It sure is a good thing Hillary wasn't elected

[EffieBlack]

Can you imagine what a mess the country would be in if she had been?

I can only imagine the divisiveness, the corruption, the investigations, the trampled rights, and all of the other elements in the parade of horrible that would have ensued.

Dodged THAT bullet, didn't we?

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, Trump warned us if we voted for her there would be endless investigations he was right /sarcasm

[George II]

9. I've been saying similar for two plus years. He said, "if you vote for Clinton.....

....you'll get a president under investigation on day one."

I voted for Clinton, and we got a president under investigation on day one (actually even earlier!)

[kag]

34. I remember the morning after the election...

Once I stopped crying I told my husband, "I'll be damned. He was right. The election WAS rigged."

[LisaM]

2. We definitely wouldn't have this slew of anti-abortion legislation.

States are doing this because they believe they have a Supreme Court who will overturn Roe v. Wade, in practice, if not in theory.

[maxsolomon]

4. They've been ratcheting up their state legislation for decades.

Death by a 1000 cuts.

Was there even a clinic that provided Abortion Services left in AL?

[George II]

10. I think there's only one in Mississippi.

[yellowdogintexas]

81. I think KY is down to one also and it is endangered

Texas has nothing between I-35 and El Paso, unless there is something in the Panhandle somewhere. Women living in the southwest part of Texas have no resource except Mexico (risky due to bad providers), black market drugs from Mexico, and the old pre Roe backalley horrors. These women cannot afford a trip to Austin, San Antonio, Houston or DFW for any reason. Texas wants a waiting period for the woman to "think about the ramifications", ultrasounds, which means at least 2 overnights and that adds to the cost.

[Funtatlaguy]

3. It would have been non stop email investigations

[mcar]

13. It would have been no Gorsuch, no Kavanaugh

No RWNJ judges all over the place.

[Cosmocat]

26. True - at the same time there would not be ANY SCJs ...

No chance McConnell or the Rs would have let Hillary seat one.

[John Fante]

29. That would have put the 2018 senate in jeopardy for the pukes.

Assuming they didn't lose it in 2016.

[mcar]

44. That would still be better than what we have now

[jmowreader]

25. I'm not sure about that

If Hillary would have been elected president, she probably would have brought a Democratic Congress along with her. The leadership of same would have told the minority, "no. You've investigated her 500 times and found nothing. The 501st time is not going to give you any different results, so the investigations are over. Right now."

[Cosmocat]

27. Yep

Hillary would have been a darn good POTUS, but people don't get how horrible the Rs would have been, and how much the country would have indulged their bullshit (buying it, blaming Hillary) and Ds leaving her out there to take the hits like they always do ...

[machoneman]

80. True but the R-scums have destroyed much of their future election potential for decades....

and since demographics favor us, it may be, even in light of red states efforts to limit voting, we've seen the last Republican president for the next 3-5 cycles, if ever again. We can only hope.

[spooky3]

5. It's hard to imagine anyone more imperfect, or a weaker candidate.

I can’t think of anyone.

[maxsolomon]

6. We'd have Neocon Neoliberalism!

And we'd be in a war!

Wait, we're already in 2...

[EffieBlack]

7. This is much better. The revolution will come faster now. If we survive!

[LibFarmer]

20. Time is now ripe for the "revolution"

as soon as we defeat all the centrist "Establishment" Democrats.

Soldiers, get your pitchforks and torches ready ....

[barbtries]

8. don't make me cry.

we have been deprived of our rightful president. it's amazing how she keeps trucking after what was done to her.

[Eliot Rosewater]

11. Dont be shocked when many folks start whining about ANY D candidate without initials BS

[mcar]

12. I will never not be angry about this

All the so-called progressives who said the Supreme Court wasn't a big deal, who pushed the "Hillary is corrupt" canard, and, of course, the "Hillary is worse than Trump" idiocy.

[SunSeeker]

23. +1

[sheshe2]

60. Like SS.

Damn her black soul.

[ecstatic]

68. +1000. It sucks to watch our society implode

in real time. I really hope I'm wrong.

[mcar]

69. I'm getting more concerned every day

Some lines have been crossed that I fear we can't come back from.

[BlueMTexpat]

78. +1!

Although the tears stopped on the outside, they never have on the inside.

[thesquanderer]

14. Sadly, I think the divisiveness would have been about the same either way. (n/t)

[lunamagica]

16. Divisiveness? What about the supreme court, babies in cages, all this horrific nightmare we're

living now?

