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US Interfered in Elections of at Least 85 Countries Worldwide Since 1945 (Original Post) niyad Mar 2019 OP
Wow, no wonder why so many hate us Polybius Mar 2019 #1
Americans would be very surprised how many people malaise Mar 2019 #2
the list was only through 2000. niyad Mar 2019 #3
I need to check the year Chavez introduced taxes on their oil malaise Mar 2019 #5
You will never find this info on Fake Noise or Wellstone ruled Mar 2019 #8
Actually you won't find it on network news malaise Mar 2019 #10
Corporate News will never go there. Wellstone ruled Mar 2019 #15
it is endlessly disappointing to me how clueless so many are about what the US government niyad Mar 2019 #13
You nailed it, Wellstone ruled Mar 2019 #16
no wonder the pukes want to shut down the internet. niyad Mar 2019 #18
This source is likely connected to either RW conspiracy nuts or Russia karynnj Mar 2019 #28
What's this one? malaise Mar 2019 #46
I was absolutely not saying the US never did anything wrong karynnj Mar 2019 #47
Even if people are ignorant by choice it comes back to bite everyone malaise Mar 2019 #21
sadly, you are quite correct. niyad Mar 2019 #22
K&R Thanks for emphasizing that point. alwaysinasnit Mar 2019 #4
you are most welcome. niyad Mar 2019 #14
Shrub's administration volstork Mar 2019 #6
+1 FakeNoose Mar 2019 #26
Thank you! shanny Mar 2019 #7
well, naturally. US knows best!! niyad Mar 2019 #9
yes, we help (ahem) everyone. shanny Mar 2019 #12
True, it's illegal here for people to accept help from other countries or to allow another country uponit7771 Mar 2019 #11
what exactly is the point the OP is trying to make? onenote Mar 2019 #17
information, plain and simple. niyad Mar 2019 #20
Bullshit. MicaelS Mar 2019 #44
Meddling? lol Triloon Mar 2019 #19
No equivalencies were made. You merely inferred them. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #27
Whaddaya mean "merely"? Triloon Mar 2019 #39
Remember Tom Lehrer's song from 54 years ago: DFW Mar 2019 #23
thank you for Tom!! niyad Mar 2019 #24
Lehrer was a genius political commentator, one of TFT's inspirers. DFW Mar 2019 #33
do I remember correctly that Tom said he was retiring from political satire when kissinger niyad Mar 2019 #35
I wouldn't know about that, but it sounds like him DFW Mar 2019 #40
Yeah flotsam Mar 2019 #25
Globalresearch.ca is not a source that should be trusted. karynnj Mar 2019 #29
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ moondust Mar 2019 #32
was never allowed back in the day. mopinko Mar 2019 #34
if any country on that list is incorrect, could you please indicate? niyad Mar 2019 #36
Not my job. Do you accept, as stated, that Russian interference is a deep state lie? karynnj Mar 2019 #38
They seem legit to me. Dr. Strange Mar 2019 #41
You do know they were linking to a scholar study gabeana Mar 2019 #43
The source is global research which is reporting the study BUT adding their own comments about 2016 karynnj Mar 2019 #45
I dont know them, I believe you about them gabeana Mar 2019 #48
HA! We've been meddling in elections since WAY before 1945. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #30
this country's history is soaked in blood and interference. niyad Mar 2019 #31
Mark Twain on the US in the Philippines malaise Mar 2019 #37
Of Course We Did. And More Than Once The Crooked Vogon_Glory Mar 2019 #42

malaise

(268,980 posts)
2. Americans would be very surprised how many people
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:17 PM
Mar 2019

outside of the US find the Russian interference payback for US meddling in elections across the world - and the violence and deaths associated with the interfence.

That said it's not just the US - all the Western powers have been involved - just ask Venezuela , the latest victim of imperialism.

Interesting that Venezuela is not on the list

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. You will never find this info on Fake Noise or
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:35 PM
Mar 2019

the WSJ or here about it on any Sinclair Media outlet.

Some of us have been aware of these interference's for decades and others were sleeping.

Friends and Relatives whom fled Eastern Eourpe have always reminded me of our meddling and as you post,we are seeing payback.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
10. Actually you won't find it on network news
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:40 PM
Mar 2019

or other Cable Channels either. When it comes to US foreign policy, they are all state TV.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
15. Corporate News will never go there.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:43 PM
Mar 2019

My experience with this subject matter,these stories came from the print media and we know what has happened to that Industry.

niyad

(113,293 posts)
13. it is endlessly disappointing to me how clueless so many are about what the US government
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:42 PM
Mar 2019

actually does around the world.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. You nailed it,
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:45 PM
Mar 2019

sad when the European Press is our only real source of real time news about our Countries transgressions.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
28. This source is likely connected to either RW conspiracy nuts or Russia
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:10 PM
Mar 2019

From the link: Comment: That’s why it was cunningly smart of the US deep state to take this tack when it became apparent to them this time last year that Trump was going to win and their globalist agenda was going to take a hit: Russia (the USSR) has a track record of doing this, so it’s sort of plausible-ish that Putin has revived the practice (he hasn’t – he doesn’t need to).

