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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:42 PM Mar 2019

BREAKING: Manhattan DA Vance unseals 15 fraud & conspiracy charges against Manafort (No Pardon!)

No pardon for you, Manafort!

BREAKING: Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance unseals 15 fraud and conspiracy charges against Paul Manafort.





Correction: It's actually 16!

New York Charges Paul Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He’s Convicted, Trump Can’t Pardon Him.

Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.

While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a “brave man.”

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html

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BREAKING: Manhattan DA Vance unseals 15 fraud & conspiracy charges against Manafort (No Pardon!) (Original Post) MelissaB Mar 2019 OP
Yay! cilla4progress Mar 2019 #1
He's having a bad day unc70 Mar 2019 #2
Ohhh, is that why I'm so fuckin HAPPY??! Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #12
+1, IKR !?!? How in the HELL is Benedict Donald worth ... ANY ... of this!?!?! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #30
Is it wrong that I'm smiling? calimary Mar 2019 #34
New York Charges Paul Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He's Convicted, Trump Can't Pardon Him. MelissaB Mar 2019 #3
These NYS charges are for residential mortgage fraud FakeNoose Mar 2019 #26
But wasn't this the same guy trump said he barely knew calimary Mar 2019 #35
LOL. Sucks to be Paulie now... RockRaven Mar 2019 #4
Is this a harbinger of things to come for the criminal Trump family? llmart Mar 2019 #5
Sounds like some additional years for Paulie. Not getting out of prison. triron Mar 2019 #6
No wonder Trump was twitchy as hell last night. BritVic Mar 2019 #7
BINGO Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #9
Manafort is going to die in prison peggysue2 Mar 2019 #8
I like the timing. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2019 #10
Did Manafort have prior knowledge of this indictment? PTWB Mar 2019 #11
I sure hope not, P, Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #13
Yes. They were waiting for the federal cases to be completed. MineralMan Mar 2019 #14
This is awesome! nt Sunsky Mar 2019 #15
Now go after these criminals: dalton99a Mar 2019 #16
Now he will be threatening and name calling Gov Cuomo. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #22
Ivanka looks like she had a nose job. lunatica Mar 2019 #24
Has anyone done the math yet? C_U_L8R Mar 2019 #17
My god this is fucking amazing! Justice people! This is what justice looks like! manor321 Mar 2019 #18
People need to keep an eye on Vance, watoos Mar 2019 #19
He's Not the Most Trustworthy DA - He's Shown He'll Take a Healthy Campaign Contribution... dlk Mar 2019 #21
I Don't Think There are any Club Fed Equivalents in the NY State Prison System dlk Mar 2019 #20
If you watched Ari's show last night ScratchCat Mar 2019 #23
Would this be IN ADDITION to the 7 years he's ALREADY racked up? rocktivity Mar 2019 #25
Damn good thing a state got involved DirtEdonE Mar 2019 #27
Maybe the NYS Prosecutor will flip Paulie so we can get his testimony on NCjack Mar 2019 #28
Good. Aristus Mar 2019 #29
I LOVE NY!!!!!!! Maeve Mar 2019 #31
He is gonna die in prison. Botany Mar 2019 #32
Off to Sing Sing for him. roamer65 Mar 2019 #33
Wonder how many more indictments duforsure Mar 2019 #36
Sucks to be him Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #37
How many down now? smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #38

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
3. New York Charges Paul Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He's Convicted, Trump Can't Pardon Him.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:45 PM
Mar 2019
New York Charges Paul Manafort With 16 Crimes. If He’s Convicted, Trump Can’t Pardon Him.

Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.

While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a “brave man.”

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html

FakeNoose

(32,638 posts)
26. These NYS charges are for residential mortgage fraud
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:18 PM
Mar 2019

... so nothing to do with Chump on these new cases, it looks like. Chump doesn't need to waste his precious pardon on Manafort. He can save those presidential pardons for his own kids.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
35. But wasn't this the same guy trump said he barely knew
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 03:41 PM
Mar 2019

and who just worked for him for a few weeks or so?

So now trump is vouching for what a wonderful guy Manafort is and how unfairly he’s been treated? How would trump know what a pure and blameless individual he is, in so short a time?

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
4. LOL. Sucks to be Paulie now...
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:50 PM
Mar 2019

Assuming this prosecution succeeds, now there's no point in Trump taking the political risk of trying to bribe Manafort with a pardon. All that effort to appear loyal to Trump down the drain.

llmart

(15,536 posts)
5. Is this a harbinger of things to come for the criminal Trump family?
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:51 PM
Mar 2019

Might give them a little something to think about and keep them on edge.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
14. Yes. They were waiting for the federal cases to be completed.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:58 PM
Mar 2019

Very polite of them, I think. That shows proper deference, I believe.

Now, the State's case can proceed. Poor Manafort will have to be wheeled into court again, so he'll probably stay right where he is for now, instead of being transferred to a more pleasant Federal Prison.

Tough times ahead for Paul. No relief.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
17. Has anyone done the math yet?
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:08 PM
Mar 2019

How many additional (unpardonable) years in prison might Manafort be facing?

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
19. People need to keep an eye on Vance,
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:36 PM
Mar 2019

He has a lot of making up to do when he had an open and shut case against Jr. and Ivanka and failed to bring charges.

dlk

(11,563 posts)
21. He's Not the Most Trustworthy DA - He's Shown He'll Take a Healthy Campaign Contribution...
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:42 PM
Mar 2019

...that is by remarkable coincidence around the exact same time he declines to prosecute criminal activity of the rich and connected.

dlk

(11,563 posts)
20. I Don't Think There are any Club Fed Equivalents in the NY State Prison System
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:38 PM
Mar 2019

The food in the NY state prison system isn't as good, either.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
23. If you watched Ari's show last night
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:03 PM
Mar 2019

The CPA he had on shows why NYAG undoubtedly has similar sealed indictments with Donald J. Trumps name on them. "It would take 15 minutes and you would know if they committed tax fraud".

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
29. Good.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 02:43 PM
Mar 2019

Hey Manafort: when you're done with your lazy afternoon sojourn in Federal prison, New York State wants a piece of your ass...

Botany

(70,502 posts)
32. He is gonna die in prison.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 03:25 PM
Mar 2019

Unless he really starts talking and his family gets federal protection because once he
starts talking Putin will give the order to have him and his family killed.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
36. Wonder how many more indictments
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 03:51 PM
Mar 2019

Mueller has for him soon? Great to hear state charges will put him away for life, and I would expect they have more waiting for him. If trump tries to pardon him he'll get connected and charged with obstruction and conspiracy also with him. It'll be the same if he tries to pardon everyone, including himself, they'll just make it worse for them all, and have state charges for some in large numbers I suspect as corrupt as trump and his family are. Its only a matter of time before Mueller shows they all conspired together, and were neck deep in criminal activities.

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