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Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:59 AM Aug 2012

Considering posting this on Facebook. Would like your input please.

EDIT TO CLARIFY: I am talking about my personal Facebook page. Nothing but business is ever posted on the store's page.

I value the wisdom of the many who post here at DU and would like your opinions and suggestions.

This morning a local minister, of all people, posted something I know is untruthful and offensive. I know him and like him, but do not have a close personal relationship. I am uncomfortable with taking him on directly. He posted this: "Did you ever wonder why President Obama had to be coached by his staff to wear a flag pin and cover his heart during the pledge to the flag. Watch the documovie 2016 and you will understand!!"

I am considering posting something like this, which I hope is vague enough that some will "get it" but others will not find it offensive.

A draft of my post:

"Sometimes it is very hard to keep my mouth shut. There is much misinformation and outright lies available on the internet. A lot of it is promoted by people with hidden agendas who have no interest in telling the truth. I find it helpful and informative to use the many fact checking sources available on the internet before I form firm opinions. I suggest those sources might be helpful to others, too."

Background info:

This is a very small strongly Republican town. I have a job with a locally owned retail business where I have decent benefits, an hourly income, and a small commission. I am the administrator of the store's Facebook page where I post updates on products and services 3 to 5 times daily to promote the business. I have over 800 "friends" on Facebook, some of whom are business associations. This is the only reason I am considering not posting at all, as my family and close friends are well aware of my politics. In the past I have only posted political items to prove someone was lying. I have been very restrained, but I am about at my breaking point. However, I cannot risk hurting the business where I work.

So, DU, give me your opinions and suggestions. I look forward to it.

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Considering posting this on Facebook. Would like your input please. (Original Post) Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 OP
It seems to be a productive and helpful comment and not at all offensive. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #1
Hate to bring this up, but if your well-written comment is connected to you in your small town, no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #2
That is my concern. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #3
I agree with you - you are entirely correct (and my family is from Tennessee) Samantha Aug 2012 #38
Rather than statements about lies & misinformation, I would address his allegations directly qb Aug 2012 #4
Filter Who You Send It To... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #5
Good idea, but .... Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #6
After my recent "Troubles with Facebook" cilla4progress Aug 2012 #23
Normally I would say your first duty is to your conscience tularetom Aug 2012 #7
I have no intention of posting it on the business page. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #9
I live in a strongly Republican state and there is no avebury Aug 2012 #8
It is on my personal page. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #10
I know you said you don't have a personal relationship with him but nc4bo Aug 2012 #12
I am thinking about messaging him privately, Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #14
Believe me, I understand nc4bo Aug 2012 #15
I have thought about an anonymous FB account. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #16
My name on FB is not my real name :) Hint-hint. nc4bo Aug 2012 #17
Iris is the Tennesse state flower. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #19
2 more things.... nc4bo Aug 2012 #21
Have you considered just replying something like this: avebury Aug 2012 #18
I really like what you are saying here. cilla4progress Aug 2012 #24
It IS a shame and we do ourselves as a country a huge disservice by not looking at things nc4bo Aug 2012 #25
I wish that we were living in a country avebury Aug 2012 #26
I used to live in that time in my head, too. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #30
First of all, may I say, cilla4progress Aug 2012 #31
Maybe we are a match!! LOL! Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #32
Excellent! cilla4progress Aug 2012 #34
Perhaps a little nugget of information planted in the right place may cause a little thought. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #35
Cock-eyed optimists, I guess we are cilla4progress Aug 2012 #36
Damn! Y'er GOOD, girl! summerschild Aug 2012 #37
Thank you .... I wrote articles for three or four years during the early Bush years. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #39
The volume got turned up when Clinton was in, but many of the same powerful players, summerschild Aug 2012 #40
Yes, I have read that book. It is excellent. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #42
Hi! I'm a gal from Tennessee, too! summerschild Aug 2012 #11
Thanks, it is my personal page. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #13
Being originally from a small Tennessee town too summerschild Aug 2012 #27
Thanks, and I think you are right that he WILL hear. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #33
As a former Marine I can tell you this is how a salute is done properly.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #20
Very interesting! cilla4progress Aug 2012 #22
I would just post the actual information gollygee Aug 2012 #28
I am still undecided about what to do, if anything. Tennessee Gal Aug 2012 #29
Rebut with facts and chastise him for "bearing false witness", Lars39 Aug 2012 #41

no_hypocrisy

(46,104 posts)
2. Hate to bring this up, but if your well-written comment is connected to you in your small town,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

you risk losing your job.

