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RandySF

(58,821 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 12:52 AM May 2019

The political science of why Game of Thrones' Daenerys may be a terrible queen

The problem, though, is that this kind of revolution can often replace old tyrannies with new ones. The classic examples here are 20th century communist revolutionaries like Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, and Fidel Castro — leaders who seized power in the name of the people, but ended up building structures that oppress them.

Research by scholars Jeff Colgan and Jessica Weeks suggests that these equally oppressive outcomes are not not accidents. Revolutionary leaders are often aggressive, and work to consolidate power in their own hands after the revolution. They tend to build what political scientists call “personalist” dictatorships — political systems where ultimate power is concentrated in their hands and their hands alone — and then use that power to repress political opponents and wage war abroad.

“The same characteristics that allowed revolutionaries to succeed in their domestic struggle,” Colgan and Weeks write, “also make such leaders more likely to initiate international conflict once they have obtained office.”

Daenerys fits this pattern to a tee. A woman whose iron will and ruthlessness allowed her to rise to power on Essos, and to eventually win most of Westeros to her cause, she’s clearly an effective revolutionary. But that same will to power makes her unwilling to share it, and that same ruthlessness makes her willing to go to extreme lengths to punish her enemies. Any innocents who get hurt along the way are just collateral damage.

This is clearly the final major conflict the show is setting up. Once Cersei is dispatched with — and, let’s be real, she will be dispatched with — the struggle for the shape of the post-war order will begin.


https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/6/18530772/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-4-dracarys-missandei-daenerys

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The political science of why Game of Thrones' Daenerys may be a terrible queen (Original Post) RandySF May 2019 OP
K&R Solly Mack May 2019 #1
It's ok oldtime dfl_er May 2019 #2
After this last episode, I decided that I hate Sansa. Shell_Seas May 2019 #5
My guess as to how the conflict will play out. Kablooie May 2019 #3
Jamie's dead meat... Baconator May 2019 #9
I think Dany's vision from Season 2 NewJeffCT May 2019 #10
And, of course, Cersei is pregnant. Jim__ May 2019 #4
This is what I wrote last night on another GoT thread: tblue37 May 2019 #6
I don't see Jon accepting the role of reluctant ruler. Baitball Blogger May 2019 #7
I predict Daenerys dying on a dragon superpatriotman May 2019 #8
My prediction jcgoldie May 2019 #11
My prediction: Jon, Daenyris, Cersei, and Tyrion ALL die. Dave Starsky May 2019 #12
You cannot simply replace a political or economic or social system and expect positive change Yavin4 May 2019 #13
I have never felt so much pressure to watch a TV series in my life ismnotwasm May 2019 #14

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
3. My guess as to how the conflict will play out.
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:58 AM
May 2019

Dany will lead her side to victory but is seriously injured in the process.
Jaime will be the one to finally root out and kill Cersei.
Dany dies in John's arms and John is proclaimed king.

Sansa will be appeased with John as king.

Jaime returns to the north to be with Brienne.

I expect Tyrion to remain alive and he'll have to deal with Bronn over Highgarden.
Perhaps Tyrion is given the position of lord of Highgarden himself.

Arya, I regret to say, will probably die in battle. Once the battles are over she
doesn't really have a place in society since she is a pure warrior.
I hate this but she has given clues by saying that she doesn't expect
to ever return to Winterfell.


NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
10. I think Dany's vision from Season 2
Mon May 6, 2019, 09:31 AM
May 2019

Episode 10 will come true - the falling ash surrounding the Iron Throne is because they won't have enough people on their side to storm King's Landing by force, so Dany will take it upon herself to try to torch the Red Keep from above via fire.

Jon will sacrifice himself, but Dany will later reveal to Sansa that she carries their baby and the baby will be heir to the Iron Throne. To further appease her, Sansa will also be named Warden of the North.

Arya will take Jamie's face and try to do that to get close to Cersei and to kill Cersei, but will be stopped by the Mountain who, maybe being undead can see through her disguise? The Hound will save Arya and we get Clegane Bowl. While they're fighting, the real Jamie slips in and kills Cersei, thus fulfilling the Valonqar prophecy. The Mountain kills The Hound and then Jamie. Arya escapes and maybe goes back to Braavos?

Varys will do something to stop Tyrion from supporting Dany, and we'll likely see Tyrion die soon after he sees his sister fall.

Thus, all of Dany's closest friends/loves die this season, leaving her alone and friendless on the Iron Throne.


Jim__

(14,076 posts)
4. And, of course, Cersei is pregnant.
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:53 AM
May 2019

If she has the baby before she is dispatched, and the baby survives, this baby will be in a position very similar to the position of Daenerys at the beginning of the series. A new pretender to the throne. The game continues.

tblue37

(65,343 posts)
6. This is what I wrote last night on another GoT thread:
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:05 AM
May 2019
Danaerys has lost the plot. She essentially said she would "destroy the village in order to save it." She is power mad and and and cares only about her destiny and her "right" to the throne she calls "my throne." She still claims to want to free the people from tyrants and cruelty, but she plans to use cruel and tyrannical methods to do so.

Besides her "will to power" drive to claim the throne, her only other strong motivator is revenge.

Baitball Blogger

(46,705 posts)
7. I don't see Jon accepting the role of reluctant ruler.
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:56 AM
May 2019

He won’t rule without Dany. Not happily. He would prefer to follow ghost to the north if Dany dies. I can see a twist coming where Dany loses her dragon, but learns she is pregnant with Jon’s baby. That is the one change that would allow Sansa to accept her, knowing the stark lineage will eventually make it to the throne. But dany needs Jon by her side to temper her worst instincts - those pointed out in the original thread above.

Oh, and dany had a dream that the throne was split in two. So why can’t that mean that a king and queen rule together?

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
12. My prediction: Jon, Daenyris, Cersei, and Tyrion ALL die.
Mon May 6, 2019, 09:52 AM
May 2019

Peter Dinklage wakes up in a bed with Lena Headey and tells her about the crazy medieval dream he just had.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
13. You cannot simply replace a political or economic or social system and expect positive change
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:27 AM
May 2019

You have to replace all three over time. That's the real reason why "Communist" revolutions fail to deliver the change that people hoped for.

Revolutionaries tend to mimic the oppressive systems that they were raise under. "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".

For real change to happen, people need to develop new political systems over time, gradually change their economic systems, and resolve bitter social injustices through reconciliation and forgiveness.

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
14. I have never felt so much pressure to watch a TV series in my life
Mon May 6, 2019, 11:36 AM
May 2019

It’s like, everywhere, and people are enjoying themselves. I love high fantasy but didn’t love those particular books, so I never got into it. Fun watching a cultural phenomenon though.

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