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Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:47 PM

 

I disagree with this DNC move

Tell me why I should agree with this.
This is about televising not hosting.



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Reply I disagree with this DNC move (Original post)
SHRED Mar 2019 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #1
LonePirate Mar 2019 #2
elleng Mar 2019 #3
shanny Mar 2019 #8
elleng Mar 2019 #29
rockfordfile Mar 2019 #41
elleng Mar 2019 #48
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #52
Moostache Mar 2019 #4
Hokie Mar 2019 #15
zipplewrath Mar 2019 #5
FakeNoose Mar 2019 #19
SHRED Mar 2019 #20
elfin Mar 2019 #6
rockfordfile Mar 2019 #42
Autumn Mar 2019 #7
wishstar Mar 2019 #9
TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #10
DFW Mar 2019 #11
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #22
FakeNoose Mar 2019 #12
C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #13
madville Mar 2019 #40
rockfordfile Mar 2019 #43
tazkcmo Mar 2019 #56
SunSeeker Mar 2019 #14
sarcasmo Mar 2019 #16
Liberty Belle Mar 2019 #17
unblock Mar 2019 #18
scheming daemons Mar 2019 #21
scheming daemons Mar 2019 #23
RKP5637 Mar 2019 #26
RKP5637 Mar 2019 #24
Hoyt Mar 2019 #25
atreides1 Mar 2019 #32
Hoyt Mar 2019 #39
Andy823 Mar 2019 #27
scheming daemons Mar 2019 #28
world wide wally Mar 2019 #30
CaptainTruth Mar 2019 #31
SHRED Mar 2019 #44
bitterross Mar 2019 #33
msongs Mar 2019 #34
geralmar Mar 2019 #35
pwb Mar 2019 #36
Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #37
stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #38
Liberal In Texas Mar 2019 #45
rockfordfile Mar 2019 #46
gratuitous Mar 2019 #47
WeekiWater Mar 2019 #49
uponit7771 Mar 2019 #50
Baltimike Mar 2019 #51
walkingman Mar 2019 #53
spanone Mar 2019 #54
sacto95834 Mar 2019 #55
pwb Mar 2019 #57
Gothmog Mar 2019 #58

Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:50 PM

1. Fox viewers probably wouldn't be watching anyhow.

And regardless, Fox's "commentary" would be nothing but negative, featuring a lot of red-scare crap about socialism. I don't see a problem with shutting them out; they shouldn't be rewarded for acting as Trump's version of Pravda.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:50 PM

2. Fox will ask WH approved questions to divide and sabotage Dems, not to inform the public.

There is nothing good to come from Fox hosting a debate of Democratic primary contenders.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:51 PM

3. I agree, dumb move.

In addition to needing all eyes and ears, anything that tends to aggravate ANY in the voting populace (like calling people idiots/deplorables) serves no positive goal.

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:53 PM

8. Smart move. Fox is propaganda, not a news outlet.

 

They need to be marginalized/de-legitimized. Obama did it for a while; I wish he had continued.

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Response to shanny (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:09 PM

29. FOX should be de-legitimized, but not it's audience.

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Response to elleng (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:33 PM

41. It's audience are a bunch of un-American racist, bigots and fascists.

The audience is no different than the propaganda. They're in lock step.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:46 PM

48. If we keep up with that talk not only will every election be a struggle,

but our day to day lives will become unliveable.

We CANNOT SURVIVE if we talk of many U.S. citizens as un-American racist, bigots and fascists. WE must not succumb to the propaganda.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:59 PM

52. So true!! F&#$ them!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:51 PM

4. Fox is propaganda, pure and simple.

Were you tied in knots that Pravda did not provide much coverage to the party in the 80's?
Would you prefer to see Fox News graphics lying to the audience during a debate to steer talking points for Trump?

As long as Fox is state-run TV, the Democratic Party is wise to avoid them 100% of the time.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:56 PM

15. My thoughts exactly

Fox News isn't in the news business.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:51 PM

5. Rigged setting

It would be a rigged setting. Any hard core Fox watcher isn't going to be swayed. Anyone else will be just as likely to tune into PBS to watch a debate if they want to see it.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:00 PM

19. That would happen if Fox hosted the debate

... but the way I'm reading this, Faux won't be allowed to televise any debate hosted by another news outlet. (?) I guess it means they couldn't use clips for discussion on their news shows, if I'm reading this correctly.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:02 PM

20. That's how I read it also

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:52 PM

6. Disagree as well

They need to see actual smart people of good character debating real issues with practical solutions to entrenched problems. Fantasy TV for them and possible pickup votes by us.