1. Small town
2. Local minister
3. Your message will challenge the status quo (republicans) who won't want to find alternative facts. All they'll acknowledge is that you challenged their beliefs.

Wish I were wrong.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
38. I agree with you - you are entirely correct (and my family is from Tennessee)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:33 PM
Aug 2012

I live now in Maryland, but most of my relatives are still there. I used to return for summer visits and reunions, but I have cut way back on that.

As a young child, I was taught to think as most young people reared in that area are taught. When my father relocated the family to the Washington, DC metro area, I was a fourth grader. Living here and being educated here totally undid the brainwashing I had experienced in my early years, and I am the only Democrat in my family.

I find myself deeply saddened by the fact that I cannot regardless of what sources of reference I submit change anyone's mind about any subject. A prime example of that was when Bush* ran for office in 2000. I openly told everyone who would listen he was not qualified to be president and would tank this Country the same way he had tanked the State of Texas. No one believed me. When the controversy over the recount arose, I participated in deadly arguments defending Gore and attacking the Republicans for actually being the ones attempting to steal the election. No movement from family members who still celebrate his occupation of the White House with fond memories of the man. They all listen to Fox News and that is the only source that counts.

In small towns, there is no such thing as keeping a secret. I strongly feel Tennessee Gal's activities will generate a lot of notice and probably complaints from those who both know her politics and know where she works. There is no logical reference that will change anyone's mind on any subject in that area; and that is exactly why the State as a whole always votes against its own best interest.

The loss of a job in this economy is something that one does not easily recover from. I personally would not take the risk because there is a lot of doubt that should she proceed, no one will accept the validity of the sources she submits for authentication of her position. It is like -- to use a trite phrase -- arguing with a brick wall.

One small success I have had over the last ten years though is this. One brother, who lives in Florida finally called me a couple of months ago and told me he thinks now Gore actually won that election. I couldn't believe it. He was the one I had the most prevalent knock-down, drag out arguments with FOR TWO YEARS over Bush*.

Sam

qb

(5,924 posts)
4. Rather than statements about lies & misinformation, I would address his allegations directly
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aug 2012

without focusing on the minister. Something like "This story has been debunked. Please see <link>. Here are some other non-partisan fact-checking resources."

I think facts, stated respectfully, will encourage more people to listen to what you say.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
5. Filter Who You Send It To...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:14 AM
Aug 2012

You can set up groups to segregate business from friends and even Democratic friends from rushpublican ones. My policy is to keep things light on FB...and bring my politics here. Seems to keep peace in the valley and lets me vent.

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
23. After my recent "Troubles with Facebook"
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:56 AM
Aug 2012

this is my new policy, as well. Although I kindly suggested people consider using "unsubscribe" if they are alienated by my posts!

Grateful for DU!

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
7. Normally I would say your first duty is to your conscience
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:16 AM
Aug 2012

But it sounds like you value your job and think highly of the people you work with and for. And you don't want to post anything that may reflect unfavorably on your employer, especially on the employer's facebook page.

So my opinion would be if you feel you must respond to this admittedly stupid remark, for god's sake do not do so on your business page. Post it on your personal page or get somebody else to post it for you but don't confuse business with your personal opinions. Especially don't blindside your boss by posting something he or she isn't aware of.

I have to admit I'm uncomfortable with business owners wearing their selling me their political views along with their products (Chick-fil-a comes to mind) but on the other hand, if your employer shares your political worldview, discuss it with him or her before you take any action.

Just a few thoughts. Hope it helps.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
8. I live in a strongly Republican state and there is no
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:18 AM
Aug 2012

rational discussion with most people and subtlety would go over their heads. Has the minister friended you, the company, or both on Face Book and if so, under which Face Book page did the comment show up. If it was the company Face Book page I would either hide the comment or ignore it. If it is on the company's Face Book page you need to be careful about what you put on it. If it was your personal Face Book page I would set it up to hide all of the guy's comments.

I personally do not friend Republicans, Tea Partiers or anyone belonging to any other fringe group.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
10. It is on my personal page.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:23 AM
Aug 2012

Sorry for the confusion.

Yes, he has friended me. If I filtered my friends on Facebook to include no Republicans, I would have very few "Facebook friends" in this small town.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
12. I know you said you don't have a personal relationship with him but
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
Aug 2012

you could now.

