Scarborough Says People Close To Trump Worry He's 'Pre-Dementia'

[Generic Other]

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough said Friday that people close to the President have told him that they worry he’s “pre-dementia.”


“The people closest to him told us that they feared that he was in mental decline,” Scarborough said. “People very close to him told us that he feared he was pre-dementia, that he had changed. You watch Donald Trump in the late 1980s, even in the 90s, you watch him now, he is completely changed.”

He contrasted him with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who he sees as mentally acute.

Mika Brzezinski cut in: “sharp as a tack.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scarborough-trump-pre-dementia

[CurtEastPoint]

1. PRE? WTF? It's here and now.

[2naSalit]

2. +1

[malaise]

3. Ditto

[ananda]

4. My thought exactly!

He's already there.

[empedocles]

27. If trump is 'pre-dementia'?

Then surely traitortrump is 'pre-' an awful lot of things.

[Backseat Driver]

60. There's no pre? about it - Dementia is an insideously malignant condition, hidden until it's not.

I'm not a psychiatrist/neurologist, but mental status, be it from various forms of dementia and brain disease or symptoms that point more toward aggressive malignant schizo-types of mental illness in the limbic system, whatever, it's in a far more advanced stage and getting worse. Aging from toxic stress can also greatly magnify personality traits and disorders as well, but Speaker Pelosi is spot on when she said his behavior is (paraphrasing) unseemly in the office he holds. IMO, it has reached a crisis point insofar as his ability to uphold his inaugural vow. Furthermore, it is beyond contempt for our country that his sycophants, whether appointed or elected, hide his uncivil, irrational condition(s) and criminality with their own.

[Laelth]

74. Pre? There is no pre. Dementia or dementia not. There is no pre.

Channeling Yoda. 🤣👍🏼

-Laelth

[SCVDem]

73. So say we all!! nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

101. My thought exactly!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

[ffr]

5. Not good enough. Don't wait until after he orders to send the bombers out.

If you know there's an issue, get on it!!!

[Buckeyeblue]

6. Are they laying the groundwork to let him walk away?

[katmondoo]

9. At this point I do not care if he walks, I just want to be rid of him

before he destroys us all. He is a very sick man and God knows what he will do next.

[DetlefK]

24. One conservative on Twitter said that Trump isn't actually a Republican.

And so it begins.

"Oh, that guy who ran for President as a Republican, who had the full support of the Republican Party, who had the Republican Party under such a tight control that loyalty to him was seen as a purity-test for party-membership... He wasn't actually a Republican."

[Delmette2.0]

67. Perhaps the Russians really did hack the RNC.

And shared all the dirt with Donnie, which he is using against them now.

[shanti]

81. I wouldn't be a bit surprised

Putin seems to have kompromat on everyone.

[Scarsdale]

88. I wonder if there is a tape of

Lindsey Graham having sex with - OH the horror - a WOMAN? He sure did a complete turn around on tRump after one golf game. He has been a staunch supporter ever since. There is something going on about Graham.

[Delmette2.0]

89. I don't care who who he has sex with but the R's do.

I think there is more nefarious and illegal acts hidden.

[LuvNewcastle]

110. I think Lindsey's got himself a mandingo.

That's one thing that would kill him in SC.

[gopiscrap]

45. that's what I just said

[ooky]

7. I think he's close to death and the

demon who is occupying his soul is already trying to shed his body.

[LovingA2andMI]

57. From Your Keyboard To...

God's Ears. Anyday now would be nice....

[FiveGoodMen]

98. The demon occupying his soul has spread to 100,000,000.

Their name is Legion.

[LiberalFighter]

8. He's been that way all of his life.

[nolabear]

68. Personality wise, yes. But I do think he's increasingly impaired.

He engages in so many coverup behaviors. Inexact easily reinterpreted comments. Emotionally evocative responses to steer away from lack of content and obvious lack of comprehension. Obsessional, reactive responses to every puff of wind. In part he's in over his head but I do think he's increasingly incapable and drowning in the coverup.

He is, after all, ALL about the coverups.

