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America has a long history of meddling in the elections of foreign countries, new research shows
https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-interfered-in-elections-of-at-least-85-countries-worldwide-since-1945/5601481
Polybius
(15,398 posts)We've been horrible.
malaise
(268,980 posts)outside of the US find the Russian interference payback for US meddling in elections across the world - and the violence and deaths associated with the interfence.
That said it's not just the US - all the Western powers have been involved - just ask Venezuela , the latest victim of imperialism.
Interesting that Venezuela is not on the list
niyad
(113,293 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)The sabotage began then.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)the WSJ or here about it on any Sinclair Media outlet.
Some of us have been aware of these interference's for decades and others were sleeping.
Friends and Relatives whom fled Eastern Eourpe have always reminded me of our meddling and as you post,we are seeing payback.
malaise
(268,980 posts)or other Cable Channels either. When it comes to US foreign policy, they are all state TV.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)My experience with this subject matter,these stories came from the print media and we know what has happened to that Industry.
niyad
(113,293 posts)actually does around the world.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)sad when the European Press is our only real source of real time news about our Countries transgressions.
niyad
(113,293 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)From the link: Comment: Thats why it was cunningly smart of the US deep state to take this tack when it became apparent to them this time last year that Trump was going to win and their globalist agenda was going to take a hit: Russia (the USSR) has a track record of doing this, so its sort of plausible-ish that Putin has revived the practice (he hasnt he doesnt need to).
The US HAS been involved in many elections, but this is not a source that should be trusted.
malaise
(268,980 posts)<snip>
Alas, it was not about life as it's lived in Blackpool 51 weeks in the year. The headline was, for a brief moment, a puzzle. 'US Interference Shaping Up as British Issue'. Sure enough, Blackpool had made the foreign headlines for the only reason it ever does the Labour Party was holding its annual conference there and I gathered that the enemy this time for a day or two, anyway was not so much Mrs Thatcher as Mr Caspar Weinberger, the American Secretary of Defense. What was he doing at Blackpool?
He wasn't. May I say, for listeners in Mexico or the New Zealand Alps, that the previous weekend, Mr Weinberger, being interviewed by the BBC in Washington, expressed what is certainly the administration position that the British Labour Party's commitment to remove American nuclear weapons, including cruise missiles, would severely weaken the Anglo-American alliance and could, quote, 'strengthen isolationist tendencies in American public opinion'.
Promptly, or rather before the interview was broadcast, my old paper, which had received a text of the taped interview, wrote that it amounted to a pre-emptive strike against the election of a Labour government. Then up spoke the old defence horse, Mr Denis Healey, and accused Mr Weinberger of being in open collusion with the Conservative party to prevent Labour winning the election.
Now who should show up at Blackpool but the American ambassador! Nothing odd or sinister in that, it's quite normal for American ambassadors to attend the annual political party conferences, acting, I ought to say, as interested observers, by no means intending to run interference. But then the ambassador was interviewed on television and spoke nothing but the truth, that Secretary Weinberger does, indeed, speak for the Reagan administration.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)What I said was that the link, which included comments challenging that Russia was involved in 2016 from a website that has been a source of pro Russian propaganda.
It may well be that the study is valid and being used by the site -- which added its own content with regards to 2016 and to suggest that Russia has been less likely to interfere.
malaise
(268,980 posts)The truth is that some of the most vile people across the planet were given citizenship, green cards and visas for assisting the US in overthrowing their own governments for US interests. That's the origin of the some of cocaine dons and gun runners from Latin America and Jamaica.
These are the criminals who reeked havoc across the US while the poor farm workers and service workers are the ones who are the real victims.
niyad
(113,293 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,066 posts)niyad
(113,293 posts)volstork
(5,400 posts)pulled back the curtain once and for all, showing that "America Doesn't Do Things Like That" was, and always has been a big fat lie. It was relatively hidden until then, but not anymore.
shanny
(6,709 posts)All for their greater good, of course.
niyad
(113,293 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... to help a campaign iinm.
onenote
(42,700 posts)That we don't have the standing to complain when countries meddle in our election?
No. We shouldn't meddle in other countries' elections.
niyad
(113,293 posts)It's "Whataboutism" on a global scale.