How about discussing with just him (this preacher) your concerns and how disappointed you are with his nonfactual opinion?

I feel bad for you being in this situation.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Believe me, I understand
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:38 AM
Aug 2012

Sometimes you have to put your welfare first even if you believe otherwise and I know if there's a way to say what needs to be said, you will find it.

In the real world, you must eat, if you have a family, that they eat is even more important than your need and I'm sure most of DU understand this.

Again, sorry you're going through this.

:hugs:

Just had another P.S. thought - you could always set up another anonymous FB account and post the information directly to the source. (I can't stand sitting back while someone deliberately misinforms people either!).

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
16. I have thought about an anonymous FB account.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

I may do that. However, I wonder if much attention would be paid to the postings of someone who wishes to remain anonymous.

Thanks.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
17. My name on FB is not my real name :) Hint-hint.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
Aug 2012

What's Tennessee's state flower? So it'd be Marigold + fan = marigold fan. Take the name of a street + a color = Mars Redd.



I just used Marigold as an example. Gonna have to Google your state flower.

Edit again: Ok it's an Iris. So - Iris Redding. Iris Fann. Iris Blooms. Blue Iris. Sweet Iris(es)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
21. 2 more things....
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:53 AM
Aug 2012

Use a separate email account to set it up so nothing of your personals are used.

Hotmail is good. Gmail. Yahoo. whatever just as long as it's not your personal or business acct.

Also be careful that your personal or business phone numbers are not listed in your FB info. FB is sneaky like that.

I do something similar - I do not use my real name on FB but I have ways to let those who need to know, know who I am.

I'm not super stealthy, just slightly. Who I am IRL is not plainly obvious public knowledge.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
18. Have you considered just replying something like this:
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:50 AM
Aug 2012

I prefer to refrain from political discussion on my Face Book page so that all of my friend will feel welcome to share the important events in their lives. Or something similar to that.

Edited to add that I am very careful who I friend on Face Book. I tend to like or friend animal rescue related groups, progressive pages/people, etc. Face Book is pretty much separate from my daily life (just as DU is).

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
24. I really like what you are saying here.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:02 PM
Aug 2012

However, gawrsh what a state we have gotten into where Tennessee Gal and the rest of us have to self-edit in order to remain "friends," virtual or otherwise, with people!

Was there not a time when people could hold positions and express them without it being so divisive? I still live in that time in my head.

I'm not saying that I don't struggle when I'm with certain groups of friends (usually horse people who for some reason trend red...perhaps because they are more rural and we know about the urban / rural political divide) or neighbors or most importantly FAMILY MEMBERS who are Republicans. But on a higher level, I like to believe that this is part of the objective of being human, part of our destiny and responsibility: to learn how to cooperate with those whose views differ from us, and to find that common ground!

It's part of the job of being human, isn't it?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
25. It IS a shame and we do ourselves as a country a huge disservice by not looking at things
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

more objectively.

If we can not discuss differences with our friends, family and neighbors than there is no hope of reaching them, no hope of any change, no hope of our country progressing.

There are ways - like OP is genuinely disturbed about wrong information being passed around and boy do I get her point. But there are ways around it and if she can get just one or two people to stop and question certain things, it's a start and there's hope.

She does not have to be obnoxious or rude to do this but she may have to be a bit on the cunning side to drop some knowledge of her own.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
26. I wish that we were living in a country
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
Aug 2012

where people could learn to cooperate with those whose views differ from us but I am afraid that the hatred and lies spewed by the Republicans and Tea Partiers have pretty much nixed that. All you have to do is look at the way the Republicans have operated in Congress over the last 3.5 years. I live in a state where, unless you are part of the fringe, you do have to be careful about what you say because the majority of people are not interested in open discourse. Face Book and DU is my avenue to participate in open discussion and information gathering. I do have some conservative friends but I tend to limit the amount of time that I spend with them in favor of spending more time with people of like mind.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
30. I used to live in that time in my head, too.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:20 PM
Aug 2012

But no more can do. Too many times in the past two or three years I have seen or heard people I once highly respected make outrageous nonfactual statements about "liberals" and President Obama. It is sickening.

I am a liberal and proud of it. In fact, I am a Christian liberal and very, very proud of it because I believe liberal attitudes and policies are kind and compassionate. They are also based more on facts rather than irrational rantings of lunatics.

