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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:35 AM Aug 2012

The Rude Pundit - The Republican Strategy: The Ni@@erization of the Democratic Party

Let's cut through the bullshit here, much like Chris Matthews did on Morning Starbucks with Joe today. The GOP strategy right now is simple: The Democratic Party is a bunch of niggers, with a nigger leading them. Do you want to be a nigger lover or, even worse, a nigger yourself?

See, it's not enough that Mitt Romney and his filthy minions marginalize the President by turning him into an angry black foreigner through idiotic jokes, heh-heh. No, they have to turn one of the coolest, mellowest men of any race and transform him into the vicious, rage-filled child of Malcolm X and Frantz Fanon. They have to go after his likability, his perceived strength, as Rove would want, and make us look at Barack Obama and only see the seething native, waiting to spear the poor, misunderstood colonizers and take their money to give to the rest of the Hottentots.

But they need to go further. It's not enough to make it seem like Democrats follow a cannibal bastard. Instead, the strategy has become to make simply being a Democrat associated with the dirty, poverty, hands-out part of humanity. The niggers, if you will. Romney told USA Today (motto: "Every once in a while, news gets in here&quot , regarding the waivers on welfare reform, that the President was just trying to "shore up his base" by, in essence, sending the word that the niggers won't have to work for that welfare check and can keep stealing from the rest of us. Even if the truth is the exact opposite, Romney keeps repeating it and flogging that lie like it's a ... well, you know.

With recent polls showing that the GOP couldn't get a black vote even if Romney took Rihanna as a sister-wife and the Hispanic vote limited mostly to a few Cuban-Americans, apparently they've more or less said, "Oh, fuck it" and not only played the race card but an entire race hand. That's the game now. How many whites, especially white males, feel so uncomfortable in a room with non-whites that they would vote for whatever white guys are running against Obama?

Once again, it demonstrates how little the Republicans have to actually campaign on. And how many parts of the nation they have alienated. But there's something else going on here, and it gets back to that notion that's part of that fucking idiotic documentary that Dinesh D'Souza shat out about Obama as trying to get vengeance against the colonizers for his father.

With this being an incredibly white ticket of an incredibly white political party (90% of Republicans are white), what the GOP is doing in this election is to make a last stand for the innate good of the white male, the white patriarchy, if you will, as knowing best how everyone should behave. When they say, as Romney has, that they are what's best for women and non-whites, the not-so-subtle message is the same as every pasty European who ever confronted the natives after walking off a boat: "We may want to strip you of all your natural resources and enslave you, but you can put your trust in us. As long as you don't try to stop us, we won't hurt you."

In other words, it's not the rage of Barack Obama that's driving this election. It's the rage of the white colonizers who are afraid of losing any of their power over the colonized.

