Here we go again - Brexit vote for the nth time - live

[malaise]

[brooklynite]

1. They've been voting for 90 minutes...

[Dankasaurus]

2. Cue the Clash's "Should I Stay or Should I Go Now"

[Pope George Ringo II]

3. Still say it would have been simpler and less destructive to nuke a half dozen mid-size cities.

Brexit is just the gift that keeps on giving.

[Blue_true]

7. Yep. Putin played the corner pocket in 2016.

And so far, he is ahead in the game. But the game is not over.

As far as Britain is concerned, before the right thing happens ala Brexit, Labor has to replace Jeremy Corbyn. But I am afraid that by the time Labor rids itself of Corbyn, Britain would have finished circling the drain and be down the pipe.

[Pope George Ringo II]

10. Once a bank leaves for Dublin, or Frankfurt, or Paris, it's not coming back.

From a tax base perspective, Britain may already be circling the drain.

[Blue_true]

20. Likely back to pre Eurooean Union membership days.

I read that those were not good times.

[Pope George Ringo II]

21. I lived in Windsor from 1975-77. It's going to look like the good old days compared to Brexit.

My mother was born in Harrow in 1928, left London for America in 1950. Brexit might be better than London in that period, but I'm not taking it for granted.

[Blue_true]

22. Well.

At least the anti-immigrant old foggies in Britain will be happy, as their nation sinks. If Britain is counting on trade with the US, it should think again.

[Pope George Ringo II]

23. Trade with America? Chlorinated chicken? Are you daft?

Might as well just give away Windsor Castle.

[Blue_true]

24. Yeah, I know. Britain is better off as part of Europe.

We could offer authentic tacos, but Mexico has us beat hands down there, along with a few other important cultural items.

[Pope George Ringo II]

25. Well, you stole all your important cultural items, and quite a few from us.

Not like the stuff at the British Museum like the marble and, um...

[Blue_true]

28. We did do hot dogs and apple pie on our own, at least I think.

People love to talk about "Americana cuisine cuisine" when from Day 1 we took stuff from other cultures. Even our hotdogs may be copied from Germany's bratwurst.

[Pope George Ringo II]

29. Eat a schnitzel and you'll never look at a country-fried steak the same way again.

Of course, there's something to the view that English as a language doesn't steal words from other languages, rather it follows other languages down dark alleys, beats them unconscious, and rifles through their pockets for loose vocabulary.

[Blue_true]

32. All the world is interconnected. The Left gets that, the right doesn't.

And that schism is at the base of every modern problem, the Left trying to solve them, the right pining for an ideal past era that never existed.

[Pope George Ringo II]

37. I do miss the old GOP

Goldwater may have been wrong, but he did so patriotically, rationally, and honourably. Any of those would be notable in the modern GOP.

[DonCoquixote]

31. it depends

Granted, we never did allow Black Americans or latinos to become accepted in America, despite the fact that whatever culture the US has is because of them, from Blues, to a lot of "cowboy culture." It is funny as America wears that culture, but still calls the people who made it race slurs. Of course, the UK did give us the Ulster scots, who became our Dixie, and frankly that is one contribution I wish the UK could take back, save that the UK seems to be becoming more like them.

Britian could have been the nexus where cultures met, be they germans like karl Marx (who worked and lived in London), or Yanks (like TS eliot) or Canadians. Instead, at this rate, they are going to be south Russia.

[Pope George Ringo II]

33. Unique American cultural innovations do have disproportionate roots in darker-skinned Americans.

Still, it's notable that the British Empire exported Brits at an astonishing rate, with quite a few Irish exports as well. But the American "empire" has really exported culture more than anything. Hollywood made movies for the world. Rock-and-roll originated in America, even if the best half-dozen (maybe more, depending who you ask) bands come from the same two islands off the coast of Europe. I'd certainly champion British television, but everybody of a certain age knew J.R. Ewing. Microsoft, Apple, and Facebook were at least as influential as Turing.

But Britain is experiencing one of the real problems with a post-imperial status. Looking back to the greatness of the past has to be done with a certain mix of pride and self-awareness. Britons are not universally getting that mix right, and if somebody has too much pride the result is a Brexit voter, among other things.

[qazplm135]

4. Big Ben...Parliament

signed,

Walt Griswold.

[SoCalNative]

5. ALL options defeated

per BBC

Motion G: Parliamentary supremacy - Defeated by 292 to 191.
Motion E: Confirmatory public vote - Defeated by 292 to 280.
Motion D: 'Common Market 2.0' - Defeated by 282 to 261.
Motion C: Customs union - Defeated by 276 to 273.

[malaise]

11. What a complete mess

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47781009

The votes were not legally binding, so the government would not have been forced to adopt the proposals.

Theresa May's plan that she negotiated with the EU has been rejected twice by historic margins in Parliament.

The withdrawal agreement section of her deal was voted down again by MPs on Friday.

Mrs May now has until 12 April to either seek a longer extension from the EU to take a different course or decide to leave the EU without a deal.

Following the failure of his own motion to stay in the Single Market - known as Common Market 2.0 - Nick Boles resigned from the Conservative Party.

In a point of order following the results, the MP for Grantham and Stamford said he could "no longer sit for this party", adding: "I have done everything I can to find a compromise."

As he left the Commons, MPs were heard shouting, "don't go Nick", and others applauded him.

[NastyRiffraff]

6. Why don't they hold another referendum?

Clearly this thing is a big fail. Surely Britain has a way to correct what was obviously a mistake.

[SoCalNative]

8. That is one of the options they voted on

that hasn't passed

[Blue_true]

9. They are paralyzed.

Neither May nor Corbyn are providing visionary leadership.

[912gdm]

12. stupid question....

but what are those little round things at the top of the speakers chair and run along the top of the benches every few feet... are they an old audio system so people could hear, or little A/C vents

[malaise]

13. Let's hope one of the British DUers can answer this for you

I'm clueless

[912gdm]

14. those just always stuck out to me when I watched clips of Parliament

It has nothing to do with your op, and I'm sorry, but darn it I would like to know.

[malaise]

15. Doesn't matter

There is no reason to be sorry - it's an interesting question

[Denzil_DC]

16. They are loudspeakers.

Sometimes, especially during long sittings, you'll see a member leaning to the side. Sometimes they've dozed off amid all the excitement, sometimes they're resting with their ear near the loudspeaker to be able to hear the debate better.

The whole chamber was rewired and updated years ago when the televising of Parliament began. You'll also see a multitude of small black microphones hanging on long leads from the ceiling - another part of the sound system.

[912gdm]

19. thank you!

[Yavin4]

17. I heard that May will put her deal up for a 4th vote

Good heavens.

[malaise]

18. Don't think the Speaker will allow it

what a mess

[Otto Lidenbrock]

26. General Election by the end of the year

And Corbyn in No.10

[Pope George Ringo II]

30. I suppose it has to be an improvement.

But don't ask me to say how.

[harumph]

34. In your opinion, how will wealthy (cash rich) Brits take advantage of the situation?

[Pope George Ringo II]

35. Just as an example:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

[nycbos]

27. It's just a flesh wound

[912gdm]

36. oh yeah?