[John Fante]

30. Charlottesville, transgender ban, a neo-nazi (Miller) crafting WH policy.

None of that would have happened with HRC as president.

[thesquanderer]

41. I didn't say all that stuff would be the same, just that I think we'd be just as divided. (n/t)

[lunamagica]

46. It would be wonderful if divisivness was our worst problem. The way things are now, divisivness

is the least of our problems.

[thesquanderer]

72. Agreed. (n/t)

[uponit7771]

73. +1

[SunSeeker]

24. Huh?

[ismnotwasm]

35. No, it wouldn't

[thesquanderer]

42. You think all the Trump voters would suddenly not hate Hillary?

No, they'd probably hate her even more.

So the blue-red divide would be no better than it is today.

[lunamagica]

74. So what? What are you saying/ that we are better off now without her?

[thesquanderer]

76. Where the heck did I say anything like that??

Of course we'd be much better off with HRC as pres! For too many reasons to list. I just don't think we'd have less divisiveness, that's the subject I was replying about.

[thesquanderer]

43. see post #42

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212099922#post42

[lunamagica]

15. Oh, but revolution! It's all worth it, all worth it, I tell ya!

ETA: It will always hurt, always hirt that we didn't get to have this amazing woman as president

[B Stieg]

17. I love the smell of emails in the morning

Despite her policy shortcomings, there's no question we WOULD be so much better off in EVERY way had Hillary won.

[StevieM]

21. I don't know if you are being serious about the headline, but the DNC did no such thing.

Nor could they have if they had wanted to.

Bernie lost fair and square. He had every opportunity to win, and he couldn't do it. Nothing the DNC did got in his way. The voters just didn't want to nominate him.

[ProudLib72]

19. We wouldn't have anything to discuss on the forums!

Well, the Lounge would continue to exist. Always plenty of cat pictures to post.

Nirvana would be so boring...

[Cosmocat]

22. It would have been a different type of hell

Hillary would have been a darn fine POTUS, just as BHO was, but the republicans would be bat shit crazy, the "liberal media" would be blaming her and advancing whatever crazy shit the Rs were screaming about, and someone would have died, literally, had she tried to seat at SCJ.

The executive branch would not be completely dysfunctional and being gutted like it is now.

But, we would not have won the House last fall, Hillary would be getting nothing but impeached by congress and the country would absolutely be indulging republican jackassery, and Trump would very likely end up being POTUS with an actual "mandate" in 2020.

We were at a breaking point one way or another ...

[John Fante]

31. I'll take this version of hell any day over the plague that

is infesting the oval office right now.

[lunamagica]

32. So would I

[Cosmocat]

52. I as well, but

we would have pretty much ended up here four years later.

[John Fante]

56. Disagree. Had Trump lost, he'd be a bad memory, but little more.

He'd never win the nomination again.

It's amazing that people still downplay how singularly awful he has been for this country.

[Cosmocat]

67. Ok

Its lost on you ...

[lunamagica]

37. You are making a LOT of assumptions there. We are living a real hellish nightmare now

[EffieBlack]

39. A Clinton presidency would have been exponentially better, but people wouldn't know it

They would have been fed a steady diet - with heaping helpings from our own side - about what an awful, disappointing, failed, corrupt (because did you hear about that deputy assistant secretary over at one of the departments who resigned because he filed his financial disclosure form a week after the deadline?) president she was and how it might have been SO much better to have taken a chance on Trump because how bad could he have been - especially since he was all talk and would NEVER have done all those crazy things he threatened and at least he would have brought new ideas and a new way of thinking to Washington, unlike Hillary blah blah blah ...

[Cosmocat]

49. Right

nm

[betsuni]

71. This is exactly what would happen.

[LiberalLovinLug]

40. I have to agree

Of course all in all, we would still be a much better place. For the SCOTUS, Repukes would have to allow her to finally seat Garland, if that's who she chose, and even the next one as it was open very shortly after the election as well.

And avoid the many other federal appointed judges around the country, which are being stuffed with pro-Trump a-holes.

We wouldn't have pulled out of the Paris climate accord, or went to war with the allies, and coddled Putin. The ACA would be intact and worked on to improve it, rather than dismantle it with a thousand cuts. On and on....



But please.....you are living in a fantasy if one thinks the country would not be as divided. Trump would never have stopped Tweeting. As well he'd have even more time to have more rallies all the time, which the MSM would dutifully cover. As well we'd be well into an impeachment based on her email server usage. The senate would refuse to pass any legislation, even if we had won the House. Which we would have lost with a Red Wave last November.

