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(1,124 posts)
Sat May 25, 2019, 02:12 PM May 2019

Breaking News about Trump's "ultimate hypocrisy" I.M.H.O.

Trump’s Targeting of Intelligence Agencies Gains a Harder Edge
By Michael S. Schmidt and Julian E. Barnes
May 25, 2019

WASHINGTON — President Trump tried somewhat clumsily last year to revoke the security clearance of the former C.I.A. director who played a role in opening the Russia investigation. He then wanted to release classified documents to prove he was the target of a “witch hunt.”

Both attempts petered out, hampered by aides who slow-rolled the president and Justice Department officials who fought Mr. Trump, warning he was jeopardizing national security.

Mr. Trump took the highly unusual step on Thursday of granting Mr. Barr the power to declassify the most closely guarded secrets of the C.I.A. and the country’s 15 other intelligence agencies. Mr. Barr had asked for the authority to facilitate his review of the intelligence agencies’ involvement in the early stages of the Russia investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/25/us/politics/trump-intelligence-agencies.html


The ultimate hypocrisy:

While Trump refuses to reveal his tax-returns and the complete Mueller report, he is planning to reveal top-secrets of not only the CIA but also many other U.S. intelligence agencies.
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Breaking News about Trump's "ultimate hypocrisy" I.M.H.O. (Original Post) real Cannabis calm May 2019 OP
He's already violated national security twice. trev May 2019 #1
Barr is an idiot who will fare worse than Ghouliani soon enough BSdetect May 2019 #2
He's already sold them to his BFF, just needs to produce the info & this is the plan. lark May 2019 #3
They are Putin's two-man Fifth Column. nt ancianita May 2019 #4
With Putin, you can take the agent out of the KGB; but you can't take the KGB out of the agent real Cannabis calm May 2019 #11
Thanks for sharing your experience.I nevertheless think that 45 follows a timeline laid out by Putin ancianita May 2019 #14
barr is a fox news zombie. now imagine the crazy uncle fox news zombie but Kurt V. May 2019 #5
Doesn't this fit the "high crimes and misdemeanors" mark? pazzyanne May 2019 #6
I wonder how much he will share with Vladimir? They will alfredo May 2019 #7
Intel won't share anything that can compromise their sources. And Barr won't know, anyway. ancianita May 2019 #12
True. alfredo May 2019 #15
He will declassify enough sources and methods for Putin to round up and kill every Russian source... RockRaven May 2019 #8
We're not at war. Treason doesn't apply. eggplant May 2019 #9
Russia uses warfare terminology to describe their motives and actions, I'll take them at their word RockRaven May 2019 #10
We conduct a lot of ongoing business with Russia. eggplant May 2019 #19
By their own words, THEY are at war with US. RockRaven May 2019 #21
If somebody at Pearl Harbor was in league with the Japanese NewJeffCT May 2019 #13
Yes. eggplant May 2019 #18
the Constitution does apply Hermit-The-Prog May 2019 #16
Yes, it does. eggplant May 2019 #20
Why don't you bold the word "OR" in that quote? What follows is the relevant part... RockRaven May 2019 #22
+1 uponit7771 May 2019 #17

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
2. Barr is an idiot who will fare worse than Ghouliani soon enough
Sat May 25, 2019, 02:29 PM
May 2019

Putin's arms must be tired from all the puppet string pulling.

lark

(23,099 posts)
3. He's already sold them to his BFF, just needs to produce the info & this is the plan.
Sat May 25, 2019, 02:53 PM
May 2019

he'll be hurting our Intelligence forces in 2 ways, giving them to the enemy so they can take out any double agents and kill or misinform our agents, and twisting the information out of shape to use it to make yes be no and vice versa. I just hope they are as stupid about this as they were the previous release of information so it totally flops here. The part about Russia really concerns me the most and I believe is the real reason for the farce. I'm sure PUtin is coaching him on this.

real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
11. With Putin, you can take the agent out of the KGB; but you can't take the KGB out of the agent
Sat May 25, 2019, 08:15 PM
May 2019

Believe it or not, I had a top-secret clearance, in the U.S. military and understand the concept of NEED TO KNOW, which EVERY one of these agencies will evoke, when these political clowns (or traitors, Trump appointed to head the U.S. intelligence agencies) attempt to force agents to reveal secrets.

Also, believe it or not, long after my military service, I rented from a C.I.A. agent, who despised "W" Bush. He retired the equivalent of Colonial (Captain in the Navy.) We'd sit by the back-door of his mansion, where I rented the butler's quarters and drink beer. I was working at a radio station, at the time; but I've written and edited copy for other media companies. At the time "W" was president and my land-lord, friend also told me that if Bush reactivated him, he would go back to Guantanamo Bay. He served, during the Bay of Pigs invasion. In many ways, the CIA resembles the KGB, or whatever Putin calls them now. "You can take the agent out of the CIA, but you can't take the CIA out of the agent."

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Essentially, Trump double-crossed Putin, by not keeping his word. Now, the fool has double-crossed the CIA and other more dangerous agencies, which will obtain retribution.

The link leads to a Youtube video of a Rolling Stones performance, which was not at all typical. Mick Jagger decided to pay the Hell's Angels (to conduct security) in beer! His poor decision caused serious consequences, including deaths at the Altamont Festival, in 1969.
"I shined the light on who killed the Kennedy's, when after all it was you and me."