[handmade34]

10. whether dementia

mental illness, psychosis or whatever... he is ill and not fit to run the Country... if I prayed, I would pray for the Country... Trump not so much, I don't care

[FakeNoose]

54. Yes he is all of that

But that was all known in 2015, before he was their candidate. All the GOP had to do was the tiniest amount of vetting, even simple googling, to see that he was completely unqualified to run for president.

This isn't pre-dementia, this is it. We're seeing dementia in action.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Jeb Bush would have been better than Chump!

[Different Drummer]

106. "I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Jeb Bush would have been better than Chump!"

Few people wouldn't have been better.

[C_U_L8R]

11. Demented. Thoroughly.

[CatMor]

12. I watched donald in the late 1980's and he was ..

just as stupid and obnoxious as he is now. He's had dementia his whole life.

[mopinko]

23. it's there on tape. look at his speech patterns. he has alway been stupid,

but he hasnt always talked with a 4th grade vocabulary.
it's embarrassing to see him babbling on in nothing but superlatives and the same hundred words no matter the subject.

[CatMor]

26. He can't pronounce many words .....

and he's not good at spelling. Maybe his handlers should give him simple words to babble on about.

[Control-Z]

112. Yup.

But I think you're being generous with the hundred words.

[mopinko]

115. well, if it were phrases, it would be a handful.

believe me
nobody knows
here's the thing
get to the bottom of it

not to mention witch hunt, etc, ad nauseum.

i was counting those as separate words. prolly shouldnt.

[Cosmocat]

111. Yep

Cocky and arrogant as fuck, dumb as shit and immoral, but his go to move has always been being a bully.

[Generic Other]

13. This is what families say when they are still in denial

When grandpa takes the bus to town and someone calls from 60 miles away to say that he's confused in a cafe with no money.

Families start having THAT conversation. Tell me other DUers haven't been there. Sadly, I have.

[EveHammond13]

32. exactly

[Wellstone ruled]

38. Famiily Denial is

tough to over come. Fortunately there are Grand Children in our family who are and were involved with Senior Care and Mental Health issues. Early intervention for us saved tons of grief down the road. We got lucky.

[bronxiteforever]

41. +1 Yup I have been there.

[gopiscrap]

58. yeah I had to do that with my foster dad a few times

he would call me and ask me to come get him back home finally the family admitted there was an issue

[pnwest]

91. Perhaps what they mean to say is

early stage of dementia, rather than pre-. I’m dealing with later stages with my mom, and I can attest dementia can get so much worse than what the orange menace is displaying right now.

Which should be lots of fun (insert sarcasm thingie) when he’s reached the stage of losing inhibitions. Can you imagine an uninhibited donald?

[Generic Other]

93. My sympathy

So many families secretly coping with heartbreaking issues with their elderly parents and grandparents.

It gives us insight. The thought of an "uninhibited" Donald while repulsive sounds less horrible than a homicidal maniac Donald!

[pnwest]

96. Thank you. I'm going through serious

drama with my mama right now. Heartbreaking changes.

[Control-Z]

114. I'm sorry for you. It must be devastating

to watch the decline of someone who means so much. I wish you the best.

[Different Drummer]

107. i thought he already was uninhibited.

[tinrobot]

14. Just like he's pre-obese?

[Generic Other]

15. I am stealing that one

to describe myself!

[peggysue2]

17. LOL!!

Perfecto!

[lunatica]

25. LOL!

Or pre-immature.

[smirkymonkey]

48. Touche!

[flamingdem]

64. Or pre-idiot!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. I think he's starting to slide past the "pre-" stage.

Dementia is gradual and incremental, and it doesn't manifest itself exactly the same way all the time. Sometimes Trump probably seems perfectly normal (for him, anyhow; he's never been normal normal), but then at other times he goes off the rails, especially under stress. Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in 1994, well after he left office. Whether he already had it while he was president has never been conclusively established and remains controversial. There were reports that he occasionally showed signs of confusion but these episodes didn't last long; however, they may have been precursors of the disease. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-alzheimers-disease/ Whatever is ailing Trump seems to be a lot more obvious and weird than Reagan's occasional memory lapses. Unlike Reagan, who didn't appear to have significant problems speaking coherently (at least in public), Trump can't seem to find words - he kept saying "oranges" for "origins," for example, and he didn't even seem to realize he was using the wrong word. His vocabulary seems to have diminished; he repeats the same simple phrases over and over. As the investigations progress and the heat is turned up even more, I think we'll see him become increasingly incoherent.

