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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI disagree with this DNC move
Tell me why I should agree with this.
This is about televising not hosting.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,927 posts)And regardless, Fox's "commentary" would be nothing but negative, featuring a lot of red-scare crap about socialism. I don't see a problem with shutting them out; they shouldn't be rewarded for acting as Trump's version of Pravda.
LonePirate
(13,432 posts)There is nothing good to come from Fox hosting a debate of Democratic primary contenders.
elleng
(131,274 posts)In addition to needing all eyes and ears, anything that tends to aggravate ANY in the voting populace (like calling people idiots/deplorables) serves no positive goal.
shanny
(6,709 posts)They need to be marginalized/de-legitimized. Obama did it for a while; I wish he had continued.
elleng
(131,274 posts)rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)The audience is no different than the propaganda. They're in lock step.
elleng
(131,274 posts)but our day to day lives will become unliveable.
We CANNOT SURVIVE if we talk of many U.S. citizens as un-American racist, bigots and fascists. WE must not succumb to the propaganda.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Were you tied in knots that Pravda did not provide much coverage to the party in the 80's?
Would you prefer to see Fox News graphics lying to the audience during a debate to steer talking points for Trump?
As long as Fox is state-run TV, the Democratic Party is wise to avoid them 100% of the time.
Hokie
(4,288 posts)Fox News isn't in the news business.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It would be a rigged setting. Any hard core Fox watcher isn't going to be swayed. Anyone else will be just as likely to tune into PBS to watch a debate if they want to see it.
FakeNoose
(32,843 posts)... but the way I'm reading this, Faux won't be allowed to televise any debate hosted by another news outlet. (?) I guess it means they couldn't use clips for discussion on their news shows, if I'm reading this correctly.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)They need to see actual smart people of good character debating real issues with practical solutions to entrenched problems. Fantasy TV for them and possible pickup votes by us.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)The traitor in the White House is their guy.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)wishstar
(5,272 posts)Tom Perez seems to be explaining that their reasoning is that they do not want to promote Fox by allowing them exclusive hosting rights to any of the debates because of their blatantly pro-Trump bias.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Or the candidate they most fear. It's time to be done with legitimizing Fox News.
DFW
(54,465 posts)Every single statement made by a Democrat would be placed in the worst possible light, probably misquoted, and the the misquote commented on as if it had been what the candidate really said. They are not only capable of this, they are trained to do this. They will try to destroy any and all Democrats participating, giving the Democrats with the widest appeal the worst commentary, and the most divisive ones the most favorable commentary.
Why make it easy for them?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,927 posts)They would place a negative spin on all aspects of it just to feed more red meat to their base - and there would be a lot of questions and commentary about "socialism," in a way that shows clearly that they and their viewers haven't the faintest idea what socialism really is.
FakeNoose
(32,843 posts)Were there problems before? I wouldn't know, since I never watch that channel.
C_U_L8R
(45,029 posts)They certainly should not host any debates... they can broadcast all they want.
madville
(7,413 posts)I don't think they should be afraid of a news network, it's free time in front of a chunk of their regular viewers.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)Rupert even said it's entertainment not news.
SunSeeker
(51,772 posts)Their questions will be loaded and unfair.
And we sure as hell shouldn't let them do the general election debates. Word is Fox News gave Trump debate questions in advance.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017534307
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,538 posts)Answer the dumb question in a sentence, then say, "I'm surpirsed you haven't asked about (X), a topic that's on the mind of so many voters. Here's how I would address that.....
For instance, "Why do you support socialism?"
"The V.A. system , Medicare and social security are socialist. I support programs to benefit all Americans, but not a government takeover of corporations, if that's the concern. I noticed you haven't asked about healthcare, the number one issue on many voters' minds. I support Medicare for All to assure that every American has access to healthcare. Every other industrialized nation on earth provides healthcare as a right, and it's shameful that in the only ciivilized nation on earth, people are dying because they can't afford obscenely high costs for insulin, chemotherpy, or other live-saving treatments."