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Response to elfin (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:35 PM

42. 2019. If they are still watching that un-American crap, then it's their fault

The traitor in the White House is their guy.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:53 PM

7. They don't need to let them moderate but it's dumb to hide what our side has to say.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:53 PM

9. DNC doesn't want Fox to be hosting debates where we all have to watch on Fox in order to view

Tom Perez seems to be explaining that their reasoning is that they do not want to promote Fox by allowing them exclusive hosting rights to any of the debates because of their blatantly pro-Trump bias.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:54 PM

10. You Can't trust that Fox wouldn't try to undermine the strongest/leading candidate

Or the candidate they most fear. It's time to be done with legitimizing Fox News.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:55 PM

11. The running commentary would be a contant droning negative

Every single statement made by a Democrat would be placed in the worst possible light, probably misquoted, and the the misquote commented on as if it had been what the candidate really said. They are not only capable of this, they are trained to do this. They will try to destroy any and all Democrats participating, giving the Democrats with the widest appeal the worst commentary, and the most divisive ones the most favorable commentary.

Why make it easy for them?

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:03 PM

22. Exactly. There's no way a Fox-hosted debate would be anything but Trump propaganda.

They would place a negative spin on all aspects of it just to feed more red meat to their base - and there would be a lot of questions and commentary about "socialism," in a way that shows clearly that they and their viewers haven't the faintest idea what socialism really is.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:55 PM

12. Did Faux News televise any Democratic debates in previous years?

Were there problems before? I wouldn't know, since I never watch that channel.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:56 PM

13. They got caught feeding Trump questions in advance

They certainly should not host any debates... they can broadcast all they want.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:33 PM

40. And CNN gave Clinton the questions during the 2016 primary

I don't think they should be afraid of a news network, it's free time in front of a chunk of their regular viewers.

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Response to madville (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:36 PM

43. Fox News isn't News. Never

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 06:01 PM

56. Exactly.

Rupert even said it's entertainment not news.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:56 PM

14. Fox can't be trusted to fairly conduct debates. It is an arm of the GOP.

Their questions will be loaded and unfair.


And we sure as hell shouldn't let them do the general election debates. Word is Fox News gave Trump debate questions in advance.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017534307

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:57 PM

16. Fox is propaganda.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:57 PM

17. Here's how to handled rigged questions in a debate:

Answer the dumb question in a sentence, then say, "I'm surpirsed you haven't asked about (X), a topic that's on the mind of so many voters. Here's how I would address that.....

For instance, "Why do you support socialism?"

"The V.A. system , Medicare and social security are socialist. I support programs to benefit all Americans, but not a government takeover of corporations, if that's the concern. I noticed you haven't asked about healthcare, the number one issue on many voters' minds. I support Medicare for All to assure that every American has access to healthcare. Every other industrialized nation on earth provides healthcare as a right, and it's shameful that in the only ciivilized nation on earth, people are dying because they can't afford obscenely high costs for insulin, chemotherpy, or other live-saving treatments."

Boom.

Or, "How can you support baby-killing legislation?"

I believe abortion should be legal but rare, with programs to make birth control affordable and accessible. As far as saving lives, Republicans' policies are killing far more through policies that ignore climate change and encourage pollution of our airways and waterways, as well as policies that have people dying because they can't afford healthcare. If voters want to save as many lives as possible, they should be voting Democratic.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:58 PM

18. foxnews needs to be marginalized. the best way to convince foxnews viewers

is to cast doubt on its legitimacy as a news organization.

this is far better than letting them televise our debates, ask biased questions, steer the coverage in favor of the candidate the right-wing would rather run against, etc.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:03 PM

21. Don't reward propaganda networks. People will watch no matter where the debate is.

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:04 PM

23. I would only allow a Fox debate if it was moderated by Shepp Smith

 

...and NOBODY else on that godforsaken network.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:05 PM

26. Yep, Shepp Smith is the only one there with a sense of fairness and decent reporting. n/t

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:04 PM

24. Although I have mixed feelings on this ... Fox is so filled with propaganda, deception and

strategic attacks it is probably a smart move. It also places Fox where they should be, a tabloid channel on par with the National Enquirer and the like. I also doubt any listening to Fox would be swayed ... and Fox would cast the democratic candidates in the worst possible light. Also, why give ad revenue to Fox.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:04 PM

25. Great, Fox's ignorant white viewers will just get to see cherry-picked

and edited video to make Democrats look bad. At least for an hour a few will get to see what actually happened. Maybe a few will be surprised.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:15 PM

32. It wouldn't matter to his base

They'll still be ignorant viewers who think Democrats are evil incarnate and are just lying!



