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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:44 AM May 2019

DEFCON 1 for Donald Trump

He has finally blown his stack. He has lost it.

He has now appointed his self-picked lawyer, Mr William Barr, to be in charge of the "Investigation against the Investigators". He has given Barr the unprecedented power to de-classify intelligence from all the intelligence agencies involved in the Mueller investigation.

So the war against his political enemies has begun. He is accusing his political enemies of "treason" and seems to relish the idea of executing them.

Some wondered what would happen when the investigation crossed his "red line"? What would happen when they started to get close to his tax returns and his financial information? What would happen when a couple of judges ruled that he didn't have a leg to stand on?

He seeks to reverse the blame.

Perhaps it was the words of Speaker Nancy Pelosi that drove him over the edge? She has a way of pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. The truth scares the beJesus out of Donald Trump.

Our country is entering a new phase of threats from the White House. Pelosi mentioned that Trump's family and staff might want to stage an intervention for him? That might not be such a bad idea?

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DEFCON 1 for Donald Trump (Original Post) kentuck May 2019 OP
To hear the Speaker's and Majority Leader's descriptions of the WH meeting... Dennis Donovan May 2019 #1
He is sending a message to our intelligence agencies, watoos May 2019 #2
Return to sender liberalgunwilltravel May 2019 #7
Not so sure about that, watoos May 2019 #9
Patience Grasshopper liberalgunwilltravel May 2019 #11
I wouldn't worry too much about that.... paleotn May 2019 #29
This is how it always happens. Authoritarian X appoints his cronies to top and mid-level pangaia May 2019 #38
I'm hoping.... SergeStorms May 2019 #43
The entire tRump family does not Scarsdale May 2019 #3
His whole family is nuts Mr.Bill May 2019 #37
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #4
The times when we have thought this before are uncountable. NT enough May 2019 #5
More precisely, he's at DEFECON-1 Xipe Totec May 2019 #6
I wonder if they'll start the impeachment inquiry after the first journalist is executed for treason pdsimdars May 2019 #8
The loudest voice watoos May 2019 #10
Amash?? Really??? AllyCat May 2019 #44
He is the very model ashling May 2019 #12
Darn you. Now I have that G&S tune rolling around in my head. erronis May 2019 #14
Then perhaps you'll enjoy this... masmdu May 2019 #26
Hilarious, thanks for posting this! n/t lordsummerisle May 2019 #41
I was hoping Mueller the Marine would be our Smedley Butler....not to be Submariner May 2019 #13
We haven't seen the Mueller report yet, watoos May 2019 #15
Mueller testifying in public would be a huge event NewJeffCT May 2019 #21
Yet I believe what others have started to say...theres Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #16
But if the majority believe he is insane and has committed criminal acts.... kentuck May 2019 #17
Guess their jobs? Plus GOP always sticks together Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #24
Patience! Aussie105 May 2019 #19
I would totally agree IF a definitive statement had been Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #22
Oh for sure, the Trump/Barr narrative watoos May 2019 #28
Re your last paragraph...let's say that's true. Why Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #34
I agree... TommyCelt May 2019 #18
I hope not. nt Aussie105 May 2019 #20
The LearJet hillbillies will rule the world... magicarpet May 2019 #25
The ruling house of Jebusland. paleotn May 2019 #30
What we in the general public know is always only a fraction of what is actually SayItLoud May 2019 #23
I think Nancy was serious about her comments... kentuck May 2019 #27
A sign of deperation or utter stupidity.... paleotn May 2019 #31
Intervention? I think a riot squad with fire-hoses is called for... Hugin May 2019 #32
He needs to be stopped today. BSdetect May 2019 #33
Putin is in charge now. Grasswire2 May 2019 #35
we need to be in the streets, over n/t yodermon May 2019 #36
THIS! Dem2theMax May 2019 #39
total failure saidsimplesimon May 2019 #40
I Can Only Imagine Some Powerful Folks in the IC Skraxx May 2019 #42
Dangerous times lie ahead joe_stampingbull May 2019 #45

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
1. To hear the Speaker's and Majority Leader's descriptions of the WH meeting...
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:49 AM
May 2019

...is chilling. I think he might be capable of anything at this point.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. He is sending a message to our intelligence agencies,
Fri May 24, 2019, 06:54 AM
May 2019

give the answers we want or there will be hell to pay, we will come after you.