Triloon
(506 posts)There's a ton of false equivalence here, as is to be expected from Global Research. Has USA tried to influence foreign elections? Sure, nothing wrong with that. But there's a big difference between Influence and Sabotage. Influence is not warfare. Is USA innocent of all wrongdoing? Hell no. But that forgives the GOP, Russia, and the mob nothing at all. Setting up a US Prez for crippling the entire western alliance, breaking US democracy, and knitting together a worldwide crime syndicate ala Russian Capitalism is something most decent americans would disapprove of, regardless of what the anti-globalists at Global Research theorize.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Data was given lacking any editorial or even analysis, so I'm not certain who exactly you're arguing against.
Triloon
(506 posts)in·fer·ence
Dictionary result for inference
/ˈinf(ə rəns/
noun
a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.
I'm arguing against the whole anti-globalist bunch, who don't seem to realize that anti-globalism is - merely - Nationalism. Nativism. Chauvinism. Racism. No thanks.
And there was plenty of editorial content in that article, for instance - "Comment: If we add those in, were looking at the entire Earth having suffered from US meddling."
enough of my opinion.
DFW
(54,370 posts)They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
'till somebody we like can be elected!
niyad
(113,293 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)If you visit American city,
You will find it very pretty.
Just two things of which you must beware:
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air!
Pollution, pollution!
They got smog and sewage and mud.
Turn on your tap
And get hot and cold running crud!
See the halibuts and the sturgeons
Being wiped out by detergeons.
Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly,
But they don't last long if they try.
Pollution, pollution!
You can use the latest toothpaste,
And then rinse your mouth
With industrial waste.
Just go out for a breath of air
And you'll be ready for Medicare.
The city streets are really quite a thrill
If the hoods don't get you, the monoxide will.
Pollution, pollution!
Wear a gas mask and a veil.
Then you can breathe,
Long as you don't inhale!
Lots of things there that you can drink,
But stay away from the kitchen sink!
The breakfast garbage that you throw into the Bay*
They drink at lunch in San José.
So go to the city,
See the crazy people there.
Like lambs to the slaughter,
They're drinking the water
And breathing (cough) the air!
*The version on the record was recorded live in San Francisco. Lehrer commented at the time that other rhymes were conceivable for other locations, such as NY/NJ with Troy/Perth Amboy
niyad
(113,293 posts)won the nobel peace prize?
thank you for sharing that piece!!
DFW
(54,370 posts)Kissinger receiving the Nobel Peace Prize probably came across to Tom Lehrer as a bigger piece of satire than anything he thought he could come with himself.
But they were all shitholes...
Sarcasm smilely here X
karynnj
(59,503 posts)There are plenty of legit sources that have documented many interferences, but do we really believe people speaking of the DEEP STATE and saying Putin did not interfere in 2016?????
From the link:
Comment: Thats why it was cunningly smart of the US deep state to take this tack when it became apparent to them this time last year that Trump was going to win and their globalist agenda was going to take a hit: Russia (the USSR) has a track record of doing this, so its sort of plausible-ish that Putin has revived the practice (he hasnt he doesnt need to).
From wikipedia, Globalresearch.ca, is a Canadian conspiracy theory website founded by Michel Chossudovsky. Here is what is said of Michel Chossudovsky - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky His organization has spread Russian propaganda.
moondust
(19,979 posts)Thank you.
mopinko
(70,099 posts)this shit would have been taken down in a hot minute under the mod system.
this may be a rule that needs a tweak.
niyad
(113,293 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)I noted there are legitimate sources on US interference in elections and even coups My point is this is from a Russian propaganda spewing conspiracy site. It is not a valid source.
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)Hillary Clinton: If Im President, We Will Attack Iran We Would be Able to Totally Obliterate Them.
Wikileaks Says They Have 1,700 Emails Proving Hillary Clinton Knew about U.S. Military Weapons Shipments to Al Qaeda and ISIS
Okay, maybe not.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)Never even heard of them before seeing this post but I looked up the author of the study
He seems pretty legit
[link:https://www.dovhlevin.com/|
because the OP was not about Global Research, the study that documented the History of U.S. interference in other countries elections from 1946 - 2000.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)I have heard of them and seen their pro Russia posts for several years. DU used to take them down.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)But nevertheless intresting academic study that really is not surprising
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)We helped to create the country of Panama when it "broke away" from Columbia when we wanted to build the Panama Canal. We had troops in Honduras in the 1910's to "support" United Fruit company and were interfering in Central American and Mexican affairs since the late 1800's.
niyad
(113,293 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)We forget at our peril. Cuba in the 19th century and ever since.
Vogon_Glory
(9,117 posts)politicians in those countries were exposed, deposed, and prosecuted.
That still doesnt excuse Donnie and the Republican Party for taking Russian dark money and cyber-assistance and becoming the assets of an unfriendly foreign power.