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EVIDENCE RUSSIA TIPPED ELECTION FOR TRUMP STAGGERING, SAYS FORMER U.S. INTEL CHIEF JAMES CLAPPER
To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.
https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-russia-tipped-election-trump-staggering-says-former-us-intel-chief-940086?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
bamagal62
(3,257 posts)I said this from the get-go...I was living in PA at the time. The votes were changed/hacked. I'm sure of it.
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)socks in need of constant washing? I'm puzzled by your frequent use of "wash socks"?
leanforward
(1,076 posts)The russians are trying everything to increase their ROI with that mob organization.
MBS
(9,688 posts)He's a level-headed, no-drama kind of guy. Which makes his fact-based conclusions even more compelling.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)If they're scared, I'm for sure scared.
At the end of Clapper's talk, a psychiatrist asked him, "I've heard that the CIA., like other intelligence agencies, draws psychological profiles of foreign leaders. If you were a foreign intelligence agent drawing a profile of Trump, how would you describe him?"
Clapper gave a little chuckle, then paused, noting that he'd already been on the receiving end of one of MF45's tweets earlier that day, and wasn't looking forward to getting more of them that day; and you could see he was trying to restrain himself from unloading on the audience exactly what he thought. He finally came up with this: "I'd focus on his unpredictability."
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)I wonder what they think of the Republican Party giving him a pass.
And I've wondered the same thing.
(Also, I wonder if they've got specific answers as to exactly why Barr, Graham, McConnell, and others have each gone all in to shamelessly enabling Trump, national security, democracy, and the Constitution be damned).
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)What other reason would there be for them to literally go along with a plan to change the world order.
What an unbelievable situation we're in.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Grasswire2
(13,569 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Top of ticket helps the Senate races too. And many Senate races were close.
All the GOP judicial confirmations are illegitimate. Not just the nominations, also the confirmation votes. Plus the tax cut bill - it was and is illegitimate. It was signed by an illegitimate president and approved in the Senate by illegitimate Senators.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Impeach Trump.
Impeach Toomey.
Impeach Blunt.
Impeach Johnson.
Impeach Rick Scott (who also stole his Senate seat via voter suppression).
Impeach DeSantis and Stacey Abrams' opponent.
Put the offenders who committed crimes in jail.
The Republicans are covering this up because they are afraid. We should not be afraid. We should be telling everyone we know that the president is illegimate and his judges need to be un-done.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)A meticulous analysis of online activity during the 2016 campaign makes a powerful case that targeted cyberattacks by hackers and trolls were decisive.
By Jane MayerSeptember 24, 2018
Politicians may be too timid to explore the subject, but a new book from, of all places, Oxford University Press promises to be incendiary. Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a PresidentWhat We Dont, Cant, and Do Know, by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to askand even attempts to answerwhether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trumps victory.
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)And Trump is delivering for Putin.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)And we are friends with them? Huh? Shouldn't we be punishing them? This is an act of war (cyber war). Hillary Clinton said so on her book tour and so have a zillion others. She is our rightful POTUS!
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)I saw him on the Primary Debates and I said this guy is a joke. I knew the only way he could win would be by election fraud. And sure enough, that's what did it for him.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)2000? This is what Democratic Leadership said back in 2000..."We will assure voters that this will never happen again" Well it happen again..in 2004 Now even when the Democrats regained the Senate Majority and the House majority in 2006 they did nothing to protect out elections from fraud and outright theft.
They allowed the Republicans to run all over us especially in the Senate..
hughee99
(16,113 posts)People need to see the proof of all the votes that changed as a result of Russian efforts and how they went about changing those votes.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)She was visibly shaken. Grassly looked disturbed as well. Im starting to think theyve known for a while.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I cant imagine hes being kept in the loop since he left.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)We havent heard a peep about the counter intelligence investigation.
Botany
(70,501 posts)251 PROVEN CONTACTS between the Trump Campaign and Russia.
https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/
Call it treason, conspiracy, collusion, fraud, cheating, or the rat fucking of America but
the proof is out there and it is overwhelming.
We need to impeach his ass and then let the republicans in the senate go ahead and stand
shoulder to shoulder with that traitor.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Kaiserguy
(740 posts)to tell America. The GOP would not see power again for a long time and they know it and to them power is everything. As for the media it knows that if the GOP goes down in flames so does it profit. With the GOP dead there is very little need for our side to spend big money on elections. The rich of course don't want the cat let out of the bag the last thing they want is us in power long term.
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)of talk radio repetition and the russians figured out a decade ago how to piggyback it.
more valuable than compromising con senators is to compromise the talk radio blowhard they're all afraid to contradict
meanwhile the mueller report shows 5 refs to hannity and then redacts his name between graff and hawker due to "harm to ongoing matter"
and who fed limbaugh the material he used to create the predicate for the 'deeep state coup' that's going to get tto the point where the cons are going to say "if you bring in don jr we're going to bring in barack obama"
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)Nothing to see here folks!
Botany
(70,501 posts)"Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a Trump win. To conclude otherwise stretches logic, common sense and credulity to the breaking point. Less than eighty thousand votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the Russians.
The republicans and the PTB put back doors into our voting systems that allowed for the tampering of the
data w/out leaving any "footprints" and Russia took full advantage of those designed in weak spots. However
Russia could not have done this without inside help so Paul Manafort, Brad Parscale, and the Mercers
take a bow.
