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We are going to start a war with Iran to cover up Trump's fuck-ups! (Original Post) sarabelle May 2019 OP
Will the Congress open up the checkbook without limits RandiFan1290 May 2019 #1
Congress should say NO! ProudMNDemocrat May 2019 #19
You also need to thank more than one Senator running for POTUS for continuing the funding ehrnst May 2019 #23
Will the generals and admirals be okay with Ilsa May 2019 #2
They don't give a shit! They are in the business and love bombing and killing those "others." sarabelle May 2019 #3
Yup, they already made up contingency plans watoos May 2019 #13
WTF??? atreides1 May 2019 #29
... 2naSalit May 2019 #16
I wouldn't say that would be the only reason...given that they put John Fucking Bolton in as NSA anarch May 2019 #4
Not going to happen malaise May 2019 #5
I agree, watoos May 2019 #14
Nicely put malaise May 2019 #15
Putin will win that, but trump can appear to satisfy all three... similar to venezuela lostnfound May 2019 #21
Exactly, look what happened to all the plans to attack Venezuela Farmer-Rick May 2019 #18
Link please wasupaloopa May 2019 #6
Is trump going after the Iran oil for putin? duforsure May 2019 #7
I do not think that will happen. However, if they are stupid enough to do a pre-emptive attack on still_one May 2019 #8
"We are going to start a war with Iran..." johannsyah May 2019 #9
This would be the F up to end all F ups. gordianot May 2019 #10
On election night, I was taken over by the paralyzing fear dewsgirl May 2019 #11
I don't know that even the military understands that a war with Iran won't be easy Perseus May 2019 #12
The refrain..."Hell no, we won't go" will return...... ProudMNDemocrat May 2019 #22
Oh I think they do DownriverDem May 2019 #25
and oddly a war with Iran would be his grandest fuck up. nt Javaman May 2019 #17
This is probably one of Trump's purposely leaked threats he has no intention of following through on Freethinker65 May 2019 #20
Won't matter to me DownriverDem May 2019 #24
Our provocations make it more likely that fissile material will cross the Pakistani border into Iran Ponietz May 2019 #26
And, the media will be cheerleaders for this war NewJeffCT May 2019 #27
"I could shoot someone...and not lose any of my supporters" world wide wally May 2019 #28
The day John Bolton joined the Trump regime Golden Raisin May 2019 #30

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
19. Congress should say NO!
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:36 AM
May 2019

The Pentagon's over bloated budget should suffice.

Rescind the $1.5 Trillion tax cut .

There will be marches in the streets unseen since Vietnam. Iran is a sophisticated nation with thousands of years of history in warfare. The Persian Empire could not best a United Greece, but they conquered a lot of territory in the process. A war with Iran would be folly and kill tens of thousands of Americans. Trump wants blood on his hands while he goes golfing in Florida every weekend.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. You also need to thank more than one Senator running for POTUS for continuing the funding
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:55 AM
May 2019

for that war....

And one voted for military intervention in Iraq twice in 1998...

In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Yup, they already made up contingency plans
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:48 AM
May 2019

to send 120,000 US soldiers to Iran.

Congress needs to reinstate the draft, now.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
4. I wouldn't say that would be the only reason...given that they put John Fucking Bolton in as NSA
Tue May 14, 2019, 06:45 AM
May 2019

and the fact that Iran has been on Netanyahu's hit list for going on 25 years now or something (since his first tenure as prime minister in the '90s), and that the PNAC crew never quite finished their agenda after their "window of opportunity" with 9/11, etc.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. I agree,
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:54 AM
May 2019

Putin backed Assad in Syria because he favors an Iran/Iraq gas pipeline that has to go through Syria and on to Europe.

Trump probably has one of the hardest decisions of his presidency to make; Bibi and MBS are pulling on one of his arms and Putin is pulling on the other.

malaise

(268,997 posts)
15. Nicely put
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:56 AM
May 2019

The problem is that he is too ignorant and uninformed to make any decision - the fool is being played by all sides

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
21. Putin will win that, but trump can appear to satisfy all three... similar to venezuela
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:41 AM
May 2019

Tough talk and threats, actions against them that are less than all-out war, makes hawks against Iran (and Venezuela) happy, but a consequence is that it destroys any internal desire within Iran (and Venezuela) to align better with the U.S., thus driving Iran (and Venezuela) ever closer to Russia.

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
18. Exactly, look what happened to all the plans to attack Venezuela
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:35 AM
May 2019

when Putin stepped in, suddenly we don't hear so much about attacking Venezuela.