Boom.
Or, "How can you support baby-killing legislation?"
I believe abortion should be legal but rare, with programs to make birth control affordable and accessible. As far as saving lives, Republicans' policies are killing far more through policies that ignore climate change and encourage pollution of our airways and waterways, as well as policies that have people dying because they can't afford healthcare. If voters want to save as many lives as possible, they should be voting Democratic.
unblock
(52,427 posts)is to cast doubt on its legitimacy as a news organization.
this is far better than letting them televise our debates, ask biased questions, steer the coverage in favor of the candidate the right-wing would rather run against, etc.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)...and NOBODY else on that godforsaken network.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)strategic attacks it is probably a smart move. It also places Fox where they should be, a tabloid channel on par with the National Enquirer and the like. I also doubt any listening to Fox would be swayed ... and Fox would cast the democratic candidates in the worst possible light. Also, why give ad revenue to Fox.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and edited video to make Democrats look bad. At least for an hour a few will get to see what actually happened. Maybe a few will be surprised.
atreides1
(16,100 posts)They'll still be ignorant viewers who think Democrats are evil incarnate and are just lying!
Damned if they do and damned if they don't!!!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)All they have to do is turn to the channel that is carrying the debates. It's not really that hard for them to do, and I am pretty sure many will do just that.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Screw Fox.
Suffocate the beast.
world wide wally
(21,758 posts)Not just Primaries... include the General election as well.
CaptainTruth
(6,612 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 6, 2019, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)
In the article Perez says "the network is not in a position to host a fair and neutral debate for our candidates. Therefore, Fox News will not serve as a media partner for the 2020 Democratic primary debates.
Hosting & televising are 2 different things.
Edit: Upon a second read, this appears to include both hosting AND televising.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)FOX would have their talking head idiots doing running commentary the whole time the Dem candidates were talking. Not helpful.
This way, they'll be relegated to clips more than the whole thing.
msongs
(67,468 posts)Response to SHRED (Original post)
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pwb
(11,295 posts).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Liberal In Texas
(13,601 posts)There is no sense in legitimatizing this evil propaganda arm of the RW.
rockfordfile
(8,709 posts)President Obama should have tossed them out years ago.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Conservatives will have to . . . get ready for it . . . it's pretty goddam heinous, I'm telling you . . . maybe you should sit down . . . pour yourself a stiff, bracing drink because this is gonna hit you like a ton of bricks . . . are you ready? . . . wait, where was I? Oh yeah . . . Conservatives will have to CHANGE THE CHANNEL if they want to watch the Democratic candidates debate!
Oh my god, right? It's the worstest thing that could ever happen to anyone anywhere ever!
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Good move.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)Baltimike
(4,148 posts)and we need to keep our distance.
walkingman
(7,683 posts)spanone
(135,917 posts)While debates are meant to include tough questions and contrast candidates visions and policies for the future of America, CNBCs moderators engaged in a series of gotcha questions, petty and mean-spirited in tone, and designed to embarrass our candidates, Priebus said in a letter to NBC News and MSNBC chairman Andrew Lack.
Among the complaints Priebus cited: Insufficient focus on the debates theme of economic and financial issues, uneven screen time for candidates, and inaccurate or downright offensive questions. NBC News and CNBC share a parent company and operate independently.
According to Priebus, the RNC will sanction a candidate debate for the same February 26 date, but as of now will only work with National Review, a conservative outlet that was also set to participate in the NBC/Telemundo debate.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rnc-suspends-participation-nbc-news-debate
sacto95834
(393 posts)Unless Fox was just unreasonable in their demands, the DNC would be well served to get our candidates front and center. Whether Fox viewers watch or not is another question.
I'm going to assume not all Fox News watchers are brain dead. Perhaps they will finally be able to see for themselves what our candidates have to say, unfiltered and see that Democrats aren't the devil. If we can just plant seeds of doubt, maybe we can change one or two minds and votes. Lost opportunity.
pwb
(11,295 posts)The viewers would be conned.