The US HAS been involved in many elections, but this is not a source that should be trusted.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
46. What's this one?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 06:28 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1wRSS9dq0V6b9lj30jBM7LF/us-interference-in-uk-politics
<snip>
Alas, it was not about life as it's lived in Blackpool 51 weeks in the year. The headline was, for a brief moment, a puzzle. 'US Interference Shaping Up as British Issue'. Sure enough, Blackpool had made the foreign headlines for the only reason it ever does – the Labour Party was holding its annual conference there and I gathered that the enemy this time – for a day or two, anyway – was not so much Mrs Thatcher as Mr Caspar Weinberger, the American Secretary of Defense. What was he doing at Blackpool?

He wasn't. May I say, for listeners in Mexico or the New Zealand Alps, that the previous weekend, Mr Weinberger, being interviewed by the BBC in Washington, expressed what is certainly the administration position that the British Labour Party's commitment to remove American nuclear weapons, including cruise missiles, would severely weaken the Anglo-American alliance and could, quote, 'strengthen isolationist tendencies in American public opinion'.

Promptly, or rather before the interview was broadcast, my old paper, which had received a text of the taped interview, wrote that it amounted to a pre-emptive strike against the election of a Labour government. Then up spoke the old defence horse, Mr Denis Healey, and accused Mr Weinberger of being in open collusion with the Conservative party to prevent Labour winning the election.

Now who should show up at Blackpool but the American ambassador! Nothing odd or sinister in that, it's quite normal for American ambassadors to attend the annual political party conferences, acting, I ought to say, as interested observers, by no means intending to run interference. But then the ambassador was interviewed on television and spoke nothing but the truth, that Secretary Weinberger does, indeed, speak for the Reagan administration.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
47. I was absolutely not saying the US never did anything wrong
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 06:41 PM
Mar 2019

What I said was that the link, which included comments challenging that Russia was involved in 2016 from a website that has been a source of pro Russian propaganda.

It may well be that the study is valid and being used by the site -- which added its own content with regards to 2016 and to suggest that Russia has been less likely to interfere.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
21. Even if people are ignorant by choice it comes back to bite everyone
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:58 PM
Mar 2019

The truth is that some of the most vile people across the planet were given citizenship, green cards and visas for assisting the US in overthrowing their own governments for US interests. That's the origin of the some of cocaine dons and gun runners from Latin America and Jamaica.
These are the criminals who reeked havoc across the US while the poor farm workers and service workers are the ones who are the real victims.

volstork

(5,400 posts)
6. Shrub's administration
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:33 PM
Mar 2019

pulled back the curtain once and for all, showing that "America Doesn't Do Things Like That" was, and always has been a big fat lie. It was relatively hidden until then, but not anymore.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
11. True, it's illegal here for people to accept help from other countries or to allow another country
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:41 PM
Mar 2019

... to help a campaign iinm.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
17. what exactly is the point the OP is trying to make?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:48 PM
Mar 2019

That we don't have the standing to complain when countries meddle in our election?

No. We shouldn't meddle in other countries' elections.

Triloon

(506 posts)
19. Meddling? lol
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:50 PM
Mar 2019

There's a ton of false equivalence here, as is to be expected from Global Research. Has USA tried to influence foreign elections? Sure, nothing wrong with that. But there's a big difference between Influence and Sabotage. Influence is not warfare. Is USA innocent of all wrongdoing? Hell no. But that forgives the GOP, Russia, and the mob nothing at all. Setting up a US Prez for crippling the entire western alliance, breaking US democracy, and knitting together a worldwide crime syndicate ala Russian Capitalism is something most decent americans would disapprove of, regardless of what the anti-globalists at Global Research theorize.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. No equivalencies were made. You merely inferred them.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:09 PM
Mar 2019

Data was given lacking any editorial or even analysis, so I'm not certain who exactly you're arguing against.

Triloon

(506 posts)
39. Whaddaya mean "merely"?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:45 PM
Mar 2019

in·fer·ence
Dictionary result for inference
/ˈinf(ə rəns/
noun
a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

I'm arguing against the whole anti-globalist bunch, who don't seem to realize that anti-globalism is - merely - Nationalism. Nativism. Chauvinism. Racism. No thanks.