[empedocles]

29. 1994 on Reagan? G.H. Bush said within a month of Reagan leaving the WH,

'The President cannot go out in public'.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. He was *diagnosed* with Alzheimers in 1994. It's usually hard to pinpoint

the exact time of onset because it's gradual. I don't remember seeing Reagan out in public much after he was no longer the president, but that could have been because I always tried to ignore him as much as possible.

[True Blue American]

34. Reagan had Alzheimers while in office.

Donald Regan would stand behind him, stop him when he began to ramble on and on, cut it short.

The staff made the decisions the last year he was in office.

Trump has always been arrogant and self important, but Donny Deutsch, who has known Trump for years says he is deteriorating badly. They went to the same schools, both graduated from Wharton, although Donny is about 10 years younger.

[empedocles]

49. Staffers have said, 'Reagan was not the same after 1982.

Reagan, was also said to have never been left alone meetings, etc.

Opponents, Dem and 'con, thought Reagan mentally deficient in the 1976 primaries.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

71. He was never the sharpest knife in the drawer, but stupid isn't the same as having dementia.

The question has always been when and to what the dementia exacerbated the stupid before the medical diagnosis of Alzheimers in 1994.

[sprinkleeninow]

82. Simply considering what we've had and now have 'leading' us and our country.

[BannonsLiver]

85. Good

I want the decline to be long and difficult.

[volstork]

18. I'm thinking

more along the lines of post-dementia. He's unhinged.

[colsohlibgal]

19. Nothing Pre About It

He never was overflowing with smarts and he is declining quickly.

[gratuitous]

20. You know something? Fuck you, Scarborough

This isn't restricted to Scarborough: Either get someone on the record saying this, or just shut up about it. "The people closest to him" doesn't mean jack shit. If there's a problem - and a lot of people think there is - let's get names out there of those people closest to him. I don't want to hear rumors and gossip, and that's all this is. If someone whispers to you that President Trump is losing it, don't give them the time of day until they say, "And you can quote me on that."

[Generic Other]

21. Families that deal with dementia act the same way

No one wants to acknowledge the decline. And there are good days and bad days. As for refusing to name the sources, I agree with you. We should hear the truth. I think Trump should have thorough and completely unbiased medical and mental health exams ASAP. The country should not have to put up with staff hiding important information like this from the American people.

[EveHammond13]

35. staff? I blame Ivanka.

[Generic Other]

94. You are probably right that she is largely involved

This kind of thing often falls on a female family member. Nancy Reagan was the same.

They should have done exactly what Charlton Heston did after he made racist comments in Michael Moore's movie. He resigned as chair of the NRA and announced he had Alzheimers.

[True Blue American]

44. I have several friends

Who began with Dementia, short term memory loss. One I grew up close to began with not remembering what she did the minute before. She was 6 years older, could talk about things that happened in our childhood, but as the Dementia took hold she could not remember anything.

Several others would get lost, forget where they lived. It is a horrible disease.

But I think you may be right, many are laying the groundwork for him to resign.

Barr is just evil and so are many of the Trump enablors.

[lunatica]

28. I agree. It's like saying Kellyanne tells the truth but only behind his back

and in secretive whispers.

We’re not buying it anymore.

[Nuggets]

22. Oh we're going for the changed due to

ill health. I do believe he was given a gold star for perfect health just a few months ago. If he has dementia now that doesn’t explain 99% of his past actions.

Fellow narcissist Scarborough trying to garner sympathy for Trump.

[lunatica]

30. Scarborough likes to make everyone believe he has an inside track

He’s always been that kind of self promoter.

[blueinredohio]

31. My father had dementia, when I took him out I never knew what he would say

or do. Many times I've had to apologize to people. It's so sad that so many (family included) let him make a fool of himself to move their agenda forward.