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
31. First of all, may I say,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:45 PM
Aug 2012

I think I'm in love with you!

Kidding...somewhat... I just love that you align the teachings of a man I know as a historical figure on a par with MLK Jr. and Gandhi, Jesus, with love and compassion. I wish ALL Christians shared this view!

Admittedly, I am in almost constant turmoil (November 2nd can't get here soon enough!) about how to posture my positions with family, friends, neighbors, on FB, especially to the extent those individuals are not of my political persuasion. I am extremely fortunate in that my current employer is a progressive like me.

I guess I can only boil down any advice I might give to the following: go in with your eyes open - understanding there could be unforeseen or negative consequences for you, and be prepared to accept them. And most importantly (what I always remind myself): what you don't say today, you can always say tomorrow. Once you let the cat out of the bag so to speak, or the toothpaste out of the tube, it is darned near impossible to stuff it back in, and at the very least, extremely messy!

Good luck, TG. We've got your back here on DU!

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
32. Maybe we are a match!! LOL!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:39 PM
Aug 2012


I don't think I will let the toothpaste out of the tube right now. I will hold it in reserve, perhaps out of self-preservation due to the nature of this community. As you say, I can always say it tomorrow.

People around here who know me personally already know of my political leanings and they also know that if they say anything outrageous to me, I will come back at them with facts. Or sometimes it is best to just ask relevant questions for which they have no answers.

I will share something with you that did actually occur and I wrote about it. It is from 2003 and is a compilation of conversations I personally had with right wingers. It was published by a progressive web site.

Here it is:

Never Mind

Apparently right-wingers never let the facts get in the way of their illogic. This became appallingly clear to me recently as I listened to a group of ladies discussing politics intermittently over several days.

"Bill and Hillary Clinton are responsible for the disappearance or murder of numerous people."

Huh? Where did you get that? From Jerry Falwell?

"No, I read it somewhere."

Bill and Hillary Clinton were under the most intense scrutiny of any Americans perhaps in the history of this country. An overly zealous special prosecutor investigated them for years with unlimited federal funds. At least $60 million dollars of taxpayer funds was spent pursuing every little tidbit, every little nuance, of their word and deed by Kenneth Starr and his merry band of tyrants. They left no stone unturned in their all out pursuit of bringing down Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Logic should bring one to the conclusion that were there actions of such heinous magnitude as murder associated with the Clintons, surely Kenneth Starr would have uncovered them. He would have reveled in them. However, Starr himself concluded that the death of Vince Foster was by suicide. And the Starr report to the United States Congress included only two references to the Whitewater "scandal" and no references to Filegate or Travelgate.

Never mind.

"I am sick and tired of wasting so much money on deadbeat welfare recipients. Why don't they get off their lazy butts and go to work?"

Huh?

What percentage of the federal budget goes to paying for social welfare?

"I don't know, but whatever it is, it is too much. Most of them should get out and get a job."

Are you aware that only approximately 3.9% of the federal budget is expended on social welfare?

"Well, that is millions of dollars and most of it goes to people who don't deserve it."

Huh?

What is your source of information?

"I just know it."

How much of the average American's taxes are expended per year for social welfare?

"I don't know."

Well, the fact is that the average American taxpayer pays $400 per year for social welfare and this figure is from the late '90s. It would be lower than that now since the current administration is cutting as much as possible from social welfare while giving tax cuts to the wealthy.

How much of the average American's taxes are expended per year for corporate welfare?

"What is corporate welfare?"

Corporate welfare includes tax breaks given to large conglomerates on the pretense that they will invest in new equipment or job creation. However, these tax breaks are not tied to any requirement that the corporation uses this money for such purposes. They are free to use the money as they see fit and studies indicate that many corporations do not create jobs or invest in new equipment. Many corporations continue lay-offs while giving massive pay increases and/or bonuses to upper management.

"Well, I don't like that."

Then you should not like the fact that the same study quoted earlier showing that the average American taxpayer pays $400 per year for social welfare also shows that the average American taxpayer pays $1,400 per year for corporate welfare.

Never mind.

Okay, how much of the federal budget goes to interest payments on the national debt?

"That doesn't matter. This country will always be in debt."

Huh?