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The Rude Pundit - The Republican Strategy: The Ni@@erization of the Democratic Party (Original Post) meegbear Aug 2012 OP
LOVE the Rude Pundit. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #1
wow dude nails it nt steve2470 Aug 2012 #2
As someone who routinely alerts on the "n-word" I hope this post stands. This is the exceptional... Scuba Aug 2012 #3
Just served on the jury...6-0 voted to leave. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #23
Thanks for letting me know that. Scuba Aug 2012 #24
:-) meegbear Aug 2012 #35
At least we can be content in the knowledge that the word police are still working hard Major Nikon Aug 2012 #44
You're right tavalon Aug 2012 #40
Yup, context is everything. Zalatix Aug 2012 #45
Spot On, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2012 #4
YESSIR!! FatIrishBastard Aug 2012 #27
Well said from this half Italian Dago and half ArnoldLayne Aug 2012 #33
I'm second generation born in America Irish (paternal), Irish/Welsh/English (maternal) FatIrishBastard Aug 2012 #34
The welfare ads are where they went all-in on the race-based strategy. dawg Aug 2012 #5
K&R flamingdem Aug 2012 #6
Wow! ann--- Aug 2012 #7
Romney doesn't even deserve the use of the term "dog-whistle" (Seamus aside), bullwinkle428 Aug 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author ewagner Aug 2012 #9
Oh Hell yes! 99Forever Aug 2012 #10
I had to google Frantz Fanon... RevStPatrick Aug 2012 #11
RevStPatrick LoisB Aug 2012 #12
Looks fascinating. RevStPatrick Aug 2012 #14
I read it as part of a Philosophy class in college ... meegbear Aug 2012 #20
And this "rage" manifests into violence ... Auggie Aug 2012 #13
everything heaven05 Aug 2012 #15
I've witnessed this trend personally. JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #16
ZMOG !!! ozsea1 Aug 2012 #17
Race Card Elliemama Aug 2012 #18
A couple reasons: VWolf Aug 2012 #22
I have to agree.... Historic NY Aug 2012 #19
yep--along with the feminizing of the Democratic Party--they're nothing but a bunch of girly men librechik Aug 2012 #21
"in the teenage soul of the Republican Party." Johnny Noshoes Aug 2012 #25
sad tho--they never get any older than 13. librechik Aug 2012 #28
Some of us white hard hatted American union members... Hubert Flottz Aug 2012 #31
well said. n/t librechik Aug 2012 #42
Break it down! That's what the political parties have been rooted on since Day One johnlucas Aug 2012 #26
By "immoral 3/5 of a person rule" I hope you mean they should have counted zero. ieoeja Aug 2012 #32
I called it immoral because they counted 1 human being as a fraction of a human being johnlucas Aug 2012 #39
So you would have supported their masters having even more power. ieoeja Aug 2012 #41
I think you missed the point of what I'm saying johnlucas Aug 2012 #46
The war started immediately after the south lost control of the federal government. ieoeja Aug 2012 #48
What do you think the Mason-Dixon line was all about? johnlucas Aug 2012 #49
excellent, John Lucas Skittles Aug 2012 #37
Thank you Skittles johnlucas Aug 2012 #47
AWESOME!!! Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #29
How the GOP see President Obama thelordofhell Aug 2012 #30
this is the cold, hard truth Skittles Aug 2012 #36
All the gop have are Personal ATTACKS! And, like the gop Cha Aug 2012 #38
Truth. SpartanDem Aug 2012 #43
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
3. As someone who routinely alerts on the "n-word" I hope this post stands. This is the exceptional...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

... case where use of the word is justified.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
44. At least we can be content in the knowledge that the word police are still working hard
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 12:15 AM
Aug 2012

... to keep us all safe from the bad words.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
40. You're right
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 04:50 AM
Aug 2012

It's the shock value in this piece that solidifies its truth. Replacing that repulsive word with black or African American would have destroyed its impact.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. Spot On, Sir
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

The sum of the Republican party's campaign stance is "This used to be a white man's country ---what are you going to do about it?"

"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."

FatIrishBastard

(51 posts)
27. YESSIR!!
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:31 PM
Aug 2012

FINALLY, someone saying what absolutely needs to be SHOUTED from the rooftops, what the good people in this "union" have been scared to hell & gone to ever discuss. The very core of the so-called "southern strategy", which, of course, was NEVER a strategy at all. The racist south, along with most of "entitled white male america" hates all things ethnic, hates LBJ for having the humanity to not only have done the right thing, but the ONLY thing that should & could be done. Now we have the spoiled & over indulged offspring of immigrants who have completely abandoned & rejected the legacies of their forebears. Their (G-GG-GGG-GGGG)Grandparents, the Greats who suffered, toiled & endured decades of unspeakable atrocities to make a life for their' descendants, all at the hands of the very elitist machine that still grinds people up, to this very day. The Immigrants, who endure multi-generational terrorism that continues to this very day, built America, the middle class, the infrastructure we take for granted, the industries that now are "too big to fail". These are the "job creators". These are the Good People who have enriched every facet of this society, ESPECIALLY the "rich & powerful", accruing their fortunes off the backs & the very lives of the PEOPLE they hate the most. I AM A NI@@ER LOVER. I AM A DINK LOVER, TOWELHEAD, MICK, SPIC, HEEB, SLOPE, POLOCK, PINKO, COMMIE, SOCIALIST, TAMBORINE BEATIN LIBERAL LOVER. You got a problem with that?, screw it, I'm gonna love you too, Huckleberry!

ArnoldLayne

(2,067 posts)
33. Well said from this half Italian Dago and half
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

English Limey Johnny Bull. I agree with you and this post 100%. I hope they leave it in its entirety profanity and all. I work in a Steelmill I hear how Whites talk about Blacks ( their so-called buddys) when they are not around. I just cringe I hate to admit because I'm outnumbered by my own kind my own Race my White co workers in their Racist remarks.

