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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,274 posts)
Fri May 17, 2019, 03:27 PM May 2019

Was pilot error a factor in the Boeing 737 Max crashes?

In his opening statement Wednesday at the House Aviation subcommittee hearing in Washington, D.C., on the Boeing 737 Max, the lead Republican congressman blamed errors by the Indonesian and Ethiopian pilots for the two deadly Max crashes in those countries.

“Pilots trained in the United States would have successfully been able to handle” the emergencies on both jets, said Rep. Sam Graves of Missouri, ranking member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. He added that preliminary reports about the accident “compound my concerns about quality training standards in other countries.”

Graves was repeating the main points in a report written by two pilots at a major U.S. airline that pointed to pilot error as “the most consequential factor” in both crashes. Their report was commissioned and paid for by institutional investors with large holdings in Boeing stock.

That case for pilot error as the major cause of the crashes seems close to a surrogate for what Boeing has only hinted at and may be a key part of the manufacturer’s legal defense in liability lawsuits.

That case for pilot error as the major cause of the crashes seems close to a surrogate for what Boeing has only hinted at and may be a key part of the manufacturer’s legal defense in liability lawsuits.

Yet two flight-simulator sessions replicating the conditions on the doomed flights contradict Graves’ contention that better-trained pilots would have escaped disaster. And some Western-trained pilots criticize the report as based on unverified assumptions and minimizing the intense stress Boeing’s runaway flight-control system imposed on the two flight crews.

A good pilot on a bad day

“I’m disappointed with those who sit in their lofty chairs of judgment and say this wouldn’t have happened to U.S. pilots,” said a veteran captain with a major U.S. airline, who asked not to be named to avoid involving his employer.

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Was pilot error a factor in the Boeing 737 Max crashes? (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 OP
Boeing damage control planting the seeds of doubt and blame JDC May 2019 #1
In fairness Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #2
Easy to blame the dead. spanone May 2019 #3
No, except for Boeing insurance purposes. eom elfin May 2019 #4
Exactly the wrong question Midnightwalk May 2019 #5
Yep. hunter May 2019 #6

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,274 posts)
2. In fairness
Fri May 17, 2019, 03:47 PM
May 2019

A lot in Congress and in the Trump administration are doing likewise.

Besides fixing the problem with the MCAS Boeing has a ways to go to win back the public's confidence. Blaming the pilots, especially those overseas is not the way to accomplish this.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
5. Exactly the wrong question
Fri May 17, 2019, 04:03 PM
May 2019

You don’t build reliable systems by focusing on what was the biggest factor in a failure. You find all the factors and try to address as many as possible.

Foreign pilots can’t handle US aircraft also seems like a stupid marketing strategy.

“You are probably right Boeing. We aren’t worthy of flying your wonderful product. We’ll buy airbus instead”.

What this is really about is preserving the overly cosy relationship between Boeing, the FAA and our representatives. That’s what led to the self certification, lack of sensor redundancy and other ussues that seem to have contributed to the crashes.

How embarrassing that the FAA has become a lobbying arm for Boeing.

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