Steve Mnuchin has defied a subpoena from the House Ways and Means Committee for Trump's taxes

[applegrove]

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[RKP5637]

1. The Democrats need to kick ass as hard as possible!!! Time to fine these assholes and

lock them up!!!

[Hotler]

49. Won't happen. nt

[dameatball]

2. "SHALL"......he be arrested?

[RKP5637]

4. One of us would be fined $25k/day. Chelsea Manning sits in jail yet again.

[dameatball]

23. Unfortunately, Mnuchin probably has $25,000 in loose change in his couch cushions.

[RKP5637]

25. Yep, so true! n/t

[Thekaspervote]

28. It's 25k a day. I would think anyone would begin to choke on that

[dameatball]

33. Yes, I agree and I was just tongue in cheek. These guys hate nothing more than losing a nickel.

Your point is certainly correct. I wonder what he fears more than losing money. Must be something.

[sprinkleeninow]

55. Well, he should 'shall'. n/t

[Chin music]

3. So he's been arrested by now right?

Right?

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. DOJ is controlled by Putin, he aint gonna get arrested, we are under attack from Russia

[Chin music]

13. But, the Sergeant of Arms guy?

What say you SA? Lip smacking thief=manuchin. Flying his wife around to look at money, on our dime. UGHHHH.

[monmouth4]

5. Throw his ass in jail NOW! Sick of this stuff. n/t

[RKP5637]

6. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[malaise]

7. Lock him up!

NOW

[Initech]

8. Why don't they just give us the finger and get it over with already?

It would be much easier.

[RKP5637]

9. Democrats always look so damn weak and meek IMO. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. What can they do? DOJ will NOT arrest him and they would have to use sgt of arms at which point

there would be who knows what.

We are under attack, AT WAR with Russia and the GOP and WH are working WITH russian. When we accept that, let me know.

[spanone]

18. Well, they could go before any camera that would give them time and tell the people what's going on.

every day, every night, all the time

[RKP5637]

22. Exactly! Democratic messaging often sucks IMO. Time to start kicking ass!!! n/t

[RKP5637]

20. Maybe it's time to do something outrageous and burst the bubble! n/t

[ProudLib72]

31. So get the SOA to do his job

I just don't understand why we have to walk around on pins and needles like if we do the right thing the world is going to end. So instead, we do the wrong thing. We don't follow through on the threat. We don't do what is lawfully correct. Doesn't that make us complicit?

[StarfishSaver]

41. Why? The law

We're not Republicans.

[ProudLib72]

43. If we followed the letter of the law, he would be in jail

We don't follow the law.

[EffieBlack]

44. What law would, if followed, would result in Mnuchin being in jail today.

Please cite it specifically.

[ProudLib72]

45. Inherent contempt

Congress’s inherent contempt power is not specifically granted by the Constitution, but is considered necessary to investigate and legislate effectively. The validity of the inherent contempt power was upheld in the early Supreme Court decision in Anderson v. Dunn and reiterated in McGrain v. Daugherty. Under the inherent contempt power the individual is brought before the House or Senate by the Sergeant-at-Arms, tried at the bar of the body, and can be imprisoned or detained in the Capitol or perhaps elsewhere. (79) The purpose of the imprisonment or other sanction may be either punitive (80) or coercive. (81) Thus, the witness can be imprisoned for a specified period of time as punishment, or for an indefinite period (but not, at least by the House, beyond the end of a session of the Congress) until he agrees to comply.

79 Given Congress’s plenary power over the District of Columbia, the contemnor could potentially be detained or jailed in a D.C. Metropolitan Police Department facility. See U.S. CONST. art. I, §8 (“The Congress shall have Power...To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District...as may...become the Seat of the Government of the United States.

80 Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125, 147 (1935).

81 McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. at 161.

Obtained from: Garvey, Todd. "Congress’s Contempt Power and the Enforcement of Congressional Subpoenas: Law, History, Practice, and Procedure." Congressional Research Service 12 May, 2017. (PDF) Accessed 17 May, 2019.

[EffieBlack]

47. Nope

Inherent contempt requires a process for the issuance of the contempt citation. If the Dens followed the "letter of the law," there's no way it would be possible to complete the process and Mnuchin to be in jail a mere three hours after a deadline for responding to a subpoena passed.

[ProudLib72]

54. I'm saying "Start the damned process"

The point is, Effie, the mechanism exists and should be put to use.

[StarfishSaver]

58. How do you know they haven't "started the process"?

In fact, the letters, etc. that people have been disparaging here are an essential part of the process you're calling for. They are now in a position to charge him with contempt and make it stick.

But yelling to "Start the damned process" three hours after the deadline passed is really over the top. People need to calm down and let these people do their jobs.

[triron]

56. It is by far the quickest way

Inherent contempt

Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment, imprisonment for coercion, or release from the contempt citation).[10]

[StarfishSaver]

60. But the contempt citation first has to be issued. That can only happen with a vote by the full House

Which can only happen after it's voted out of Committee and then following a set time for debate and then the vote.

They can't just say, "He didn't meet the 5:00 deadline! Arrest that man NOW!" It doesn't work that way.

Just calm down and let them do their jobs!

[StarfishSaver]

40. What do you suggest they do?

[RKP5637]

42. Impeachment, start the $25k fines, jail if needed. Look at what they're doing to Chelsea Manning,

for example, back in jail.