FatIrishBastard

(51 posts)
34. I'm second generation born in America Irish (paternal), Irish/Welsh/English (maternal)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

Both my paternal Grandparents were born in Ireland, my maternal, both 1st Gen. born here. I truly believe that, with respect, it's only profanity when profane intent is present. My post may offend some who get caught up in the minutia, but I do not think an explanation is at all needed for those of Us that truly get it. I suffer from the infirmity of always telling the truth, & you know how people just love THAT. My family, most of my "friends", & damned near all of the (lily white) people I have known, steer clear of me, because most all bought into the "going gets tough, turn on your' good, decent, hard working neighbor", "poor people are evil, they have the same chance as US, their just lazy", & the "gotta have an enemy" meme. I'm the type who will jam up anyone who bullies, threatens, or throws hate speech around, daring 'em to bring that $#!t to Me. At 6' 220, in good shape @ 55, they always back up because bullies mostly fold when it's turned on them, especially when facing a Silverback who doesn't give a $#!t anymore. We all come from the same cosmic ooze, most of them do not & will not accept that FACT. I totally understand being outnumbered, having to get along, to get along, I hate it for You, & I've been there. One caveat...this type of thing is most assuredly not limited, throughout time eternal, to one race, or sect. The fact that it's being exploited by a faction of so-called "patriotic leaders", here, in 2012, just pisses on the grave of every TRUE patriot who gave the ultimate gift at the Altar of Freedom. If the editors here wish to take it down...s'cool...I'll just love me some DU'ers too! Have a cigar, A.L.!

dawg

(10,624 posts)
5. The welfare ads are where they went all-in on the race-based strategy.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

It's sad. Welfare was gutted years ago, but idiots don't know that, so this totally false attack will resonate with them.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
8. Romney doesn't even deserve the use of the term "dog-whistle" (Seamus aside),
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:58 AM
Aug 2012

as he's lost any ability to even attempt subtlety in his approach.

K&R.

Response to meegbear (Original post)

LoisB

(7,206 posts)
12. RevStPatrick
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Aug 2012

Fanon is a "must read" author. May I suggest starting with "The Wretched of the Earth"?

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
14. Looks fascinating.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012

Amazon sells it.

And now, of course, the NSA has me looking at various Marxist websites.
Screw it... Hello Agent Mike!!!

meegbear

(25,438 posts)
20. I read it as part of a Philosophy class in college ...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:49 PM
Aug 2012

we focused on the first part of the book; the objectification of a person to justify treating them as inferior.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
15. everything
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:56 PM
Aug 2012

said in this post is true. oh many may try to deny it, but this truth, n-words and all stands on its own. thank you.

JohnnyRingo

(18,628 posts)
16. I've witnessed this trend personally.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:59 PM
Aug 2012

Often times showing my support for Obama brings about insinuations from my right wing "friends" that I'm going against my race. They seldom use such harsh language, but the message is clear: I'm white, and I have to vote white.

In '08 I had two friends in a bar dance about like ersatz rap stars saying "Obama's gonna be buyin' me a Cadillac" to me. At that point there really isn't much left to say to them since I can't overcome their racism in intelligent debate. Facts no longer matter, and I'm certain the GOP is exploiting this.

I've noticed too, that "racist" has become the "n word" for white people. When called that name they act like it's an insult of the highest degree, even as they channel one of Limbaugh's greatest hits. Heaven forbid that an African American should ever call them that.

Do you want to have fun with a closet racist? Ask one what they think the percentage of black people is in the US. It's a barometer of how ignorantly racist they are. They have AM radio installed fears that African Americans are taking over, and the answer is proportionate to just how racist they are.

I've had people answer as high as 50%, leading me to ask why they're called a minority. The correct answer is just over 12% of course, which usually leads to shock and disbelief. When presented with this stat they often go to Hispanics, stating that "there are even more of them". No, there aren't.

Well written RudePundit.

ozsea1

(36 posts)
17. ZMOG !!!
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
Aug 2012

I listen to you faithfully on Stephanie Miller's Monday morning show every week, while I stagger about getting ready for the morning commute from hell.

