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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor all you younsters here on DU---Journey and Lynyrd Skynyrd---
are not really Journey and Lynyrd Skynyrd without their lead singers.
In 1977 Ronnie Van Zant--lead singer and writer for LS was killed in a plane crash.
In 1998, Journey replaced Steve Perry, which in hindsight was pretty fucking stupid.
Both bands without their lead singers were never the same.
Kind of like Queen losing Freddie.
So--- The RNC basically hired two bands---LS backed out at the last minute, that basically are washed up.
spanone
(135,831 posts)bwaahahahahahahaa
That's the phrase I was searching for. Perfect.
500 grand for Journey without Steve Perry. I know the kid they replaced him with is pretty good---but he's a copycat.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)when some of us went to events.
trumad
(41,692 posts)still do--- the old school stuff.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)taterguy
(29,582 posts)Some of the old Skynyrd songs were some of the most righteous protest songs ever written, but that gets forgotten thanks to Free Bird and all those stupid Confederate flags.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)R. P. McMurphy
(834 posts)Ronnie Van Zant was wearing a "Carter - Yes!" t-shirt from the 1976 presidential election. I know that the guys in the current lineup are right-wingers but I always thought that Ronnie was a democrat. He had several songs with blue-collar/working man references.
Does anyone know what his politics were? I really liked them back then and hope that Ronnie was a man of the people.
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Nevermind. Taterguy posted the answer while I was writing my post. Thanks Taterguy.
monmouth
(21,078 posts)CabCurious
(954 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)Two feets they come a creepin'
Like a black cat do
And two bodies are layin' naked
Creeper think he got nothin' to lose
So he creeps into this house, yeah
And unlocks the door
And as a man's reaching for his trousers
Shoots him full of .38 holes
(Chorus)
Mr.Saturday night special
Got a barrel that's blue and cold
Ain't no good for nothin'
But put a man six feet in a hole
Big Jim's been drinkin' whiskey
And playing poker on a losin' night
And pretty soon, Big Jim starts a thinkin'
Somebody been cheatin' and lyin'
So Big Jim commences to fightin'
I wouldn't tell you no lie
And Big Jim done pull his pistol
Shot his friend right between the eyes
(Chorus)
Oooh Saturday night special...
For twenty dollars you can buy yourself one too...
Oooh let me tell you all about it...
Well hand guns are made for killin'
They ain't no good for nothin' else
And if you like to drink your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why don't we dump 'em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some ole fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me
(Chorus)
Ooooh it's a Saturday night special
And I'd like to tell you what you can do with it too...
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Three Steps", of and course "Boo-ing" the governor in "Sweet Home Alabama"
"However, the band had serious reservations about the label they were tagged with. Particularly troubling was the Confederate flag that often hung behind the stage. In 1975, Van Zant mused, That was strictly an MCA gimmick to start us off with some label. It was useful at first, but by now its embarrassing except in Europe, where they really like all that stuff because they think its macho American. The stars and bars that eventually began popping up in the bands crowds became more than embarrassing. It was bad enough to be portrayed as ignorant hayseeds. It was entirely another to be categorized as racist."
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/jammin/lynyrd.htm
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)sadbear
(4,340 posts)Yeah, I know he went solo, but I believe he said he hadn't reunited with Journey because he can't bring it anymore.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)hatrack
(59,585 posts)"seal torture"
Sure wish I'd said that!
Romulox
(25,960 posts)I really felt for him on a human level. Still hate his music, though!
JI7
(89,249 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)only to replace him with a sound-alike.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)a powerful emetic. Bleagh.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Journey songs sung by Steve Perry on early Journey albums in order to increase my vocal abilities.
First of all, I wanna say that I am not a Journey fan. I like 3 songs by Journey, and that's all, and regard most of their stuff as formulaic commercial pop schlock. But that's just my taste speaking.