[True Blue American]

47. Many also become paranoid.

[Generic Other]

99. So sorry

Mine got paranoid. It was really hard for my mother.

I feel sympathy for families dealing with it, but in the case of the Trump's, they are choosing the exact wrong way.

[Stuart G]

36. If this dementia analysis is correct and the family is protecting Trump, then

I will predict right here, and right now, that the family will convince Trump NOT to run for reelection.
.... No matter how it looks, or why it looks, Donald Trump will not run for re-election in 2020. If it is beginning of dementia, then it can only get worse. And the family will not want their father to decline like that in front of the entire world. Pelosi said "intervention" That is an extremely damaging word. And my guess that is exactly what is going to happen.
... The family is accompanying Trump to visit the Queen. This is to make sure that Trump does not do something totally foolish. Again to protect him as well as our country. Even if this is relatively mild, then again, the family wants to make sure that it does not become totally uncontrollable in the next few years. Again, Trump will not run for reelection next year.

[True Blue American]

51. I have been predicting Trump will

Not run. McConnell,too.

[Stuart G]

55. I agree with McConnell. Because of his financial wealth due to his job. Mitch has become rich,

and has used his position to gain wealth. You are correct, Mitch will step aside and enjoy the wealth he has accumulated. Of course, very few know that that has been quasi legal, but proving that will be most difficult. So "Mitch the Rich" will " take his money and run..."

[True Blue American]

59. Mitch said he thought about retiring last time.

He never won by very much.

This russian Aluminum plants is exploding in his face because of Russian money and an Oligarch. I never heard that word used so much. Reminds me of Hyacinth and her Aristocracy.

[ScratchCat]

53. I've been making a similar prediction for over a year

There is just no way he can run again. This benefits Trump, because they can't throw a man with dementia in prison, he couldn't "Competently" defend himself at a trial and most of America will "buy" a pardon from Pence for that poor, old man with dementia("that the Democrats probably caused anyway" his cult will say). This will prevent all the Mueller findings about the GOP and Russian money from getting out because people will be ready to "move on". This is his out; its the GOP's out.

[marylandblue]

56. His family will do no such thing because he is a malignant narcissist.

A narcissist listens to nobody, especially when it involves a suggestion he may be less than perfect. Family members who persist in disagreeing with the narcissist are cut off, and none of them will risk that.

[shanti]

83. That's what I think too

He would never allow it at this point. I think his family is scared of him. And once he's gone, the whole house of cards, and their money, collapses. They are propping him up.

[empedocles]

37. Dementia aside, part of the problem is 'new' comes harder with age,

and trump has not 'aged well'. Seems like he cannot walk faster than when you see him on camera, he is far more obese that 239 lbs, he has never been 'smart', [al Capone dominated a big chunk of Chicago despite documented quite low IQ], poor diet and exercise, etc.

[CanonRay]

39. Nothing Pre about it.

[Funtatlaguy]

40. The stages of Dementia

https://www.dementiacarecentral.com/aboutdementia/facts/stages/

[Eyeball_Kid]

42. "Pre-dementia"? That's akin to being "almost pregnant".

We're all "pre-dementia." BFD. What Joe Scar likely meant is that Trumpy isn't full-blown, "it's 1988" disoriented. He's showing signs of mental or cognitive collapse. It's a deterioration of his thinking process, and it's called straight-up Dementia. IMO, that's why he gave Barr permission to expose covert intelligence agents. THAT, my friends, is a sign of dementia.

You don't want covert intelligence agents thinking that you want to expose them. Trumpy doesn't know how dangerous that is. These people have weapons and expertise, and they have themselves and their families to protect. And this has nothing to do with whether any counter investigations are worth the effort. But Trumpy is frantic and irrational, and all he's thinking about is revenge so that he can live with the delusion that he's winning. Like most people, as stress mounts, the ability to intelligently solve problems diminishes. And that applies to people with no signs of dementia. With Trumpy, those tendencies are magnified many times.

Trumpy is mean and he's getting meaner. Those who shine his shoes have to grovel more visibly and are all the more humiliated. It won't stop until THEY stop, or until someone stops HIM.