Damned if they do and damned if they don't!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:27 PM

39. If we can only sway a small percent, that's something. But that's best we'll do.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:08 PM

27. If fox viewers want to watch

All they have to do is turn to the channel that is carrying the debates. It's not really that hard for them to do, and I am pretty sure many will do just that.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:09 PM

28. "Oh no! If Dems don't debate on Fox, Fox will say bad things about Dems!"

 

Screw Fox.

Suffocate the beast.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:10 PM

30. They should immediately agree to not appear on any Fox Presidential Debates as well

Not just Primaries... include the General election as well.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:15 PM

31. The first sentence is poorly written. This seems to be about hosting, not televising.

Last edited Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

In the article Perez says "the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates. Therefore, Fox News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates.”

Hosting & televising are 2 different things.

Edit: Upon a second read, this appears to include both hosting AND televising.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:36 PM

44. Okay. Good catch.

 

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:35 PM

33. It's a good move. They'd be doing running commentary the whole time anyway.

 

FOX would have their talking head idiots doing running commentary the whole time the Dem candidates were talking. Not helpful.

This way, they'll be relegated to clips more than the whole thing.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:50 PM

34. what dnc move? nt

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:00 PM

36. Good. Fox viewers may realize they can change the channel.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:17 PM

37. What's missing is any kind of media savvy. Backlash will hurt more IMHO

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:22 PM

38. fox news is not a legitimate news source .

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:37 PM

45. I agree with it. The viewers who watch Fox are lost to reason anyway.

There is no sense in legitimatizing this evil propaganda arm of the RW.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:38 PM

46. Should have been done a long time ago.

President Obama should have tossed them out years ago.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:43 PM

47. Oh, the unbearable burden of it all!

Conservatives will have to . . . get ready for it . . . it's pretty goddam heinous, I'm telling you . . . maybe you should sit down . . . pour yourself a stiff, bracing drink because this is gonna hit you like a ton of bricks . . . are you ready? . . . wait, where was I? Oh yeah . . . Conservatives will have to CHANGE THE CHANNEL if they want to watch the Democratic candidates debate!

Oh my god, right? It's the worstest thing that could ever happen to anyone anywhere ever!

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:53 PM

49. Republican Super PAC's shouldn't be allowed to HOST our debates.

 

Good move.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:55 PM

50. Unnnn, anyone who watches FAUX News is pretty died in the wool ...

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:58 PM

51. I applaud the DNC for opting out of Fox News altogether. They are an arm of the kGOP

and we need to keep our distance.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:01 PM

53. In my opinion Fox News is little better than National Enquirer. I agree with DNC.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:04 PM

54. ...10/30/15 -- RNC suspends NBC News, Telemundo as debate partners

The Republican National Committee is suspending its participation in a scheduled February debate hosted by NBC News and Telemundo after complaints from GOP presidential campaigns about this week’s CNBC debate, RNC chairman Reince Priebus announced on Friday.

“While debates are meant to include tough questions and contrast candidates’ visions and policies for the future of America, CNBC’s moderators engaged in a series of ‘gotcha’ questions, petty and mean-spirited in tone, and designed to embarrass our candidates,” Priebus said in a letter to NBC News and MSNBC chairman Andrew Lack.

Among the complaints Priebus cited: Insufficient focus on the debate’s theme of economic and financial issues, uneven screen time for candidates, and “inaccurate or downright offensive” questions. NBC News and CNBC share a parent company and operate independently.

According to Priebus, the RNC will sanction a candidate debate for the same February 26 date, but as of now will only work with National Review, a conservative outlet that was also set to participate in the NBC/Telemundo debate.


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rnc-suspends-participation-nbc-news-debate

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:18 PM

55. Agreed, Bad Move

Unless Fox was just unreasonable in their demands, the DNC would be well served to get our candidates front and center. Whether Fox viewers watch or not is another question.

I'm going to assume not all Fox News watchers are brain dead. Perhaps they will finally be able to see for themselves what our candidates have to say, unfiltered and see that Democrats aren't the devil. If we can just plant seeds of doubt, maybe we can change one or two minds and votes. Lost opportunity.

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Response to sacto95834 (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 06:07 PM

57. No it is a great move. It is their commentary and questions that would suck.

The viewers would be conned.

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Response to SHRED (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 07:02 PM

58. This was about hosting

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