Thanks again for cutting through the bs that passes for politcal dialog today and fucking telling it like it is !!!!

Elliemama

(14 posts)
18. Race Card
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:14 PM
Aug 2012

Okay, I agree with what you are saying, and I totally agree about your comment that Obama is
a mild-mannered, decent person.

So, all of what you have said being true, WHY ARE THE POLLS NECK IN NECK?

Romney is a fraud, an idiot, a racist, a tax cheat - yes I have said this because I believe it.

Why are voters then so dumb?

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
22. A couple reasons:
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:02 PM
Aug 2012

First, the M$M is owned primarily by repubs, so they control the message (Chris Matthews' morning rant nonwithstanding).

Second, many polls are skewed in order to make the race seem closer than it is. Makes for more ad revenue on the "horserace" news stations.

Welcome to DU, BTW!!!

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
19. I have to agree....
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:40 PM
Aug 2012

I went off on a couple baggers 2yrs ago with this same theme & exact same term. You could hear a pin drop for days later. They happened to come along on a an annual trip. They haven't come back and no one else ever brought it up again. I thought I was too strong and somewhat buzzed when I said it.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
21. yep--along with the feminizing of the Democratic Party--they're nothing but a bunch of girly men
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:00 PM
Aug 2012

who get their panties in a bunch over nothing, just the poor going hungry and people dying. Or, they are v brutish darkskinned thugs who try to beat others into submission.

I wish they would make up their minds. Or that people would notice the lies and contradictions in the teenage soul of the Republican Party.

Johnny Noshoes

(1,977 posts)
25. "in the teenage soul of the Republican Party."
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:29 PM
Aug 2012

So true - they remind me of typical angry white teenage boys with too much testerone and not enough brains. They don't know why they are angry or who they should be angry at so the angry old white guys point them in the direction of the nearest scapegoat(s) of the moment and tell them there they are boys those are the ones screwing with you go get 'em. So off they go their rage focused not on the REAL bastards making their lives miserable but rather on those who for the most part are in the same class and situations they are - people who should be their allies NOT their enemies.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
31. Some of us white hard hatted American union members...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:44 PM
Aug 2012

Wouldn't ever vote for a fucking republican, of any stripe, because I refuse to vote against a better future for my country, my family and myself.

Vote for Mitt-Wit in November and the next PNAC "Pearl Harbor" might be here by the next September. We already know that Mitt means to provide more tax cuts to the wealthy. Add in another elective war or two, cooked up by the same old crew of war mongers and war criminals, that cooked up invading Iraq and not a man or a woman of any creed or color will have a pot to piss in, or a window to throw it out of. Look how broke the country was, the day Bush left Washington. Don't think for a second, that the Rummy Cheney crew are not sitting in the shadows waiting to pounce on the Body America one more again. The GOP is waiting to suck the last drops of wealth out of 98% of the population of the United States of America.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
26. Break it down! That's what the political parties have been rooted on since Day One
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:30 PM
Aug 2012

I posted this comment on a thread called The Progressive Republican Party of 1956.
The history of the political parties have ALWAYS been based around what to do with the Black People. Since the 1780s & 1790s!

For those who missed it the first time here it is again.


No one really wants to admit that one major reason American political parties form the way they do is because of the Issue of the Black People.

This goes back to the very beginning of the political camps. All the way to the 1780s & 1790s with their immoral 3/5 of a person rule.
Remember they divided the country into Free State & Slave State after not being able to come to a decision on what to do with the Blacks which built the backbone of this country.
That Compromise of 1820 which unraveled in the 1860s in that famous war.

Every time the Issue of the Black People comes up the political coalitions realign & transform.
Frankie Roosevelt began a realignment in the 1930s that wasn't finished until John Kennedy & his boy Lyndon Johnson signed that Civil Rights Act in 1964.

We've been dealing with that general realignment ever since & now with the reality of a Black President, the coalitions are realigning again here in 2012.

Bigoted Whites are the bane of this nation & are the faction that keeps the nation from improving.
Roosevelt did many things right but these bigoted Whites were pissed that he wanted to include Blacks in all the fun.
So these Democrats who descend from Southern slaveowning plantation dude Tom Jefferson renamed themselves Dixiecrats or "States' Rights" Democrats in protest of these traitor Democrats who desegregated the Military allowing Blacks in.