This is just so predictable.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Is trump going after the Iran oil for putin?
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:24 AM
May 2019

Do they want to get a larger hold on oil reserves world wide? Putin is all about taking a larger scale of resources anywhere he can, and have others working doing that for him. Aluminium , oil, and other much needed resources to control . Its also a welcomed distraction for them both , and away from russia and putin , and like Bush did with Iraq. Make up stuff to use to attack , and claim they had no choice. His lies will be very much the same as W Bush did to invade Iraq with. His claims they are threatening us is the opposite of the truth, he's doing everything he can to threaten them, and start another un-needed war , again, and again all based on lies and will drive the debt up even higher causing interest rates to skyrocket up, costing us even more. Is putin using trump to set us up now for failures in many area's including our economy, and national security?

still_one

(92,190 posts)
8. I do not think that will happen. However, if they are stupid enough to do a pre-emptive attack on
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:33 AM
May 2019

Iran, it won't cover-up trump's f**k-ups.

With the trade war, (which doesn't just affect China and the U.S. but our European allies, along with North Korea, a war with Iran would be a disaster, and it is naïve to believe that it would just involved Iran. The entire middle east would explode.

I also do not believe the American people would support it, and that would show up in the upcoming election, along with a faltering economy due to higher prices that will result from his trade war




gordianot

(15,238 posts)
10. This would be the F up to end all F ups.
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:42 AM
May 2019

Let’s see what you got when your sole real source of income is so easily flammable and all your shipping goes through narrow sea lanes. Never mind the vast populations of religious fanatics residing in that area.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
11. On election night, I was taken over by the paralyzing fear
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:42 AM
May 2019

this fool was going to get us nuked. I assumed this would occur soon. I have learned a lot since then, but still have this gnawing fear in the back of my mind. I just keep praying other countries realize it's him not us.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
12. I don't know that even the military understands that a war with Iran won't be easy
Tue May 14, 2019, 07:47 AM
May 2019

Iran is very well prepared, it is not an Iraq. This would be the buffoon's worst mistake, even bigger than Iraq was for the other buffoon GW. It seems the "Trump Party" is full of buffoons, even when it was called the "Republican Party".

Why can't people realize that every time the "Trump Party" is in power the economy goes to crap, we get into useless badly planned wars and are never greeted as liberators.

If there is anyone with any brains in this administration, Venezuela should be the target, that is the easiest win for them, it would be as easy as when GHW went to Granada, but because they don't have brains and the orders from their boss, Putin, are contradictory to that, they may end up engaging in another monumental war where the odds of succeeding are not good.

This will try the military, do they have any sense? will they hold their patriotic hearts to refuse going there? We shall see.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
22. The refrain..."Hell no, we won't go" will return......
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:41 AM
May 2019

For to sacrifice tens of thousands of Americans for Trump's ego would be telling. The number of injured would wipe out those from Afghanistan and Iraq. Thee will be marches in the streets for sure by Americans and Vwteran's groups.

A war with Iran would also see gas prices spike well into the $4 per or more per gallon because of the Persian Gulf would be closed.

Trump's folly.

Freethinker65

(10,021 posts)
20. This is probably one of Trump's purposely leaked threats he has no intention of following through on
Tue May 14, 2019, 08:39 AM
May 2019

Trump uses such threats to watch everyone go into a frenzy. It proves to himself that he does have power to disrupt and destabilize....much like when he manipulates the stock market and world economy with talks of trade wars and tariffs and demands on the Fed. Perfect time to make some easy money for himself and "friends".

Disaster capitalism with a boost to Trump's ego is the goal.

Ponietz

(2,970 posts)
26. Our provocations make it more likely that fissile material will cross the Pakistani border into Iran
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:22 AM
May 2019

If it hasn’t already.

Our own DOE doesn’t know where tons the stuff is and it goes missing regularly:

[link:https://www.wired.com/2011/09/uranium-mia/|

[link:http://time.com/5339899/san-antonio-missing-plutonium/|

[link:https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/07/us/university-lost-plutonium-trnd/index.html|

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
27. And, the media will be cheerleaders for this war
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:30 AM
May 2019

Remember, in 2017, Trump launched a few missiles into Syria and we got round the clock coverage of the airstrike for several days and Trump got a temporary bump in the polls.

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
30. The day John Bolton joined the Trump regime
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:50 AM
May 2019

as National Security Adviser I said to myself. "We'll be in a war sometime and somewhere soon --- Venezuela, Iran, N. Korea --- fill in the blank." Totally depressing. Bolton is ALWAYS champing at the bit to start and engage in war and now Trump needs a massive diversion.

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