Barr is a bigger liar than Trump, maybe he already has the results of his investigation written up before the investigation begins?

7. Return to sender
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:30 AM
May 2019

I suspect that the Intelligence Community will have a louder and clearer message for both Trump and Barr if they continue to push. I suspect they are tired of being used by unfit Republican Administrations. Barr better watch out on whose toes he steps on because some are likely to be on the foot that is going to come back and kick him in the ass. And when Barr goes down, so will Trump.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
9. Not so sure about that,
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:39 AM
May 2019

Trump already sent a warning to FBI Director Wray and I have heard crickets from Wray. If Wray takes on Trump he is gone and Trump will appoint another one of his cronies and his Republican enablers will accommodate him.

11. Patience Grasshopper
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:44 AM
May 2019

The best thing for the IC to do as it sets about to destroy a corrupt administration is to move quietly. I wouldn't expect Wray or anyone else in the IC to make a lot of noise until they are good and ready.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
29. I wouldn't worry too much about that....
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:52 AM
May 2019

The thing about intelligence agencies, they know far more than many of us feel comfortable with. They've been lambasted for years in liberal circles with Patriot Act abuses, that whole Snowden slog, etc. Now they may be one of, if not the critical piece that saves the republic. For anyone with a closet bursting with skeletons, they're the last group to start a fight with. But, this crew isn't known for it's strategic thinking...or thinking at all. That kabuki in the rose garden this week was some of the stupidest shit I've seen in a generation.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
38. This is how it always happens. Authoritarian X appoints his cronies to top and mid-level
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:56 PM
May 2019

positions.. And thus he becomes a dictator.

SergeStorms

(19,199 posts)
43. I'm hoping....
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:30 PM
May 2019

that the intelligence agencies will refuse to cooperate. This would force a legal battle that would probably go straight to the Supreme Court. I'd love to see if Chief Justice Roberts would side with the Constitution, or the orange haired maniac in chief.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
3. The entire tRump family does not
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:03 AM
May 2019

need to be involved. Just his daughter/wife. If she rejects him, he will be crushed. The "boys" are just collateral damage. They are all going to the UK with daddy. The US royal family will meet the British royal family. How quaint. I wonder if Jr. girlfriend will go, too? Since she now has a (taxpayer funded) position in the administration, then she will be there.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
8. I wonder if they'll start the impeachment inquiry after the first journalist is executed for treason
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:32 AM
May 2019
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. The loudest voice
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:42 AM
May 2019

who is calling for impeachment is a libertarian/Republican, Justin Amash. Does that answer your question?

ashling

(25,771 posts)
12. He is the very model
Fri May 24, 2019, 07:46 AM
May 2019

Last edited Fri May 24, 2019, 09:19 AM - Edit history (1)

of a modern stable geneeus;
though, truth be told,
He mostly acts just like a weenieus;
But thanks to a sycophantic staff
Who stroke his ego and kiss his ---;
He thinks he is the model of a modern stable geeneeus.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
13. I was hoping Mueller the Marine would be our Smedley Butler....not to be
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:02 AM
May 2019

Now all I can hope is that a high ranking Mattis-type is within derringer range if the moron goes for the football, or a major cholesterol cardiac lockup.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
15. We haven't seen the Mueller report yet,
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:17 AM
May 2019

all we have seen is what Barr allowed us to see. I am ok with Mueller testifying behind closed doors as long as he is not restricted and as long as we all get to see the transcript.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
21. Mueller testifying in public would be a huge event
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:48 AM
May 2019

He's very credible, smart and sober. The complete opposite of Donny Dollhands.

Most people won't bother to read the transcript if it is released.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. Yet I believe what others have started to say...theres
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:24 AM
May 2019

An illogical disconnect between saying the guy's insane and committed criminal acts yet impeachment not imminent.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
17. But if the majority believe he is insane and has committed criminal acts....
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:29 AM
May 2019

Then why are the Republicans united against impeachment??