[gopiscrap]

43. sounds to me like an excuse for him to get out of his crimes

and at the same time paint Biden as too old!

[The_Counsel]

46. The People Closest to Trump Are Slow, Then.

I'd been saying for at least a year now that Trump has been showing signs of early onslaught dementia. Signs one shouldn't need be a doctor to see. As much as I can't stand the guy, I wouldn't wish that on him or his family. I've seen it up close and it's NOT cute. At all.

What's interesting is if Trump--and others complicit in his shenanigans--were smart, they'd take this "blessing" as the perfect out and avoid impeachment/jail time altogether...

[dixiegrrrrl]

63. So, maybe all the executive time, where he can't publicy "president"

has a reason other than laziness.

It is still difficult for most people to see the difference between his normal petty boorish egotistical behavior, versus the more subtle signs of early dementia.

worse yet for him, and us, he is surrounded by people who have their own agenda, are not much motive to have him painted
as incompetent.

[Pantagruel]

50. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1131905458413953024.html

"With alexithymia men lose the ability to understand their own emotions, they lose the ability to understand other's emotions, which leads to them being "crazy" or "irrational." They often lose the frame for their own emotional outbursts and ability to understand their actions. 9/
Watching Donald Trump, it's not hard to imagine he suffers from alexithymia. Obviously he doesn't understand his own outbursts and has no frame for the things he says and does. When he's questioned he lashes out. In this case, maybe he believed he was calm, but he's lost. "

[Texin]

77. It's not a matter of him "understanding his own outbursts", he can't CONTROL his outbursts.

He is a toxic stew of disorders. It's a fact, though, that stress - the kind of stress any POTUS faces day in and day out in the Oval Office - is deleterious to overall health. Every single POTUS in my lifetime aged more than a decade seemingly within the first eight months in office. President Obama aged physically in appearance by about twenty years within his first term (and he had a great many more crisis-type issues to deal with than tRump could even fathom, let alone tackle them.

Let's all pray that the stress kills him.

[smirkymonkey]

52. Is this only just occurring to them?

He's been on the decline for years.

[lpbk2713]

61. I have no doubt.

Trump doesn't occupy the same world the rest of us do.

[SayItLoud]

62. Pre-Dementia? Give me a break. Full on dementia. nt

[underpants]

65. "A few steps away from Howard Hughes territory "

I’ve posted that here numerous times over the last few years.

Just saying.

[ehrnst]

66. Close to? Pre? How about "in the throes of?" (nt)

[sandensea]

69. PRE dementia?

No, no. He's gone.

[JDC]

70. This is the escape clause that Republicans will use - if they do anything at all

Trump can escape and claim "legendary success and if only Democrats would not have blocked his historic agenda....blah blah blah..."


that would be a message Rs could get behind and maybe even gather some strength from. Saving face, and ridding themselves of dotard along the way, at least in the eyes of the sucker base.

[DeminPennswoods]

72. Just bats--t crazy, imho

nt

[crazytown]

75. Trump shows as many signs of a series of strokes.

When he was struggling to say 'origin' and kept saying 'orange', he stopped and you could see the fear.
I've seen that before. The fear of being trapped in your own mind. Following a stroke, a friend's vocabulary was restricted to about 100 words. One day he began to say 'he' instead of 'she'. He knew the difference all right but now could only say 'he'. The fear on Martin's face is something I will never forget.

This is not to say Trump is not suffering dementia as well.

[True Blue American]

79. Yes, we just

Dealt with a family member. Stroke affecting one side. His speech was garbled at first. But he bounced back with therapy.

Many times small strokes precede a major one.

[sprinkleeninow]

86. Recalling when * was on stage and called MS Tim Cook 'Tim APPLE'?

Not good.

[democratisphere]

76. What about the CURRENT psychopath part?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

78. And soon we'll find out people close to Yao Ming worry he might be tall. Along

with other "No Shit News".

[Polly Hennessey]

84. It's been "pre" for two years.

Time for it to go to full-blown. Just get him out of our existence. How much more must we suffer.

