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Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:58 PM Mar 2019

Reports on TV are saying there will be no more Mueller indictments.

( I haven't found any links yet.)

It could be what I've been fearing. (Sorry but I always expect the worst and hope for the best.)
It may be that after the huge investigation they still don't have direct evidence that holds up to the legal standard for conspiracy with Russia. Choking with smoke but no view of the fire itself so no charges will be brought.

If they can't find direct evidence, the report will exonerate Trump on this issue.
So far all the American indictments have been for crimes not directly connected to the Russia investigation and Trump casually saying the report should be released to the public is disturbing.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't get a good feeling about this.

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Reports on TV are saying there will be no more Mueller indictments. (Original Post) Kablooie Mar 2019 OP
Mueller knows everything. Qutzupalotl Mar 2019 #1
How do they know? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #2
Scared people tune in more often donkeypoofed Mar 2019 #3
Could it be that Trump and Barr have cut the meat out of the report to the point where it's Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #4
One link I posted earlier manor321 Mar 2019 #5
Not even for Trump Jr or Jared??!!!? secondwind Mar 2019 #6
They are looking specifically for conspiracy with Russia to tilt the election. Kablooie Mar 2019 #7
Muelle won't indict, he will make recommendatons within his report, and it will be up to the AG. It still_one Mar 2019 #8
He will also pass along notes to other jurisdictions Lithos Mar 2019 #10
I agree still_one Mar 2019 #16
Here's a link to Rosenstein's letter to Grassley Jarqui Mar 2019 #9
And All The Reports Telling Us About The Thirty-Something Sealed Indictments ALREADY Filed? ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2019 #11
WHAT sealed indictments? PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #14
WTF?!?! You're telling me no indictments on Russian collusion or obstruction of justice?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #12
After watching the evening CNN/MSNBC lineup.... Socal31 Mar 2019 #13
Well over a year ago PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #15
Fitzmas didn't end up with half a dozen guilty pleas among people close to the President, pnwmom Mar 2019 #18
The actual ABC report that everyone else keeps repeating says that their mystery source pnwmom Mar 2019 #17
guess that wouldn't count existing sealed indictments eShirl Mar 2019 #19

Qutzupalotl

(14,311 posts)
1. Mueller knows everything.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:01 PM
Mar 2019

Pundits know nothing.

Mueller may or may not indict Trump, but that’s about DOJ policy, not his culpability. He’s guilty as fuck.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
3. Scared people tune in more often
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:06 PM
Mar 2019

Its right in there with:Trump is gonna fire Mueller; Rosenstein is leaving the DOJ, etc - its just for ratings. Dont worry too much about it.

And if you do get stressed out - just remember how truly stupid all of these traitors are! They're all gonna get caught.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
4. Could it be that Trump and Barr have cut the meat out of the report to the point where it's
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:06 PM
Mar 2019

meaningless?

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
7. They are looking specifically for conspiracy with Russia to tilt the election.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:42 PM
Mar 2019

Perhaps, even though there are mountains of circumstantial evidence, they haven't found any documents specifically stating this intent so they can't charge them.

The standards, I'm sure, are very high in this case.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
8. Muelle won't indict, he will make recommendatons within his report, and it will be up to the AG. It
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 10:43 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Fri Mar 22, 2019, 06:53 AM - Edit history (1)

will be up to Congress to determine if Trump should be impeached, and the Senate if he should be removed

at least that is my understanding



Lithos

(26,403 posts)
10. He will also pass along notes to other jurisdictions
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:18 PM
Mar 2019

NY State, Maryland and the SD NY district who will indict.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
9. Here's a link to Rosenstein's letter to Grassley
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:17 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.justice.gov/ola/page/file/1080041/download

If Trump is not being indicted - which many allege is a DoJ policy for a sitting President, as I read that letter, Mueller cannot say much about Trump.

With all the redactions and extending people like Gates with more time to testify, there's more going on but maybe not by the Special Counsel. There are apparently sealed indictments. Who knows when those will be unsealed.

I watched a bunch pf this AC360 tonight



They don't have a clue what is in or not in the report.

The ABC report suggesting Rosenstein's letter to Grassley might be the best indicator about the report, general as it is, seems like the most reliable thing I've seen.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
11. And All The Reports Telling Us About The Thirty-Something Sealed Indictments ALREADY Filed?
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:25 PM
Mar 2019

And how about that report from a month or two ago saying that Mueller had requested something like 100 more blank indictment forms?

Fake news?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
14. WHAT sealed indictments?
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 03:08 AM
Mar 2019

How exactly do we know they exist?

And what guarantee is that (if the actually exist, which isn't for certain) that they will be unsealed? Or that they contain anything that means a shit?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
12. WTF?!?! You're telling me no indictments on Russian collusion or obstruction of justice?!?!
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 11:48 PM
Mar 2019

I'm callin bullshit on that bullshit!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
13. After watching the evening CNN/MSNBC lineup....
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 12:26 AM
Mar 2019

It appears everyone is acting as if there won't be collusion in the report.

This is purely my speculation. My gut is that nobody outside of the Special Counsel knows all the details.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
15. Well over a year ago
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 03:16 AM
Mar 2019

I listened to a report (I could swear it was Jeffrey Toobin on Democracy Now! but I can't seem to find it) from some political reporter who said that the likeliest outcome of the entire Mueller investigation would be a report that would be filed with Congress. And that it would be up to Congress to decide what to do. The strong implication was that Congress would simply sit on it.

There are supposedly a whole bunch of sealed indictments, but I haven't seen anything that gives credibility to that assertion. Meanwhile, those who Mueller has brought down are relatively minor players. I'm tired of the claims that Mueller knows what he's doing, he's building his case, and so on and so forth and so I might throw up.

Am I the ONLY one here who thinks this is just like Fitzmas?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
18. Fitzmas didn't end up with half a dozen guilty pleas among people close to the President,
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:19 AM
Mar 2019

so, no, it's not like Fitzmas at ll.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
17. The actual ABC report that everyone else keeps repeating says that their mystery source
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:17 AM
Mar 2019

says s/he "believes" there will be no indictments.

That means nothing.

If it were a real Mueller person, s/he would KNOW whether or not there were other indictments coming.

The fact that this person only "believes" means that someone in the Trump administration wants to believe. And wants us to believe.

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