[StarfishSaver]

57. Manning is in the criminal justice system, not before Congress. Two totally different situations

[RKP5637]

61. This adds clarification - take it to the courts appears to be the potential strategy?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/us/politics/mnuchin-trump-tax-returns-subpoena.html

[StarfishSaver]

62. Yes

But they can't just go to court because they want to and expect a good outcome. The courts require certain things prior to entertaining a case.

For example, before a court will issue and enforce a contempt citation, it usually will require that the petitioner show that it has "exhausted all remedies"- meaning that they have made all reasonable efforts to compel cooperation prior to going to court. That's one of the reasons that Nadler, et al are "asking nicely," then sending the much-criticized "strongly-worded letters" and giving Mnuchin and others plenty of opportunity to comply even after the deadlines have passed. It may be really frustrating to lay observers who think they're being weak or dragging their feet. But if they don't do it this way, a judge is very likely to tell them to go back and do all of these things and then toss them out of his/her courtroom for wasting the court's time. They have to show that there's no other possible way to get the testimony or documents they want and someone just saying "no," isn't enough, regardless how obnoxious and blatant they say it.

They have to follow the steps and that's what they're doing.

[RKP5637]

63. Agree, and very well said!!! Thanks for your replies, etc. It seems an excellent strategy!

[StarfishSaver]

64. Definitely!

Thanks!

[MontanaMama]

11. These assholes are setting the precedent that

subpoenas can be ignored with no consequences.

[Chin music]

14. Push the button Nancy.

It's time. LET"S GO.

[MontanaMama]

16. It's like I tell my sister-in-law

who refuses to discipline her heathen children because she doesn't want to be the bad guy...If she would just set the precedent then she wouldn't have to be the bad guy very often...they would KNOW that she was going to follow through. It doesn't take more than a look for my kiddo to fall in line. Just throw the book at a few of these assholes!! Come on!!! What are waiting for?

[Chin music]

19. If not now, when?

This is about to be a non sequitor anymore. If you aren't going to pull the trigger Nancy, don't pull your gun.
manny is the perfect first disciple of trump, to be in jail by noon tomorrow.

[Miles Archer]

15. Three options: 1). Arrest him 2). Fine him 3). Let him get away with it

We'll soon see which option will be pursued.

[Chin music]

21. Fines mean nothing to uber wealthy.

CUT THE BUDGET FOR ALL THESE CRIMINALS. Why are we paying for them to kick us in the ass?

[DeminPennswoods]

29. Rich guys like Mnuchin never want to spend their own

money, just other people's money. It's why he finagled a fake trip to Ft Knox for he and wifey at the exact time as last year's total solar eclipse. It's why they took a nice taxpayer funded "working" trip to galavant around Europe. Take 25 or 100k daily out of Mnuchin's personal pocket and he'll come around.

[Chin music]

30. I'm not so confident.

Especially when the 1% can finance 25k a day into infinity.

[DeminPennswoods]

34. 25k over a year is 9M

Don't forget, these guys' assets are not always very liquid (i.e, in cash, checks or easily redeemable notes).

[Chin music]

35. They saved 9 million on their quarterly taxes.

To manipulate the country, they'd pay 10 times that. And not flinch.

[Pachamama]

17. Can Mnuchin be impeached?

If so - I think he should be....

[unblock]

27. constitutionally, yes, cabinet members are subject to impeachment.

whether this particular congress can impeach anyone remains to be seen....

[moondust]

24. Lock him up and forget him.

Arrogant slimeball who thinks he's above the law apparently because he has a pile of money. "Money trumps the law!!!!" they cried.

[RKP5637]

26. He oozes with sleaze and is a fucken traitor IMO! n/t

[smirkymonkey]

37. Definitely a face badly in need of a fist.

He's so smug and arrogant. He makes me absolutely sick. And so does his repulsive trophy wife.

[bdamomma]

51. They all need

a bunch of fists in their faces, they deserve it

[Snackshack]

32. Certainly

The Dems are taking actions forthwith against the treasury secretary lawless action...

[Chin music]

36. What are those actions?

And if they are merely perfunctory and ignored too, then, it's not really doing anything at all is it? Most every repub i know has been golfing since 11 am. Pretty sure golf pro trump already has his links time in as well, and is ordering up the most expensive items on his menu, bc, we are paying for it.

[Snackshack]

66. I was being...

Sarcastic...the Dems so far are doing nothing. No matter what they do it will be ignored. Imo they should have arrested Mnuchin yesterday...

[Azathoth]

38. After an appropriately sober few weeks of negotiating, Dems might go nuclear

and issue a second subpoena.

[Chin music]

39. Oh god no.....

Not that...

[lindysalsagal]

46. It's got to be the money laundering that he's hiding

Otherwise, he'd give the hell up and release them

[EffieBlack]

48. It's something pretty serious.

[bdamomma]

50. Just

arrest the fucker. Period

[StarfishSaver]

59. It doesn't work that way.

[Chin music]

52. Only letter I want to see Nadler deliver is one curled up real tight, and jabbed in munuchins chest.

[Hotler]

53. Punishment will be a sternly worded statement. nt

[mahatmakanejeeves]

65. Here's that letter:

David Fahrenthold Retweeted

Mnuchin informs Neal that he wont comply with a Congressional subpoena for President Trump's tax returns. 🔥🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥💥

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