[joe_stampingbull]

87. dementia with malignant narcissism

sounds like a recipe for a catastrophic hell storm.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

90. Here's the Trump-Brokaw interview. It's from 1980. Trump was 33, and was articulate and coherent.

George Conway Retweeted

Here’s the Trump-Brokaw interview. It’s from 1980. Trump was 33, and was articulate and coherent, unlike today.

Link to tweet

[octoberlib]

92. Scarborough's mother had Alzheimer's.

If Donald Trump were your father, you would run, not walk, to a neurologist for an evaluation of his cognitive health. You don’t have to be a doctor to see something is very wrong. “He reminds me of Uncle Bruce in so many ways,” said my aunt, who nursed her brother through Alzheimer’s disease. Joe Scarborough, who has known Trump for years, said in 2017 that Trump's mental confusion reminded him of his mother, who had Alzheimer's for 10 years. “It's getting worse, and not a single person who works for him doesn’t know he has early signs of dementia,” he said of Trump last year on his MSNBC show.

To mental health professionals like me, the red flags are waving wildly. In January 2018, over 70 of us wrote a letter to the president’s physician, Dr. Ronny Jackson, urging him to administer a cognitive exam during the president’s physical because we had seen a marked deterioration in his verbal functioning, possibly due to cognitive decline.

In fact, Dr. Jackson did administer the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, a screening tool for dementia, and Trump passed. But while Trump bragged that this proved his superior intelligence, this 10-minute screening test, where one must identify a camel, draw a clock and repeat three numbers backwards, only ruled out full-blown dementia.


In Alzheimer’s, as language skills deteriorate, we see two types of tell-tale speech disorders, or paraphasias:Semantic paraphasia involves choosing the incorrect words. For instance, after Attorney General William Barr released a letter on the Mueller report, Trump said: “I hope they now go and take a look at the oranges, the oranges of that investigation, the beginnings of that investigation." Phonemic paraphasia, which is linked to the moderate to severe stages of Alzheimer’s, is described as "the substitution of a word with a nonword that preserves at least half of the segments and/or number of syllables of the intended word.” For example, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu becomes “Betanyahu,” big league becomes “bigly,” anonymous becomes “enenamas” or "anenomynous," renovation becomes “renoversh,” missiles become "mishiz," space capsule becomes “capsicle,” midterm elections become "midtowm" and "midturn" elections, and Christmas becomes “Chrissus.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/09/does-donald-trump-have-dementia-we-need-know-psychologist-column/3404007002/

[MFGsunny]

95. Horse pucky. NOTHING "pre" about MF45.

He is plain and simple a totally CORRUPT NARCISSIST with a side dish of psychopath.

Always was. Still is.

Watch that medication, OrangeTurd!

[demosincebirth]

97. No such thing as pre-dementia. It's like being a little pregnant.

[Progressive dog]

100. I don't want to see Trump's behavior explained,

I want Trump's power ended.
He remains the nasty and ignorant POS that he has always been.
There has never been a lie too big for Trump to tell. Trump is a psychopath.

[Skittles]

102. how would anyone be able to tell?

the man has been speaking gibberish for a long time and don't even get me started on how he looks

[The Blue Flower]

103. He is in the throes of dementia

Yesterday and today were clear demonstrations of it.

[Turbineguy]

104. He's

post-dementia.

[doc03]

105. Pre? Dementia He is several years into it IMO. nt

[Cha]

108. Can't understand why anyone

would think that! Especially those close to him..

We see it out here!

[lunasun]

109. Scary who may be running every thing for WH -Miller Bolton Pompeo Jared& JR or Pence

All deplorable

[karin_sj]

113. I totally believe this

All you have to do is look at older footage of him. It’s as obvious as can be. And this demented, narcissistic, damaged human being is the most powerful man in the world, and nefarious people with their own agendas, that don’t include service to the American people, taking advantage of him are running our country and ruining it in the process.

[jalan48]

116. So was Reagan and he still delivered what his handlers wanted. In some ways it's the perfect

President-as-tool. No tell-alls later on as the product expires on completion of term.

[NastyRiffraff]

117. I'd delete the "pre"

He's either fully into dementia or he's just plain nuts. Or both.