National debt does not matter. Well, approximately 19% of the federal budget is expended in paying interest on the national debt. It is the second largest expenditure of the government. What could we do with that money if the national debt were paid down? Our children, our grand children, and all future generations will be held responsible at some point for this growing problem. The national debt is growing by leaps and bounds under the Bush administration and this fact does not even include the expense of the proposed war actions in Iraq or the rebuilding of Iraq post-war, which is predicted to be at least $20 billion per year.

"Where do you get all these statistics and figures?"

I study and research.

"Well, your sources are probably biased."

The federal budget is biased?

"Well, maybe not the federal budget, but those other statistics are biased."

They come from the CBO.

"What is the CBO?"

The Congressional Budget Office.

"Well, I am sure that is a biased organization."

No, actually it is a non-partisan organization of Congress.

Never mind.

"I think Bush is right and we should be attacking Iraq."

Why?

"Because Saddam Hussein is a tyrant associated with Al Qaeda and terrorism."

Yes, Saddam Hussein is a tyrant, but what connections does he have to Al Qaeda? Did you know that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia?

"Well, Saddam Hussein hates America and he will do anything to hurt America."

That is probably true. But, in actuality, what has he done to hurt America in the previous twelve years?

"Well, he has been developing weapons of mass destruction."

He has? Did you know that in 1998 when the weapons inspectors left Iraq they estimated that about 95% of his weapons had been accounted for and destroyed?

"Well, that still leaves 5% and he can use those weapons to attack America."

Really? Wouldn't he have to have missiles or planes capable of getting those weapons to our shores?

"He probably can."

Where is the evidence that he can?

"I don't know."

Never mind.

"Colin Powell said that Saddam Hussein has been associating with Al Qaeda when he spoke to the UN."

Yes, he did, but some of the evidence he presented has been disproved or at least found to be highly questionable.

"Well, I trust the Bush administration to know what we should be doing."

Really? Have you ever heard of the PNAC?

"No, what is the PNAC?"

The Project for the New American Century.

"What is that?"

It is an organization with many of the current Bush administration among its membership, including Dick Cheney, Elliott Abrams, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz.

"So?"

So, they put out a document in September of 2000 detailing their determined goals of military buildup and global strategy. This means that the actions undertaken currently were planned prior to George W. Bush taking office. They were planning these military movements prior to the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

"So, what is wrong with that?"

Well, it brings into question their true motivations. Perhaps the terrorist attacks of 9/11 gave them the opportunity to do what they already had in mind and it is not only about fighting terrorism. Have you heard of the Carlyle Group?

"No."

The Carlyle Group is a large investment organization with interests in defense contractors, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. George H. W. Bush, John Major, and James Baker, III all work for the Carlyle Group. Peter Eisner, managing director of the Center for Public Integrity recently said, "It should be a deep cause for concern that a closely held company like Carlyle can simultaneously have directors and advisors that are doing business and making money and also advising the President of the United States."

"Oh well, that is the nature of business."

Would you be saying the same thing if it were the Clinton administration with such connections and aims of global war?

"I don't know."

Never mind.

"I know that we have to maintain a strong national defense."

Yes, we do. But doesn't it bother you a little that some of those profiting from taxpayers money spent on national defense are so closely connected to the current administration? Doesn't it bother you that the largest expense of the federal budget is defense and that the United States spends more on defense than all other countries in the world combined?

Never mind.

Project for the New American Century: http://www.newamericancentury.org/

The Carlyle Group: http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
34. Excellent!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:18 PM
Aug 2012

I think perhaps we share the misconception that we can actually change minds with facts. It's long been known that people are simply fixed in their views. The changeable few? I don't know how many that might be.

Sigh....

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
35. Perhaps a little nugget of information planted in the right place may cause a little thought.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

But as for changing minds, I don't think so just yet. Some seem to be beyond reasoning with and can never be reached.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
39. Thank you .... I wrote articles for three or four years during the early Bush years.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

If you would like to read more, please pm me and I will give you some links.

summerschild

(725 posts)
40. The volume got turned up when Clinton was in, but many of the same powerful players,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

and organizations that sought to demolish Clinton are still at it.

Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative, by David Brock (founder of Media Matters) provides tremendous insight into the people, think tanks, and foundations funded into perpetuity for the sole purpose of gaining total power of the country. Those who follow politics will recognize them and their tactics at work today.

It doesn't matter who the Democratic leader is. They will persist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock

summerschild

(725 posts)
11. Hi! I'm a gal from Tennessee, too!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:23 AM
Aug 2012

Unless your town is very different, most small towns don't have an abundance of jobs, especially jobs with benefits.