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Guess their jobs? Plus GOP always sticks together
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:06 AM
May 2019

Don't they? Jeez not sure if I even remember them arguing or divided on anything, can you? They really are pretty simple. Three aims...keep power, make $$ for other rich people and be for anything deplorables want.

Aussie105

(5,383 posts)
19. Patience!
Fri May 24, 2019, 08:34 AM
May 2019

This is the first time the US system has had to deal with an obviously insane President.

The process to dethrone him needs to be thought out carefully, planned carefully, and be 100% guaranteed of success.

We have spent more than 2 years listing the reasons why he is unfit for office. The time has now come to plan what to do about it. It's new territory for the US structures of justice and politics.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. I would totally agree IF a definitive statement had been
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:02 AM
May 2019

made up front the moment the report came out which adds credence. It equates cause and effect when everyone was watching. It takes partisanship out of it. Bad sadly that didn't happen and each day we separate from cause it gives people (non-political types) appearance of 1) nothing was urgently bad enough to act immediately and 2) they just hate him.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
28. Oh for sure, the Trump/Barr narrative
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:50 AM
May 2019

has already been set in motion. The Mueller report vindicated Trump, the FBI and Democrats (Hillary) carried on a witch hunt against Trump. Barr is a bigger liar than Trump, he is going to come up with a cock and bull story where the FBI and Democrats (Hillary) colluded against Trump. Trump wants to put Hillary on the 2020 ballot.

The thing is we have the facts that Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony, 900 judges, prosecutors, determined that Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice. Is that not enough to begin an impeachment inquiry?

I still say that this in the back of Speaker Pelosi's mind. She was Speaker in 2010 when Republicans flipped a net 64 House seats. I am in no way blaming her for that tremendous defeat, but she must be thinking that she doesn't want a repeat of 2010.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
34. Re your last paragraph...let's say that's true. Why
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:10 AM
May 2019

link that to a decision on impeachment? Has there been any evidence at all that voters would leave us in droves if we impeach? I would only disown a party that impeached if it was some frivolous reason.

Seems like we just need to convince those sound minded people who voted for trump but aren't crazy.

Seems like more harm is being done now by infuriating good Dems who wanted impeachment yesterday. How can she maintain the House with their lackluster now?

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
25. The LearJet hillbillies will rule the world...
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:07 AM
May 2019

Get ready for a three hundred year trDump Dynasty. The 2024 coronation of daughter/wife Ivanka will be a splendid day full of pageantry. She will make a wonderful and delightful queen. I can't wait until she rules over us.





paleotn

(17,911 posts)
30. The ruling house of Jebusland.
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:57 AM
May 2019

While the rest of us are shaking hands with Justin Trudeau at the formation of Canamerica.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
23. What we in the general public know is always only a fraction of what is actually
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:03 AM
May 2019

happening and the condition of things in Gov. For Pelosi to actually say "intervention" must clearly mean she KNOWS from inside observations and other eyewitnesses that tRUMP is really, and I mean REALLY a threat to America and Democracy. It's a statement screaming for action. It's not a political statement imo it's a true call for action.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
27. I think Nancy was serious about her comments...
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:49 AM
May 2019

I don't think the media should portray it as a "battle of words" between the Democratic Speaker and the Republican President.

Is there really a "cover-up"? Who, what, when, where, why, and how?

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
31. A sign of deperation or utter stupidity....
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:59 AM
May 2019

I can't decide which. Maybe he's thinking he IS fucked after all.

Hugin

(33,135 posts)
32. Intervention? I think a riot squad with fire-hoses is called for...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:02 AM
May 2019

But, what do I know. I'm just a person in ill fitting rumpled clothes, who talks funny.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
40. total failure
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:39 PM
May 2019

A wannabe in business, failure, a wannabe media star, failure..

Vlad denied Mrs. Clinton the presidency for this sycophant. Just what he wanted, a dumbo. I wonder what tune Putin plays on the ivories these days. "The Russians are coming..." might become our national anthem (see video on youtube)?

Skraxx

(2,970 posts)
42. I Can Only Imagine Some Powerful Folks in the IC
Fri May 24, 2019, 09:53 PM
May 2019

Might be close to triggering contingency plans to deal with the problem with prejudice.

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