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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:16 AM Mar 2019

Trump just tweeted that he doesn't want Albert Einstein to fly his jet








Donald J. Trump

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are....
needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!
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Trump just tweeted that he doesn't want Albert Einstein to fly his jet (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Mar 2019 OP
WTF is he even talking about? Botany Mar 2019 #1
He may be right in this case exboyfil Mar 2019 #8
That sounds more like a design flaw than an argument against technology and smart people. Bleacher Creature Mar 2019 #18
30 year argument zipplewrath Mar 2019 #22
Those overrides exist. Adrahil Mar 2019 #45
Dr. Trump at MIT dalton99a Mar 2019 #2
and Trump is so stupid he does not know how stupid he talks. riversedge Mar 2019 #11
WTF? winetourdriver01 Mar 2019 #3
It fits with Trumps anti-science, I do not think Trump wrote that. riversedge Mar 2019 #4
I imagine he'll be taking the Spruce Goose for a test run any day now. HughBeaumont Mar 2019 #5
Next week on History Channel's Aliens, Was Albert Einstein a robot from the future... Johonny Mar 2019 #6
The only pilot Trump will trust: Mrs. Overall Mar 2019 #7
I wonder which member of Trump's entourage will re-inflate him when the need arises. Girard442 Mar 2019 #17
Lol!! Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #25
I will translate edhopper Mar 2019 #9
old and simple....... give the defense dapartment unlimited funds!!!!! for what exactly? Afromania Mar 2019 #10
And Space Force should be old and simple, too. Mrs. Overall Mar 2019 #12
The stabilizer fin on the stick is a fascinating detail. Girard442 Mar 2019 #20
I agree with him in some of what he says ... CatMor Mar 2019 #13
I would not want a dead man flying my plane if I had one. appleannie1943 Mar 2019 #14
Hot Air Balloons are great and tRump has enough hot air to fuel them all! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #15
Like the guy that decided to commit suicide and take the passengers with him. appleannie1943 Mar 2019 #16
How about Einstein for president instead of the orange asshole? Javaman Mar 2019 #19
Oh, speaking of pilots, LOSER - American hero Sully Sullenberger says he no longer recognizes Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #21
True Hero Alea Mar 2019 #51
Yeah, we need professionals... LakeArenal Mar 2019 #23
Apparently someone has a big flying phobia C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #24
Too stupid to know he's stupid CanonRay Mar 2019 #26
Dunning-Kruger handmade34 Mar 2019 #42
If Einstein was alive... The Truth Is Here Mar 2019 #27
Not one word of sympathy for the 157 dead malaise Mar 2019 #28
Yep. Two days later, and not a peep about them. GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #48
Can we cancel his Air Force One replacement? Maybe a single engine plane? 33taw Mar 2019 #29
If you are going to go old school then this should be Trump's new Air Force 1 Botany Mar 2019 #31
That looks good. He can pilot it as well. Maybe have wing walkers. 33taw Mar 2019 #40
In WW I Pilots had a life span of about 6 weeks Botany Mar 2019 #44
We need to return to steam powered airplanes world wide wally Mar 2019 #30
I see it all the time in many products? WTF Does he deconstruct digital devices then? BSdetect Mar 2019 #32
I'd like to see him after nykym Mar 2019 #33
I think I'll pass jmowreader Mar 2019 #49
WTF with today's technology air travel is the safest means of doc03 Mar 2019 #34
We have tried 'older and simpler' for President, that hasn't worked out. MLAA Mar 2019 #35
To decode those tweets i suspect you would have to watch fox and friends this morning. Mr. Sparkle Mar 2019 #36
His mental state has deteriorated rapidly, TheCowsCameHome Mar 2019 #37
FOX News headline if Trump was a Democrat ChicagoRonin Mar 2019 #38
Air Force one should absolutely have no computer assists. gibraltar72 Mar 2019 #39
an unabashed fucking moron spanone Mar 2019 #41
And we don't want him steering the ship of state eleny Mar 2019 #43
A paper airplane is too complex for that imbecile. llmart Mar 2019 #46
So, I guess "Otto" flies Air Force One? GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #47
But he liked electro-magnetic aircraft carriers instead of good ol' fashioned steam... Blue Owl Mar 2019 #50
Remember 9 months ago when Trump was trying to take credit for how safe commercial air travel is? mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2019 #52
Once again (as always) he hasn't a clue about what he's talking about. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #53
Don is a "Stable genius"--a relatively smart horse's ass. librechik Mar 2019 #54
Aren't we lucky he weighed in on scientific technology! lunatica Mar 2019 #55
Great! Give him a Piper Cub for his goddamn golf trips. Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #56
Flying commercial is as safe as ever! Trump is an idiot. Nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #57

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
8. He may be right in this case
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:22 AM
Mar 2019

A badly designed control system might have caused these accidents. Pilot should always have easy override or you design out failures.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
18. That sounds more like a design flaw than an argument against technology and smart people.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:30 AM
Mar 2019

That said, thanks for pointing out what is likely the seed that launched his most recent tirade.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
22. 30 year argument
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:34 AM
Mar 2019

This has been a 30 year argument and it is EXTREMELY complex. These systems can interfere with the pilots, but they can also prevent the pilot from making fatal mistakes. The question is whether one can have both, and which one is more important. Trust me, Trump has NO idea what he's talking about.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
45. Those overrides exist.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:46 PM
Mar 2019

I've worked in aviation as an avionics engineer for over 30 years. There are overrides. Mistakes can, and do happen, of course, but let's be clear here... improvements in aviation technology have made commercial airline flying the safest mode of transport BY FAR!