But I recognize that Steve Perry had a lot natural talent and technical ability. Singing is a complex endeavor, and learning to control all the mechanisms in your chest, throat and head in order to actually really sing is not all that easy.
Timbre is the quality, or "color", of tone, and the quality of tone is a matter of opinion. Apparently, you don't like the timbre of Steve Perry's voice. Fair enough. Some people hate Pavarotti's timbre, or the timbres of Aretha Franklin, Adele, Sam Cooke, Bill Medley, Ella Fitzgerald, Frank Sinatra, Robert Plant, Pink, Freddie Mercury etc.
But Steve Perry was a very talented vocalist.
His vocal tonal range is very broad, and high for a male; I believe that it spans 4 octaves. This is extraordinary, and this is not a matter of opinion, a 4 octave span with tonal control is not a common vocal ability.
He slips from from full voice into falsetto and back to full voice very smoothly, and at times the timbre of his falsetto is difficult to distinguish from his full voice.
The power of his voice is also extraordinary, his breathing and lung capacity are to die for, and his control (when his voice was not fried from touring) was pretty awesome.
Try singing Don't Stop Believin' along with the recorded song, in the same key and octave that Steve Perry sings it, and you may get a new respect at least for his natural and technical ability. you may also get a sinus headache from trying to hit the high notes. And many of his songs are much more difficult vocal challenges than Don't Stop Believin'.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)yes perhaps they may not have had such commercial success, but they really did sell out.
come on...lovin, touchin, squeezin?
really?
how many verses of na na na na na can one take?
Paladin
(28,255 posts)Perry's every bit as talented as Ted Nugent.......
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)schmaltz. Same thing happened with REO Speedwagon and Kevin Cronin. Many people don't realize Perry was not a founding member of Journey.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)what were they thinking????
The great guitar rock suffered as vocals became the focus.
Hell, I can't understand half the words of China Grove, but I still love it.
tpohil80
(1 post)ie. Hey Jude
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I did like Steve Perry though. He did have a great voice. At least it was not computer generated. My husband plays in a cover band and some corny 80's music is part of his set list, especially "Don't Stop Believin". That and Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me".
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)They were a better band before he joined.
I hate Journey.
Skynyrd I like.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)good voice, but Journey music was too schlocky and pop for me. Still, I miss the days of rock bands having GOOD lead singers--people who could at least carry a tune. Hell, I miss rock bands, period. Skynyrd--my favorite is still "Tuesday's Gone", always will be. Nice piano. The rest of their songs are overplayed.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)I hated that I used to like their music. I thought maybe I didn't understand their lyrics. Thanks for the clarification.
Life is good.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... to Journey fans in their grief of having their favorite band sell out even more than they did in the first place... I have always hated corporate rock right down to the marrow of my bones for everything it represents. However, some people do like Journey and I feel badly for them.
Songcrafting is an ancient and painstaking art... this is what pop culture of today has reduced it to...
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)If I have to listen to Free Bird one more time I'm gonna PUKE. I can't Chaaaaannnnnge. Talk about repetitive shit. BORING.
T Roosevelt
(4,105 posts)And can you believe J Geils is touring without Peter Wolf? WTF?
FSogol
(45,484 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)These are musicians, are they supposed to quit? None of these bands claim to be all original members, they aren't bilking anyone and people know what they are paying to see.
People are very quick to shit on things they only see one side of. I am a roadie. I have been touring for more years than most. Do people have any idea how many people have jobs because Journey, Skynyrd, Leppard, Styx, and their ilk are on the road?
I am on a tour right now. We play amphitheaters. We have a crew of around 50 including management. In each city we enter we hire 40-50 local hands every day. Not to mention venue management, security, vendors, ticket sellers, promoters, bus and truck drivers, the list goes on and on.
I for one am damn glad to see bands on the road. Whether or not they are "all original", and whether or not I care for their music, they are out there creating something. They aren't taking they are giving, and if Journey wants to take half a million dollars from the GOP and spread it around to their staff, more power to them.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and always will.