Nobody has to ask if I accept the Nicene Creed!

[cthulu2016]

You know, considering that Romney is probably the first non-Christian (nominally) major party presidential candidate in our history it is something less than amusing that he is running a campaign based entirely on nursing a perception that his opponent is alien to American values and culture.

"Nobody has to ask to see my birth certificate!"

If Obama was running around saying that nobody has to ask whether he accepts the Nicene creed the sky would fall in.

Religion is personal and outside proper political discourse... unlike, apparently, skin color.

Of course millions of Romney fans would have to ask whether Obama is a Christian, since they think he is a Muslim... a view they somehow spontaneously formed by the millions in the context of a political culture that never talks about religion.

Funny how that works.

[El Supremo]

1. They think that they are Christian.

But Trinitarian Christians don't.

[DURHAM D]

2. Doesn't this belong in Religion?

[cthulu2016]

3. No, but thanks for asking.

[banned from Kos]

6. Do Mormons reject the Nicene Creed?

I am a secular humanist. This is not my specialty to say the least.

[cthulu2016]

9. Yes, but so do I. I am not actually criticizing anyone's views on their merits.

As an atheist, I don't think Romney should be condemned for believing one flavor of fairy tale over another.

I just think he is living in the thinnest of glass houses for somebody whose campaign is all about throwing stones.

But since you asked... I don't think Mormons believe that Jesus is God. He is more like the Silver Surfer to Heavenly Father's Galactus.

[El Supremo]

10. Yes, but so do Quakers.

The Quakers reject creeds in general. But Mormons reject the Trinity. The three "personalities" of God to Trinitarians are the so-called "Godhead" and are three separate and unequal things to LDSers.

[cthulu2016]

11. Yeah, I thought about Nixon

Quakers are not doctrinaire trinitarian, but they are not doctrinaire anti-trinitarian either. There would be much less doctrinal controversy in asking whether Quakers are conventional Christians, versus LDS.

Of course the real thing is cultural norms. Nixon was a pretty poor excuse for a Quaker and I'm confident Jefferson didn't believe the Nicene creed was worth anything.

But the point remains that Mormonism is, by mainstream American cultural standards, a pure outsider operation. Thus the irony.

[El Supremo]

12. Why did you have to bring up my 7th cousin, once removed?

Nixon and I are related through the Milhouse family. He was a non-practicing Friend. I am a non-churchgoing Presbyterian with strong Quaker beliefs.

On edit: A minority of Friends don't consider themselves Christian, but all LDSers do.

[Kolesar]

4. Joe Biden should say that!

He would be perfect for it.

[annabanana]

5. Ask him if he is a Monotheist.

I don't think he is.

[Kolesar]

8. Get a Brain! Moroni

Go USA!!

[onehandle]

7. What Mormons Really Believe