The Republican Party which used to be the ones fighting those slaveowners in the 1860s left Blacks in the lurch after ending Reconstruction in 1877. And with the FDR's new model of Democrats being responsible for ending the Great Depression with the New Deal & helping to win World War II, they needed to get every bit of support they could muster in order to stay solvent as a party.
Hence your Progressive Republican Party platform of 1956 which includes support for the still-disenfranchised Blacks.

But after LBJ finished Kennedy's work & opened the doors for Blacks with that 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Republicans knew they lost their chance & could end up like the Whig Party.
These new Democrats are getting ALL the big business done!
Meanwhile, the Dixiecrats felt it was the last straw & left the Democratic Party in exodus.
This was the last chance for the Republican Party to stay alive so they absorbed all of those Bigoted Whites & formed a new coalition abandoning whatever you saw in that 1956 platform. Ironic that these former Dixiecrats joined the party which once opposed their ancestors & freed the slaves.

With the power of the Bigoted Whites who would wreck the country just to get back at the Blacks (& other ethnic groups which could be equated with Blacks), Rick Nixon then Ron Reagan then George Bush and George Bush the Sequel began rolling back all the advances made with Roosevelt's New Deal & its descendant policies like the Great Society.
Instead of pushing back the post-1964 Democrats let themselves get pushed over in order not to offend that giant angry bigoted White mass. There must be a Third Way to coax those bigots back on our side.

After running virtually unchallenged or barely challenged for 3 decades, George Bush the Sequel allowed this political coalition to MAX OUT unchecked & wrecked the power of the coalition in the process.
In the aftermath of this destructive excess came the first Black President, Barack Obama. Delivered by the Democrats.

Unfortunately Obama still plays these Third Way games & stalls the inevitable dissolving of the coalition represented in Republican Party. Yet even still this election is once again the crossroads for the Republican Party. This coalition containing the Bigoted Whites is crumbling & splintering. And once again it all comes down the Issue of the Black People. Especially when some of those Black People are the President & the rest of the First Family.

This country was built on White Supremacy. It was built on Racism.
The only reason it changes is because some Whites actually believe in Equality for ALL people.
However those numbers are not quite enough to offset the Whites who don't...yet.
But each time a White casts aside the mentality of White Supremacy & picks up Equality, more Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, First Nationals, Gays, & every other devalued group get to add to the numbers that offset those bigots.

Obama has the power to finish off that bigoted coalition forever.
He hasn't used it. He NEEDS to use it.
End those Third Way tactics. Let's get back to the First Way & make some New Deals.

It's not just the crossroads for the Republican Party.

John Lucas
 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
32. By "immoral 3/5 of a person rule" I hope you mean they should have counted zero.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 02:48 PM
Aug 2012

Most progressives seem to think that counting 3 out of every 5 slaves when determining their master's number of representatives and electoral college votes was immoral because it implied the slave was 3/5th of a person. The reality is that counting them at all gave their masters increased political power over non-slave owners. The slaves should have counted as zero because you know perfectly well that the masters were not going to elect anyone to represent the slaves!

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
39. I called it immoral because they counted 1 human being as a fraction of a human being
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:45 PM
Aug 2012

1 person = 1 person
1 =/= 3/5 of a person

They shouldn't have been slaves in the first place & furthermore as people they should have enjoyed the rights the others did.
I know why they did the 3/5 thing & that simple fact made the Civil War inevitable due to conflicts of regional power.
John Lucas

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
41. So you would have supported their masters having even more power.
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 10:15 AM
Aug 2012

Despite the larger voting public in free states, slave states dominated the American political scene prior to the Civil War because of that 3/5th rule. Had slaves not been counted, it would have ended sooner.

Conversely, had it been a 1=1 rule, that domination would have continued for several more decades. The Civil War would have been delayed.

And slavery would have lasted that much longer.

I think the rule today is still unfair. Look at GOP efforts to disenfranchise voters. Were representation based on franchised voters rather than the general population, including people who are not allowed to vote, would the GOP be disenfranchising voters? That would be political suicide on their part.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
46. I think you missed the point of what I'm saying
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

I don't think they should have been Slaves in the FIRST place.
I think the Blacks should have enjoyed the rights of every other citizen from the start.
I don't think they should have ever HAD "Masters".