UTUSN
(70,686 posts)triron
(22,001 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Flipping a half dozen votes in each precinct probably did the trick.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)in the election to help trump beat Clinton. It's why Trump rally hates the topic. If the Russians really swung the election for Trump, it means his entire presidency is illegitimate, and the Republican-majority Congress failed in their sworn duty to protect the country from foreign interference. Treason most foul!
Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)WHY did Putin want Trump in the White House?
Nitram
(22,794 posts)putty in the hands of someone like Putin. Putin probably remind him of his Daddy, who he feared and never stopped trying to impress. Trump was also deeply in debt and had reached a point where banks would no longer lend to him. Perfect target for an ex-KGB officer.
Initech
(100,068 posts)Who paid him? And for what purpose?
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)colleagues from foreign cyberattack. The Republicans, as hyperpartisans, would become the GRU and FSB means for inserting Putin's asset into the presidency.
In September, McConnell listened to the heads of American intel agencies report on the Russian cyberinsurgency. He clearly expressed his doubts as to their veracity.
Intel agencies said, in statements later made public, "Russia's goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Sec. Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."
McConnell made it known to Obama and his party that Republicans would treat the defense of the US from Russian cyberwar as an effort to help Hillary Clinton. At that point, Russia had been at work in the US for more than a year, setting up social media accounts, etc. After McConnell categorized the Russian attack as partisan politics, Putin's "active measures" expanded.
The Russian bot offensive took off. It's been an eye opener to find out who had more influence over the Republican Party -- its human leaders or Russian robots. One example is Texas. The fake account posing as the Texas Republicans on Facebook had more members than the actual Republican Party of Texas.
For Republicans, it's been Win At Any Cost. The desire for power and money turned Republicans from portraying Russia as a national security threat to being the secret ally that Paul Ryan said should be kept "in the family."
Their Win At All Cost" formula just followed Putin's playbook. Now even Republican voters see the cost.
They feel trapped, however, and will probably die on that hill.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I so want this bastard out of office.
ancianita
(36,053 posts)As you know, 45 made McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, secretary of transportation, which can't hurt her father's business.
Initech
(100,068 posts)ancianita
(36,053 posts)quo pro part is 45's gift to McConnell for continued help with Putie's agenda. Elaine's quid pro quo part is helping dad and family get richer.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Which means routers on the internet are involved - and the Russians are proficient at hacking these - allowing them to either change the voting results, or reach into the machines and use malware to alter official results.
Very hard to detect when it's done - and certainly not something analyzed and investigated by the Mueller probe.
Bear in mind that 23 of 25 state exit polls for the 2016 Presidential election skewed in favor of Trump over the margin of error - which theoretically has the same odds as flipping a coin and getting heads 23 out of 25 times - pretty astronomical indeed.
Find exactly how it could have been done (and could easily be done again) here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/magazine/the-myth-of-the-hacker-proof-voting-machine.html
onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)in 2016.
I'm going to my grave knowing that there was a coup.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)For years DU talked about bot and troll farms and misinformation as a problem for our elections.
I mostly expected these influences from Koch/Mercer types and not the Russians.
But Russians showed bad actors how to do this and we have to be prepared to deal with it.
I don't have any answers, but our problem is much larger than just the Russians.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Just like he's a illegitimate business man. He's a career criminal because he wasn't smart enough to be successful unless he was corrupt. He was compromised because he's probably into debt to putin and russians probably into the billions, and has no way out of it with putin having that and personal activities he has using to blackmail him with. Just now a matter of time before its all exposed on trump, and many others involved.
karin_sj
(808 posts)The article is from September of last year and here we are, wondering whether or not the orange idiot will be re-elected in 2020. I really thought he'd be on his way out after the release of the Mueller report.
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)They only want a just & fair system when the dems are in control. When the repubs are at the helm, it's an all out power grab, fuck the rules & who cares who you have to screw to get it. I have family/friends who are just fine with that, but would whine louder than all the noise in the universe if our side pulled that shit. Their blatant hypocrisy has worn me down to the point I don't communicate or associate with them anymore.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... political party can attach themselves to major outlets like FAUX.
We need something to detach them
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Everyone knows Russian lies helped trump, but a lot of folks just don't care.
Everyone knows Comey's announcement a week or so before the election helped trump. Everyone knows supposed Democrats that decided to vote directly or indirectly for trump because they were ticked about their candidate losing in the primaries, helped trump.
None of that matters at this point unless someone has a video of trump -- or one of his family or very close advisors -- paying Putin or other Russians for help. Even if votes were changed -- which I doubt -- we still need proof trump was directly involved for enough GOPers to take notice.
We need to be ready to counter whatever happens in 2020.
Kerry lost in 2004, because we couldn't counter the GOPer Swiftboaters and Bin Laden's video threat the Friday before the election.
We should have been prepared to counter Comey's announcement. We should have been ready to counter voter protests over a losing primary candidate. We should have countered Russian lies.
Obviously, we need to beef up voter security for 2020, but blaming all this on Russians -- without direct evidence trump was involved -- isn't going to get us anywhere. Even going after trump for obstruction of Muellers' investigation is going to be tough after Mueller's wishy/washy report. Hope's that trump gets indicted after he leaves office, doesn't really help us either in 2020.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)It would be a lot more impressive if Newsweek published something like this now - post-Mueller report.