His post is galling and reflective of the general GOP/Tea Party ignorance, and I can sure understand the emotion behind your wanting to respond. And your proposed response is very measured and accurate. But I fear the consequences for you that might have.

Even without knowing how your employer would react, I think odds are high that this poster and people who share his views (you said it's mostly Republican - which most of Tennessee is, sadly) would just react with more of the same, and those would be as bad or worse than his.

If the purpose of the business Facebook page is to promote its products and services, I think your company would do better to post that political statements are inappropriate. For this one and future ones, then you will be able to just delete them without comment.

Just my thoughts.....

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
13. Thanks, it is my personal page.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:29 AM
Aug 2012

Nothing but business is ever on the store's page.

However, I am somewhat known around here for the businesses I have been involved with.

The employer (owner of the business) is computer illiterate, but he might hear about it through others.

summerschild

(725 posts)
27. Being originally from a small Tennessee town too
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

I would guess it's more likely that he WILL hear rather than he MIGHT hear.

With the level of passion involved in politics (especially this year) you're in a tough spot on Facebook because of your employment and future employment.

if you are going to just bust a gut if you don't get to say something, I like the approach offered by gb (post 4) Or just quietly defriend him.

Good luck! And while you're handy, I enjoy your posts.




Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
33. Thanks, and I think you are right that he WILL hear.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:40 PM
Aug 2012

I have decided to say nothing right now. As someone else said here, I can always say it tomorrow!

I am glad you enjoy my posts.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. As a former Marine I can tell you this is how a salute is done properly..
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:53 AM
Aug 2012

My Republican voting Marine son in law agrees..



I challenge you to find a picture of Dubya doing a similar salute in a similar situation. (not directed at the OP)..

cilla4progress

(24,731 posts)
22. Very interesting!
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
Aug 2012

I just did a whole thread on "Troubles with FB" because I received flak from a (Rethug) nephew about "alienating" family members with my political postings. After dwelling on it all week, and asking for help from other DUers here, just as you have!, I learned about unsubscribing on FB, which I nicely "suggested" my nephew do for my posts! I'm sure you know about unsubscribing.

Admittedly, I am replying to your post before reading the other comments below, but I also learned that you can limit who your post goes out to. Would that resolve the issue?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
28. I would just post the actual information
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

I'm not a fan of vagebooking, personallly, but if you want to go that way it isn't offensive.

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
29. I am still undecided about what to do, if anything.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:55 PM
Aug 2012

All of your posts have been quite informative and helpful with my thought process. I thank you all very much.

I agree with those who brought up the fact that it has become almost impossible to have an honest, informative, and open discussion about politics. I cannot pinpoint when this happened, but I do know that the radicalism of the right wing has risen to new heights thanks to the idiocy of the Tea Party.

I remember quite well (yes, I am that old) how things were during the Watergate years. I remember telling people who supported Nixon/Agnew that they were both crooks. But I also remember that it could be discussed rationally. I believe that was a turning point for the Republican Party. They knew Nixon's actions could not be defended and it really irked them. They set out from that point forward to monopolize the media and frame every issue to their advantage. Whether they were being truthful or not did not matter to them any longer because they rationalized that they would get Democrats back for what happened to Nixon.

Then came the Bill Clinton era and how they set out to "get" him by any means possible.

I absolutely despised George W. Bush in every way. At that time I was in a better position to voice my opinions and I did so, especially during the debacle of the 2000 election. I even wrote a political column for a progressive web site during those years.

Now I believe that the current level of political vitriol has risen to the point where it can be risky even expressing an opinion publicly. That happened because of the pure hatred Republicans harbor towards President Obama. We all know their unrealistic reasons for which logic does not apply. It has gotten to the point now that people once considered rational and reasonable will not tolerate any defense of President Obama nor any presentation of facts about this record that prove their positions to be wrong headed and indefensible.

So, as I watch friends on Facebook "like" right wing web sites and Romney/Ryan positions, I become sad that people I have highly respected for years are now so misguided.

I still enjoy Facebook for keeping up with folks and what they are doing. I also have found it to be beneficial to the business where I work. So, I will not be giving it up any time soon. I just have to find a way to get through this election tactfully. That is not easy.

Lars39

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41. Rebut with facts and chastise him for "bearing false witness",
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:41 PM
Aug 2012

Being very selective in who sees it, if possible.

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