That's why it's immoral.
And to call someone 3/5 of a person was a slap in the face because they obviously knew they were a person to even count them.
They surely didn't use cattle & their pet dogs, right?

Whether it had been counting slaves as 3/5 or 1, the Civil War was inevitable because of the regional conflict between states that supported chattel slavery & states that didn't.
In my opinion, it might have come about SOONER if they counted the slaves as 1.

There were 2 types of abolitionists: Moral Abolitionists & Political Abolitionists.
Moral Abolitionists were against slavery simply because they believed it was wrong.
Political Abolitionists were against slavery for fear of the South getting too much Representative power to influence national support.

If they tried to count slaves as 1, the Civil War may have broke out before 1800.
John Lucas

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
48. The war started immediately after the south lost control of the federal government.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

There is no way having more electoral votes and more representation in congress would have resulted in the south losing that power sooner.

And nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that slaves were 3/5 of a person. That is just plain hyperbole. It gives their masters get 60% more political power for every slave they own.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
49. What do you think the Mason-Dixon line was all about?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 04:06 PM
Aug 2012

Symbolically...
North of Mason-Dixon Line = Free State
South of Mason-Dixon Line = Slave State

That was put together in the Missouri Compromise of 1820 because there was dispute about the earlier 3/5 Compromise from 1787.
The whole reason they had to put together these compromises was because of the general idea of the country embodied by 2 men: Thomas Jefferson & Alexander Hamilton.

Thomas Jefferson who grew up on a plantation in Virginia looked to build the country off of an Agricultural Base & have States have more sway than the Federal government.
Alexander Hamilton who grew up in a banker's family looked to build the country off of an Commercial/Industrial Base & have Federal have more sway than the States' government.

It takes a lot of people to run a farm so that Agricultural Base used slaves for the dirty work.
Technology needed less people to run a factory so that Commerce/Industrial Base didn't use slaves for the dirty work.

They couldn't agree whether USA should continue or end slavery so they came up with the 3/5 Compromise in this new Constitution.
But every time they raided the Native Americans' land as they expanded westward it kept bringing up the question of how would each new territory get representation?
Should the Slaveowning States call the shots or the Non-Slaveholding States?

To settle this growing dispute they put together that Missouri Compromise which pretty much followed the old Mason-Dixon Line & was supposed to make auto-selection of Slave State & Free State easy as ABC-123.
Of course that didn't happen in reality & now which new territory would become state & should we travel North or South of the Mason-Dixon to gain new territory?

Big ol' Texas stuck in the craw of the non-slave states & then what are we gonna do about California? That place is north AND south of that 36° line! And all that gold is there too!
The State of California comes right at the dawn of the 1850s & these compromises were falling apart.

The "North" got tired of the "South" trying to turn everything into a slave state & pick up more Representatives to influence the political favors. So a coalition of scattered interests coalesced into a new body called the Republican Party which had a big Abolition platform meant to break the South.
The Solid Southern Stronghold of Democrats—the political descendants of southerner Jefferson—saw them as pure poison.
Then a Republican named Abraham Lincoln got elected!
In protest Southern States declared war on the old Union making a new Confederacy & that big 1860s war was on.

ALL of this would have sped up if the slaves would have been counted as 1.
The reason? Because the North would have been even MORE outraged with the South picking up all this territory to gain more political power.

And don't BS me about the 3/5 rule. They got power from counting each & every slave & put the number at 3/5 per slave.
So they COUNTED slaves as 3/5 of a person. They didn't count dogs, sheep, cattle, wagons, barns, candlesticks.
They counted these human beings whether they considered them "property" or not.
What's so hard to understand about that?

It was an immoral gimmick & showed that the Civil War was inevitable. It was only a matter of when not if.
Counting them at 0 would have made it a non-issue & you know it.
What's your story, ieoeja?
John Lucas

Cha

(297,220 posts)
38. All the gop have are Personal ATTACKS! And, like the gop
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:54 PM
Aug 2012

themselves they are getting more Vicious and Vapid by the minute. Thanks Rude Pundit for stating it so eloquently in your own inimitable way.

Thanks meegbear..

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