes against long term labor law.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 06:49 PM
Mar 2019

The law (the the statutes governing the RR industry) says only services shall be taxed. The plaintiff in this case provided no services to the RR during his time off work. The award was made because of negligence by the RR. The employee is being taxed because of negligence by the RR.

jxla

(201 posts)
9. RBG : churning out opinions
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:25 PM
Mar 2019

@Scotus
Mar 4
More
#RBG kicks it into high gear with a recovery prescription: Plenty of opinions https://apnews.com/a3de2762a73b45848befd231169ee4af
Ginsburg’s recovery prescription: Plenty of opinions
By MARK SHERMAN


Eleven days before her 86th birthday, Ginsburg was in fine form as she announced two of the court’s three opinions on Monday. One of those was for a case argued in January, when Ginsburg was absent from the court while she recovered from the December surgery.

Last month, on her second day back, Ginsburg wrote the court’s opinion in a case that could limit authorities’ ability to seize property from criminal suspects.


Her first opinion on Monday, in a 7-2 vote, sided with a railroad in a dispute with a worker over lost wages following an injury. In the case from January, Ginsburg wrote a unanimous opinion resolving a case about when a party can sue for copyright infringement.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
4. Won't excuse risking everything to hold on a few extras years.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:50 PM
Mar 2019

She's amazing, and yet still could go down as the worst Justice ever if she gives Trump another appointment and crushes the balance of the court.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
6. Oh please.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:04 PM
Mar 2019

I'm not a fan of her mistaken decision not to retire when Obama could have replaced her... but this would hardly make her the "worst justice ever".

You might, for instance, consider the justices who didn't need to be replaced in order to impact that balance (like - all five of the current majority)?

unblock

(52,205 posts)
13. mcturtle would have allowed obama to replace her? not so sure about that.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:40 PM
Mar 2019

i remember being a bit annoyed, too, at the time when the window passed for her to retire under obama.

but i'm starting to think hanging on was a genius move on rbg's part.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
21. Democrats controlled the Senate for six of Obama's eight years
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:30 PM
Mar 2019

She has to make it through Trump’s reign - which is no sure thing - before she qualifies as lucky... genius is a stretch.

unblock

(52,205 posts)
22. time will tell.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 06:41 PM
Mar 2019

personally, i'm pretty optimistic about our chances in 2020, and i don't think hanging on for two years is a major stretch for her.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
23. Could a simple majority of senators approve a SC justice pick?
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:27 PM
Mar 2019

I think it took 60 senators until the Trump/McDonnell senate changed the rule on filibuster.

So, while the Democrats had the majority in the senate, the Republicans held up many things with their filibuster.

FBaggins

(26,731 posts)
24. Yes
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:31 AM
Mar 2019

Reid changed the rule for all other judges and made clear that he would do the same for SC appointments if republicans tried to filibuster one.

Moreover, we had 59 seats for quite some time. There’s no way would have been able to sustain a filibuster of a SC justice.

nini

(16,672 posts)
16. WTF?
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:50 PM
Mar 2019

it's not her fault that fucktard has the presidency and in the position to appoint another justice.

And what reason would it be her fault? That she had an illness? Do we really control that?


God damn this post pisses me off and I'll shut up before I get banned.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
5. She has given US a lifetime of service.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 04:53 PM
Mar 2019

Brava Justice Ginsburg, a lifetime protector for the Rule of Law, in service to her country and fellow Americans.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
17. Bless her. She's doing everything possible to hang in there until at least 2021.
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:54 PM
Mar 2019

If there is a God, he'll keep RBG under his care for a long time to come.

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