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grumpyduck

(6,277 posts)
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:12 PM May 2019

It bothers me how the story on T's losses is being handled

Please bear with me on this... I'm not going where it may appear I'm going.

And I'm going to leave his name out of it, because I would say the same thing about anybody else.

The clips and write-ups I've seen so far on the story all push how much money he lost and therefore what a con and bad businessperson he was. But according to the NYT story, the available information doesn't prove he LOST that much money, only that he REPORTED losing it.

That's two separate and different things. Saying he lost it will generate conversations about why he lost it and whether it matters -- and one talking head is already making excuses and blaming it on the economy back then. OTOH, saying he reported it will generate conversations about whether the tax returns were truthful. I happen to believe the second one is more important than the first.

Let's not forget that this individual didn't just sit down at the kitchen table and fill out a five-or-six-page return like many of us mere mortals: there was a small army (okay, maybe a platoon) of tax specialists doing those taxes, and I have to believe they knew all the tricks and loopholes. Somebody had to sign those returns, asserting, under penalty of perjury, that they were truthful

So, for my money, I wish the pundits and reporters focused on his REPORTING he lost the money, instead of on his LOSING it.

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It bothers me how the story on T's losses is being handled (Original Post) grumpyduck May 2019 OP
yes. barbtries May 2019 #1
Much of the latest revelations is not new but rehashed and updated... TreasonousBastard May 2019 #2
Michael Cohen testified that Chump understated his income on his tax filings FakeNoose May 2019 #3
Here's my take... lame54 May 2019 #4
Tax Fraud is the term that should be in play. maxsolomon May 2019 #5
that's a good point--thank you! nt renate May 2019 #6
It is both Trenzalore May 2019 #7
Completely agree. Also.., lostnfound May 2019 #8

barbtries

(28,817 posts)
1. yes.
Wed May 8, 2019, 01:43 PM
May 2019

huge fraud going on. you are absolutely right. i think he's actually bragged about inflating losses.
the beauty of this is, if he says those numbers were lies, then he's nailed himself for tax fraud. he's in a catch 22. so what was his response? "fake news"? "witch hunt"?

anyhow i'm in that bad place today wherein none of it matters because the motherfucker gets away with everything and the country is doomed because republicans have power and they don't believe in democracy.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Much of the latest revelations is not new but rehashed and updated...
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:14 PM
May 2019

stories from over the years.

Everyone in New York knew he was full of it and just a real estate wanna-be who was desperate to hang out with the big boys and girls. His first excursion into the business was the Commodore Hotel, which he bought when its owner, NY Central RR went belly-up. The "Commodore" was Commodore Vanderbilt who built the railroad and the hotel to service Grand Central Station.

He would have put his name on it, but he only owned 49% so the Hyatt name went on it. Turns out that not trusting Trump to actually run the place was a good idea-- while blowing through billions buying up Central Park South, screwing up the Bonwit Teller building and other such nonsense, it was reported that his only profitable holding was the Grand Hyatt. And that was because Hyatt was running it, not Trump.

Alexander's, The Plaza Hotel, Trump Air, Jersey Generals, Trump Steaks, etc., etc.-- he really, really sucks at money management and corporate operations.









FakeNoose

(32,849 posts)
3. Michael Cohen testified that Chump understated his income on his tax filings
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:21 PM
May 2019

... and he did it routinely - every year - to keep his tax bill as low as possible. To many of us it looks like tax fraud but apparently the IRS did audit him and OK'ed it.

We're looking at 30-year-old information, don't forget. Chump filed these during the years he had 4 bankruptcies. What's more relevant would be his recent filings from the last 10 years. Those are the ones we haven't seen, and they would tell the most about gifts/loans from the Russians etc.

maxsolomon

(33,444 posts)
5. Tax Fraud is the term that should be in play.
Wed May 8, 2019, 02:47 PM
May 2019

He is a blatant tax evading criminal.

How did he get away with it? Did his lawyers intimidate IRS employees?

We may never know unless the Dems regain power and decide to lance the boil, instead of letting bygones be bygones (again).

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
7. It is both
Wed May 8, 2019, 05:10 PM
May 2019

He sucked as a businessman and he filed fraudulent returns.

There is a reason after the 1990s most banks wouldn't take a call from him. He also probably inflated how much money he lost to carry forward if he ever decided to report income.

If he is still claiming to be rich and that he played the system legally democrats need to take this as an opportunity to discuss the system that allows a supposedly rich person to not pay taxes.

If we were smart there is no way we can lose on this issue because nothing in it can feasibly make him look good.

lostnfound

(16,194 posts)
8. Completely agree. Also..,
Wed May 8, 2019, 07:21 PM
May 2019

The irregularities of them include massive fluctuations in sources of income. Irregular and pointing toward fraud.

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