[Cosmocat]

50. Yep

nm

[NYMinute]

28. At least our principles held and we remain "pure"

[ffr]

33. She would have wanted a military parade down D.C. to honor her ego.

She and the democrats would have been able to move stagnating wages along for the middle-class, promoted, not torn down the ACA.

And CO2 is at 415 PPM, something humans have never been around to witness. We're fucked!!!

[Peace06]

36. Hillary

We, the People, DID ELECT HILLARY! The cheating and the Russians elected trump. God help us all. When will it end? I hope Mueller will be forthcoming in his House testimony so that Dems can proceed with ridding our country of this nightmare.

[Hassler]

38. Susan Saranwrap is relieved warmonger Hillary isn't around

To start a war with Iran.

[Raster]

75. We know one thing for sure: Hilary Clinton would NOT have even let Bolton* through the front door..

...much less give him an opportunity to do what he does best: warmongering.

[Skittles]

45. she would have been a great president

whenever I hear someone say they HATE Hillary Clinton, I am reminded just how well propaganda works

[aikoaiko]

54. Hey, you're back. Welcome back.

Many asses have gone unkicked while you were away.

[sop]

47. The anti-Hillary crowd seemingly went mad in 2016

"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." ~ Charles Mackay, from "Extraordinary Popular Delusions," 1841, exploring and documenting mass delusions, or the "madness of crowds."

Let's hope they recover their senses by 2020.

[aka-chmeee]

48. Inside of two years they would have impeached or assassinated Hillary and Tim

And Paul Ryan would be president.

[patphil]

51. There is a silver lining in all of this

Americans are getting a chance to see just how bad a president can be, and to what extent the Republican party is willing to go the get their way.
GOP = Greed Over People.
Of course it's much worse than that.
Republicans have made it clear it's their way or the highway.
Screw the constitution. Even George W. Bush said that the constitution was, "only a goddam piece of paper".
Now Trump and his people wipe their asses with it daily.

So, true Americans have a choice; stand and deliver!
Take our country back and Make America Great Again in the real sense.
Here's to a Trump free future!

Patrick Phillips

[lunamagica]

62. Yeah, revolution! You sound like Sarandon here. I'm sorry, but there is no silver lining to this

tragedy and the thousands of lives it has destroyed.

Americans have seen over and over how bad a president can be, but here we are again. You mentioned Bush. Sure, after him screwing the constitution we would make sure it wouldn't happen again.

And here we are.

trump free future? the malignant effects of his presidency will be with us for generations.

There is no silver lining.

[MRDAWG]

53. But we would not have Kavanaugh and Gorsuch**

*

[Catch2.2]

55. Seriously!

It is really unbelievable that Traitor Trump has an approval rating in the double digits

[Gothmog]

57. We certainly dodged a bullet

Seriously, the SCOTUS was on the ballot ins 2016 and I will never forgive the stein and other voters who are responsible for trump's election

[comradebillyboy]

58. Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahna Joy Grey

and Cornell West all agree with you on that, except they meant it.

[treestar]

59. It would have been awful to have a President who is a warmongering

corporatist indebted to the oligarchs - oh, wait.

[sheshe2]

61. yeah, we sure did.

Where are the children?

[MFM008]

63. Those e mails

And lord help us....establishment........
Thank god someones in office that would never do that.

[brer cat]

64. K&R

[NurseJackie]

65. I know that Susan Sarandon is very relieved. And...

I know that Susan Sarandon is very relieved. And... by the way: FUCK SUSAN SARANDON!!

[Hekate]

66. KnR with great wrath

[betsuni]

70. It would be "Thanks, Hillary!" every day.

Republicans ecstatic, Fox News delirious, tabloids splashing a different Bill Clinton scandal on their covers every week, Justice Democrat/Our Revolution types predicting world war any minute, the Internet overflowing with exciting conspiracy theories. Everything would be Hillary's fault and everyone would be happily angry victims every day.

[still_one]

77. Roe is at risk, war with Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Trade War, War on the environment, the SC,

draconian judicial appointments, healthcare, the whittling down of Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Worker's Rights, etc. etc. etc.

How is your bullshit working out for you Susan Sarandon, and the other jackasses that voted for Jill Stein and encouraging others to do likewise?

It didn't take much either to impact it along with Comey, the foreign interference, and we lost two SC appointments because of that.

[chwaliszewski]

79. Ah, sarcastic lamenting. This always helps.