Let's not lose the forest for the trees.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
5. I imagine he'll be taking the Spruce Goose for a test run any day now.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:20 AM
Mar 2019

"Keep the plane ready and cooled. That is all (click)"

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
17. I wonder which member of Trump's entourage will re-inflate him when the need arises.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:29 AM
Mar 2019

Feel free to speculate.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
13. I agree with him in some of what he says ...
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:25 AM
Mar 2019

with the complexity of Twitter and someone teaching trump how to use it he became a real danger to the world. I don't know about you but I don't want trump to be my leader.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
19. How about Einstein for president instead of the orange asshole?
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:31 AM
Mar 2019

even a dead physicist would be better than the orange asshole.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
21. Oh, speaking of pilots, LOSER - American hero Sully Sullenberger says he no longer recognizes
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:33 AM
Mar 2019


his country, thanks to you.

I wish a Dem or two would escort him around Capitol Hill and then a press person ask Sully what he thinks of the current regime and then see what MF45 might have to say about it, either via tweet or during a GOP fundraiser.

Because that would be awesome
 

The Truth Is Here

(354 posts)
27. If Einstein was alive...
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:02 AM
Mar 2019

He'd be busy working out the logistics of Trump's next launch.. with Trump in it! Destination: Sol.

malaise

(268,987 posts)
28. Not one word of sympathy for the 157 dead
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:05 AM
Mar 2019

just undiluted fuckery posing as knowledge.

I detest this creep.

Thank you Obama for your sympathetic comments on the crash.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
48. Yep. Two days later, and not a peep about them.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:53 PM
Mar 2019

Same shit, different day with this syphilis-addled shitbag.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
44. In WW I Pilots had a life span of about 6 weeks
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:14 PM
Mar 2019

The planes were put together w/wood, canvas, and wire ... a lot of times they just
broke apart when flying.

nykym

(3,063 posts)
33. I'd like to see him after
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:11 AM
Mar 2019

a routine flight on a blackbird.

Maybe he'd be more comfortable on one of Davinci creations.


jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
49. I think I'll pass
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:55 PM
Mar 2019

The Basic Equipment List for a Blackbird did not include a shoehorn to get the backseater in the plane.

doc03

(35,332 posts)
34. WTF with today's technology air travel is the safest means of
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:11 AM
Mar 2019

transportation. Yes every commercial plane crash makes world wide headlines, that is because they are so rare. Trump is a moron, why doesn't he drive a car to his golf resort.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,932 posts)
36. To decode those tweets i suspect you would have to watch fox and friends this morning.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:19 AM
Mar 2019

and that's not happening. You literally could not pay me to watch dumb and dumber and dumbiest.

llmart

(15,537 posts)
46. A paper airplane is too complex for that imbecile.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:48 PM
Mar 2019

And in addition, yes, WTF is he even talking about?

Blue Owl

(50,360 posts)
50. But he liked electro-magnetic aircraft carriers instead of good ol' fashioned steam...
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:59 PM
Mar 2019

Make up your mind, pea-brain...

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,439 posts)
52. Remember 9 months ago when Trump was trying to take credit for how safe commercial air travel is?
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:09 PM
Mar 2019
WTFITS



Remember 9 months ago when Trump was trying to take credit for how safe commercial air travel is? The internet remembers...


PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
53. Once again (as always) he hasn't a clue about what he's talking about.
Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:17 PM
Mar 2019

Recently I was listening to a piece on some NPR station about how and why pilots started using pre-flight check-lists, and it dates from a crash that happened in 1935. The piece went into some detail about how the plane that crashed was piloted by a very experienced pilot, and because of some recent change in technology they forgot to unlock the elevators and rudder.

So the pre-flight check-list was born, and the piece went on to say how incredibly good it was in the training of pilots in WWII.

Here's a link to an article on this topic: https://aviationweek.com/business-aviation/checklists-and-callouts-keep-it-simple-avoid-distraction-prevent-ineptitude It's a pretty long article, but the essential information is in the first two or three paragraphs.

So whatever the probably cause is in these two recent flights, planes are not too complex, and fully automated ones won't be a good idea. At least not for a very long time.

Just think back to US Airways 1549 and it's almost impossible to imagine some current AI could possibly have landed that plane safely.

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