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
14. Thanks for sharing your experience.I nevertheless think that 45 follows a timeline laid out by Putin
Sat May 25, 2019, 09:58 PM
May 2019

Putin has his personal and beloved Hells' Angels, too, called the Black Wolves, who stormed their cycles into Ukraine's capital after Russia's invasion was done.

45, as Putin's tool, doesn't care, or envision, what his "considerations" will do to this republic as he drives public fear, diminishes people's will to resist, to stay honest or focused. He probably gets instructions about when and how the Russians get hold of our Intel agencies' intel.

But. Putin, with his "Eurasian Project" goals of weakening the West, has that vision figured out. Questions about where 45's decisions and "considerations" come from get more apparent every day.

Today we get reports that Trump is "considering" "deputizing" the military as nationwide police. It doesn't matter that such a move could be done. It's flinging fear of his power around. He feeds the armed right wing's imaginations. He throws shit out there to see what gets media attention, fact or not.

Let's say the US military IS ordered to act as "deputies" for the CiC. Military brass remembers that every single military member has a family in the US; and military brass can refuse any order they believe is counter to the interests of the country, under the military uniform code of justice. They cannot get rid of their CiC, but we civilian Americans can.

The Intel agencies and military are made up of Americans, not cynics used to being lied to and hoaxed over the way American media, Ukrainians and Russians have been. So my theory is that nothing will reach 45 that could hurt intel agencies' functioning. Yet.

How long Trump swings "considerations" and decisions like a wrecking ball at Putin's "suggestion" -- weakening our DOJ; stigmatizing our FBI law enforcement's mission to assess security threats; declassifying all three letter agencies' Intel and handing intel over to his Russian boss; warning that media publications of Intelligence from those agencies is treason -- the clearest and most present danger that Americans need to consider is how much longer this government can withstand him. It can't be much longer, and no one wants to wait to see if 2020 is rigged.

What's going on with destabilizing the UK through Brexit, past EU and US hacks, can further their digital successes in the our 2020 vote counts. Putin's GRU digitally shut down Estonia; their "politics of eternity" means they'll never stop their "hybrid" insurgencies on the West.

If Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg don't closely monitor 45 (not just his Kremlin boss) who would undermine American democracy and exploit their platforms to do it, they're complicit in his being Putin's tool.

pazzyanne

(6,552 posts)
6. Doesn't this fit the "high crimes and misdemeanors" mark?
Sat May 25, 2019, 04:34 PM
May 2019

Making secret intel public seems to go against the reason Barr wrote his 4 page "summary" of the Mueller Report. I am so-o-o-o over this illegal crap of putting our nation is danger. When are republicans going to start standing up for our nation instead of Comrade Combover?

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
7. I wonder how much he will share with Vladimir? They will
Sat May 25, 2019, 04:37 PM
May 2019

try to find wrong doing, and if none is found they will make it up.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
8. He will declassify enough sources and methods for Putin to round up and kill every Russian source...
Sat May 25, 2019, 04:38 PM
May 2019

This will be treason (and I am NOT one to throw that term around lightly), full-stop, right out in the open, by and at the direction of the POTUS. Barr is as immoral as Trump, and that is saying something...

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
10. Russia uses warfare terminology to describe their motives and actions, I'll take them at their word
Sat May 25, 2019, 05:36 PM
May 2019

on that one issue.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
19. We conduct a lot of ongoing business with Russia.
Sun May 26, 2019, 12:39 AM
May 2019

It is hard to argue that we are at war with them.

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
21. By their own words, THEY are at war with US.
Sun May 26, 2019, 01:05 AM
May 2019

And when it comes to warfare, the Symmetric Property of Equality applies.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
13. If somebody at Pearl Harbor was in league with the Japanese
Sat May 25, 2019, 09:29 PM
May 2019

would that have been considered an act of treason since we weren't technically at war with Japan on December 7, 1941?

Trump and his team aided and abetted Russian attacks on America. It may not have been as immediately devastating as Pearl Harbor, but the long-term effects can potentially be disastrous as well

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
18. Yes.
Sun May 26, 2019, 12:37 AM
May 2019

It would be considered "levying war" as it would have been part of (in league with) the initial attack.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,343 posts)
16. the Constitution does apply
Sat May 25, 2019, 10:23 PM
May 2019

The Constitution defines treason without referring to war. It leaves to Congress to declare the penalty for treason and Congress has only done so for situations involving hostilities governed by rules of war.

Trump has committed treason, as defined by the U.S. Constitution. We just don't seem to have a punishment declared for his brand of treason.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii#section3

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
20. Yes, it does.
Sun May 26, 2019, 12:42 AM
May 2019

"shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

It is difficult to call Russia a declared enemy. We do a lot of ongoing business with them. We pay them to send our astronauts to the ISS, for example. Would we do that with an "enemy"?

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
22. Why don't you bold the word "OR" in that quote? What follows is the relevant part...
Sun May 26, 2019, 01:09 AM
May 2019

"adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort"

Trump (and soon Barr, according to recent reports of impending declassifications at his direction) are adhering to our enemy (as determined by Russia's own declarations on the matter), and giving them aid and comfort.

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