And there was plenty of editorial content in that article, for instance - "Comment: If we add those in, we’re looking at the entire Earth having suffered from US meddling."

enough of my opinion.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
23. Remember Tom Lehrer's song from 54 years ago:
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:01 PM
Mar 2019

They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
'till somebody we like can be elected!

DFW

(54,370 posts)
33. Lehrer was a genius political commentator, one of TFT's inspirers.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:34 PM
Mar 2019

If you visit American city,
You will find it very pretty.
Just two things of which you must beware:
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air!

Pollution, pollution!
They got smog and sewage and mud.
Turn on your tap
And get hot and cold running crud!

See the halibuts and the sturgeons
Being wiped out by detergeons.
Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly,
But they don't last long if they try.

Pollution, pollution!
You can use the latest toothpaste,
And then rinse your mouth
With industrial waste.

Just go out for a breath of air
And you'll be ready for Medicare.
The city streets are really quite a thrill—
If the hoods don't get you, the monoxide will.

Pollution, pollution!
Wear a gas mask and a veil.
Then you can breathe,
Long as you don't inhale!

Lots of things there that you can drink,
But stay away from the kitchen sink!
The breakfast garbage that you throw into the Bay*
They drink at lunch in San José.

So go to the city,
See the crazy people there.
Like lambs to the slaughter,
They're drinking the water
And breathing (cough) the air!

*The version on the record was recorded live in San Francisco. Lehrer commented at the time that other rhymes were conceivable for other locations, such as NY/NJ with Troy/Perth Amboy

niyad

(113,293 posts)
35. do I remember correctly that Tom said he was retiring from political satire when kissinger
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:38 PM
Mar 2019

won the nobel peace prize?

thank you for sharing that piece!!

DFW

(54,370 posts)
40. I wouldn't know about that, but it sounds like him
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:47 PM
Mar 2019

Kissinger receiving the Nobel Peace Prize probably came across to Tom Lehrer as a bigger piece of satire than anything he thought he could come with himself.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
29. Globalresearch.ca is not a source that should be trusted.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:16 PM
Mar 2019

There are plenty of legit sources that have documented many interferences, but do we really believe people speaking of the DEEP STATE and saying Putin did not interfere in 2016?????

From the link:
Comment: That’s why it was cunningly smart of the US deep state to take this tack when it became apparent to them this time last year that Trump was going to win and their globalist agenda was going to take a hit: Russia (the USSR) has a track record of doing this, so it’s sort of plausible-ish that Putin has revived the practice (he hasn’t – he doesn’t need to).

From wikipedia, Globalresearch.ca, is a Canadian conspiracy theory website founded by Michel Chossudovsky. Here is what is said of Michel Chossudovsky - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky His organization has spread Russian propaganda.

mopinko

(70,099 posts)
34. was never allowed back in the day.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:36 PM
Mar 2019

this shit would have been taken down in a hot minute under the mod system.

this may be a rule that needs a tweak.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
38. Not my job. Do you accept, as stated, that Russian interference is a deep state lie?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:44 PM
Mar 2019

I noted there are legitimate sources on US interference in elections and even coups My point is this is from a Russian propaganda spewing conspiracy site. It is not a valid source.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
43. You do know they were linking to a scholar study
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:28 PM
Mar 2019

Never even heard of them before seeing this post but I looked up the author of the study
He seems pretty legit
[link:https://www.dovhlevin.com/|

because the OP was not about Global Research, the study that documented the History of U.S. interference in other countries elections from 1946 - 2000.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
45. The source is global research which is reporting the study BUT adding their own comments about 2016
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:19 PM
Mar 2019

I have heard of them and seen their pro Russia posts for several years. DU used to take them down.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
48. I dont know them, I believe you about them
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:59 PM
Mar 2019

But nevertheless intresting academic study that really is not surprising

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
30. HA! We've been meddling in elections since WAY before 1945.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:17 PM
Mar 2019

We helped to create the country of Panama when it "broke away" from Columbia when we wanted to build the Panama Canal. We had troops in Honduras in the 1910's to "support" United Fruit company and were interfering in Central American and Mexican affairs since the late 1800's.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
37. Mark Twain on the US in the Philippines
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:40 PM
Mar 2019

We forget at our peril. Cuba in the 19th century and ever since.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
42. Of Course We Did. And More Than Once The Crooked
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:54 PM
Mar 2019

politicians in those countries were exposed, deposed, and prosecuted.

That still doesn’t excuse Donnie and the Republican Party for taking Russian dark money and cyber-assistance and becoming the assets of an unfriendly foreign power.

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